Jeremiah Chapter 40: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:20] Bible for the very first time. We grew up without religion and wanted to know what all the fuss was

[00:01:25] about. Well, what did we learn so far? That God is a dick and apparently some people believe in

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[00:01:45] read the Bible. Yeah let's get to it. Husband, wife, do you remember what happened yesterday and

[00:01:54] where the hell we are today? Well, we actually read it earlier today. Well we read it yesterday but

[00:02:00] we released it today and this one's going out later than we had liked so but yesterday today whatever

[00:02:08] we read Jeremiah chapter 39. Correct. And in that episode I believe Kings Edakaya had his eyes

[00:02:16] gouged out by King Nebuchadnezzar because you know they got they caught him. Because that's how you

[00:02:22] do? Yeah he was told he's going to get screwed over so he did and then let's see Jeremiah

[00:02:32] got told he was going to you guys treat you like kind of like stately you know?

[00:02:37] Kind of like how you would treat somebody who's on your ear. Yeah, yeah right yeah and on top of

[00:02:44] that the guy that tried to help him out and like rescue him out of the cistern and all that the

[00:02:48] bed and the leg. Yeah he got also treated well by Nebuchadnezzar. Curious or incurious sir?

[00:02:57] It is. It solidified my ideas with regard to him being a double agent yeah for sure.

[00:03:04] The important thing to note in that chapter is that Jerusalem got breached and went down.

[00:03:10] Yeah and the other important note is that that being the case this is the beginning of the Babylonian

[00:03:16] exile. Right. So those are the two important factors as far as timelines go and things like that

[00:03:22] but the storyline the double agent shit it's I'm loving it. It's so good. It is great shit.

[00:03:30] It really needs to be some kind of Netflix series. It really does. This is like fan-fix something

[00:03:36] yeah this is amazing. Yeah I love it. All right so that was Jeremiah chapter 39. Sure

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[00:05:32] all right we are hopping into Jeremiah chapter 40 okay and just a quick note before we hop

[00:05:38] into the chapter oh boy it's not what you think it is no no no um this chapter is part of that

[00:05:44] narrative section consisting of chapters 37 to 44 oh okay so we are in story land sure but it's

[00:05:51] not forget got it okay yep all right so it's not a different chapter in the um not that I could

[00:05:58] find not that it was noted that seems very odd to me I didn't see that it was listed separately

[00:06:06] so I'm just going with it all right I'm calling BS on this but okay the word came the word or

[00:06:13] I'm sorry the word that came the word that came okay Jeremiah from the Lord after Nebuchadnezzat no wrong

[00:06:22] wrong the other Nebuchadnezzaradan okay sorry my brain was just like it says Nebuchadnezzat is sure

[00:06:29] yeah you know can either yeah right um so let me start that sentence over yeah yeah the word that came

[00:06:35] to Jeremiah from the Lord after nebuchadnezzaradan the captain of the guard had let him go from Rama

[00:06:43] when he had taken him bound and chains among all who were carried away captive from Jerusalem to Judah

[00:06:50] uh huh who were carried away captive to Babylon and that's the end of the sentence oh that's a really

[00:06:57] weird sentence it's not a sentence it's an intro actually oh it reads as a it's set up as a

[00:07:04] sentence that's verse one okay it's like I am about to be a sentence but until you get to the end

[00:07:09] of this you won't know it's not a sentence and that it is actually just a title is type thing right

[00:07:15] that was the period yeah okay yeah okay and the captain of the guard took Jeremiah and said to him

[00:07:22] the Lord your God has pronounced this doom on this place now the Lord has brought it boom he brought

[00:07:29] the boom and has just has done just as he said whoa wait wait the captain of the guard said this

[00:07:35] yeah wait now the captain of the guard is speaking for the Lord the captain of the guard no the captain

[00:07:40] of the guard isn't speaking for the Lord the captain of the guard is like man your God brought this

[00:07:47] but he's saying this to Jeremiah right Jeremiah is literally the one that was telling everybody yeah

[00:07:52] that God was gonna bring this so clearly um we're supposed to believe that uh the captain of the guard

[00:07:58] is one of two things okay either dumb that's not what I was gonna say but you're probably right no he's

[00:08:05] either um really really impressed like wow your God is awesome and he did this stuff yeah or which

[00:08:14] I never believe when they say that people outside of the religion are impressed with their God

[00:08:19] right right yeah no yeah never talked about that before that right so so we're supposed to believe

[00:08:25] either that or that um more likely he was somebody who was already familiar with Jeremiah and they

[00:08:36] had already maybe he was like Jeremiah's handler right like as the double agent yes that's what I'm

[00:08:41] saying like they probably and he's like damn this shit happened whoa right and then Jeremiah

[00:08:48] rewrote that to be like damn your God brought this yeah you know what I'm saying like I think it's

[00:08:54] that I think Jeremiah just like tooting his own horn and saying how other people were like he's like

[00:09:00] other people totally said the same thing I said yeah other people were so impressed with me God

[00:09:07] I mean God yeah yeah okay so the captain of the guard took Jeremiah and said to him whoa the

[00:09:14] Lord your God is pronounced this doom on this place now the Lord has brought it and has done just

[00:09:19] as he said just as you said he said right yeah whatever you Jeremiah let's not mince word we're

[00:09:25] talking to right because you people have sinned against the Lord you know the Lord that I don't

[00:09:30] fucking believe in because you people who follow a different God than I do sinned against your

[00:09:36] your God he who I don't give a shit about is punishing you yeah no this conversation never took

[00:09:43] place I'm just here to tell you and anyway since you guys sinned against the Lord and you have not

[00:09:49] obeyed his voice therefore this thing has come upon you and now look I free you this day from

[00:09:56] the chains that were on your hand okay you know because your king fucking told you to do yes right

[00:10:02] me if it seems good to you to come with me to Babylon come and I will look after you the alternative is

[00:10:10] but if this is where I'm saying that Jeremiah gets a really really he gets treated really well yeah okay

[00:10:17] but if it seems wrong for you to come with me to Babylon remain here so he gets a choice wow he

[00:10:22] can stay with the remnants that got left behind or he can go to Babylon and be looked after by

[00:10:28] the head of the guard yeah where he would probably be treated well obviously the love of the

[00:10:34] amount of his chains shit so like ordered by the leader of their people I mean he doesn't get

[00:10:40] much better than that by name right yeah yeah so the guard is like giving him the choice because

[00:10:47] the guards in charge of him the guards like you can come or go either way it's time whichever

[00:10:52] you think is better you get you get a pass yeah you you get to choose right nobody else just you

[00:10:57] right see maybe a bed malec right I don't know I don't know see all the land is before you

[00:11:04] wherever it seems good and convenient for you to go go there so he's like the whole world is yours

[00:11:12] yeah decide what you want to do with it thanks for playing on team Babylon and you're you're

[00:11:18] free to go man yeah right okay now while Jeremiah had not yet gone back never Zeradhan sorry yeah yeah

[00:11:27] yeah chicken my brain sure Nebius Zeradhan said go back to get a liar the son of a hecom the son of

[00:11:34] Shafan whom the king of Babylon has made governor over the cities of Judah and dwell with him

[00:11:40] among the people or you know go wherever it seems convenient for you to go so the captain of the

[00:11:46] guard gave him rations and a gift and let him go wow okay a gift even yeah damn um so in other um

[00:11:57] translations it says rations and supplies okay all right sure yeah also um let me read one more

[00:12:05] verse I do like the gift idea though because of the day double agent stuff yeah I'm just saying like

[00:12:09] no I payment in and full yes you are gold you are good to go then Jeremiah went to get a

[00:12:16] liar the son of a hecom to misspa and dwelt with him among the people who were left in the land okay

[00:12:23] yeah so let me read you some notes that I have now sure okay so get a liar was the son of a hecom

[00:12:29] as we said right the son of Shafan who was Josiah's secretary and he's the one that carried the

[00:12:36] newly found scroll to the king way back when okay remember that um the newly found scroll there was

[00:12:43] a newly found scroll when he like found some uh uh word of god stuff okay and then Josiah was

[00:12:53] like cool because he was one of the good kings sure yeah only they I do kind of remember something

[00:12:59] like that but only vaguely right so so hecom so these are all like god people okay talking about

[00:13:06] them okay a hecom was part of the delegation that Josiah sent to the prophet as holda he also

[00:13:14] offered protection to Jeremiah after he had preached the temple sermon so these people were all

[00:13:20] in good graces with Jeremiah and Jeremiah was in good graces with them got it okay and these were

[00:13:25] people of higher status sure yeah yeah in appointing get a liar it was a parent that never could

[00:13:33] nether no longer trusted the men of the house of David so he chose a man who had administrative

[00:13:40] experience but was not of the royal line got it and also might I suggest people who had been

[00:13:49] probably helping to bring Babylon in right yeah these people were all on Jeremiah's side and Jeremiah

[00:14:00] was on um Babylon's side yeah so I just have to believe that there was like this cabal and that

[00:14:08] there was a whole coup that happened and so it feels that way never could nether is like giving

[00:14:15] chart giving back the land to the people that he handplucked yeah you know who had helped him right okay

[00:14:22] so Jeremiah then lived among the poorest and most wretched of the land except for the people

[00:14:28] that were in charge that they was actually staying with right but he stayed with those who were not

[00:14:32] sent to Babylon right okay yeah the great bulk of these Judeans were of the underprivileged classes

[00:14:39] but there were others including some royal princesses as well as remnants of the Judean army who may

[00:14:46] have been engaged in guerrilla activity against the Chaldeans wow that's kind of interesting yeah I

[00:14:52] I'll you don't really think of that when you're thinking of biblical times like you know guerrilla

[00:14:58] activity yeah guerrilla warfare and stuff like that that's very interesting like underground but

[00:15:03] that would describe a lot of stuff that yeah I would describe a lot of the stuff earlier in the Bible

[00:15:07] when like the um that came the nights were not ever completely destroyed yeah and they just kept

[00:15:13] being there yeah like they were obviously engaged in some sort of like guerrilla warfare and like

[00:15:18] right running over here to stay alive and then going over there and whatever you know hiding out

[00:15:23] in somebody's attic yeah sure yeah yeah yeah so yeah I just thought that was kind of yeah right

[00:15:30] I had no idea and I wonder how they felt about I wonder how those guerrilla warfare people

[00:15:34] felt about like people like Jeremiah and you know all these people that stayed to run the kingdom for

[00:15:41] yeah never measure right yeah yeah yeah interestate yeah and when all the captains of the armies

[00:15:47] who were in the fields they and their men heard that the king of Babylon had made get a liar the

[00:15:52] son of a heathgum governor in the land and had committed to him men women and children and the

[00:15:58] poorest of the land who had not been carried away captive to Babylon then they came to get a liar

[00:16:05] at Mesba ish male the so call me ish male ish male the son of Nathaniah Jo Han I'm sorry

[00:16:18] okay Jo Han in and Jonathan the sons of Kareya so Reya the son of Tannumeth the sons of Efi

[00:16:28] the Natofaite and Jezaniah the son of Mayah Chathite they and their men okay yeah

[00:16:37] and get a liar the son of a heathgum the son of Shafan took an oath before them and their men saying

[00:16:45] do not be afraid to serve the Chaldeans dwell in the land and serve the king of Babylon

[00:16:51] and it shall be well with you okay as for me I will indeed dwell at Mesba and serve the Chaldeans

[00:16:59] who come to us but you gather wine and summer fruit and oil put them in your vessels and dwell

[00:17:05] in your cities that you have taken okay yeah yeah yeah likewise when all the Jews who were in Moab

[00:17:13] among the Ammonites in Edom who were in all the countries heard that the king of Babylon had left

[00:17:20] a remnant of Judah and that he had set over them get a liar the son of a heathgum the son of Shafan

[00:17:27] then all the Jews returned out of all places where they had been driven and came to the land of Judah

[00:17:34] to get a liar at Mesba and gathered wine and summer fruit in abundance okay so I guess they

[00:17:42] were like all of that be or whatever but that doesn't make any like it sounds like the return to Judah

[00:17:48] right but I know it wasn't because that was 70 years down the line yeah so this is some other return

[00:17:55] to Judah or I'm interested in right what that meant exactly I guess but like I guess it's like they

[00:18:02] were saying okay so Babylon is letting some of us live now that they've conquered Jerusalem and

[00:18:09] burned it down yeah they're letting the rest of us live and they're saying and they put people that

[00:18:15] we know in charge right I guess it's safe to come out of hiding and come okay over here so like

[00:18:22] maybe the people out in the countryside and stuff like that were like yeah well let's go move

[00:18:27] into the city there's plenty of room now right that's rude all right but things about to get dark

[00:18:34] okay yeah moreover Johanna hand the son of Kareya and all the captains of the forces that were in

[00:18:41] the fields came to get a liar at Mesba and said to him do you certainly know that they all

[00:18:48] list the king of the Ammonites has sent Ishmael the son of Nethanaya to murder you wow right

[00:18:56] this is quick to get back to the whole you know intrigue yeah yeah but get a liar the son of a hecom

[00:19:03] did not believe them he was like nah no way why wouldn't you but whatever nobody would try to murder me

[00:19:11] right okay all right I'm a good guy who would want to murder me I mean you were installed by the enemy

[00:19:17] for so you know then Johanna hand the son of Kareya spoke secretly to get a liar in Mesba

[00:19:25] saying let me go please and I will kill Ishmael the son of Nethanaya and no one will know it why

[00:19:32] should he murder you so that all the Jews who are gathered to you would be scattered and the

[00:19:36] remnant in Judah parish but get a liar the son of a hecom said to Johanna hand the son of Kareya

[00:19:43] Kareya you shall not do this thing for you speak falsely concerning Ishmael Ishmael never want to kill me

[00:19:52] so okay I got some notes ready yeah Ishmael the son of Nethanaya was of royal heritage

[00:20:00] who was an enthusiastic member of the anti Babylonian party oh and he was both jealous of and filled

[00:20:07] with hatred for get a liar got it okay I'm anti Babylonian party like this sounds like a political

[00:20:14] party right yeah not not a balloons and ice cream party can call me anti-babs the anti-babs I love

[00:20:23] now since Ishmael the would be executioner was of the royal house of David okay yeah he may have

[00:20:30] been slided or may have felt slided in being passed over for the responsible office of governor so Ishmael

[00:20:38] the son of Nethanaya had won his trust in some way got it and that's why dude was like no way he

[00:20:46] would never try to kill me get a liar's like I love this guy why would he try to kill me right what

[00:20:52] he thinks gonna happen he's gonna get killed who could know that's next chapter oh oh I mean

[00:20:59] I think it's a pretty safe bet yeah yeah because anybody who's that trustee you know when they

[00:21:05] mention it like that yeah it's it's a done deal they didn't know how to do foreshadowing very well

[00:21:10] back then they really needed some literary agents and editors and stuff right I feel like they're

[00:21:17] trying really hard to carry on this story in in Judah when there's not really a story to be had

[00:21:24] there right like the Babylonian exile has started they're it's not just started it's it's done

[00:21:31] it's on right right and this is the remnant that they left yeah to field dirt to to to man the fields

[00:21:38] and stuff yeah so I don't I feel like this is like try hard here right this is this is not really

[00:21:44] needed maybe I don't know we'll see what happens but it is interesting to find out that there is

[00:21:50] still David David's descendants around so yeah they're they're clamoring for the

[00:21:57] but Jeremiah seems to be on the other guy's side right maybe right and I don't know

[00:22:02] I will see Jeremiah's got a bad lot you know he always gets in these these predicaments where

[00:22:08] he's gonna get in trouble for for saying what he says so it would make it more interesting to

[00:22:12] finish out the rest of the book if we had some more you know

[00:22:16] mesh and it wouldn't be any fun if you had everything was rosy and good so yeah gotta get some

[00:22:23] politics up in here definitely definitely they're still fighting for power the whole city is done

[00:22:30] gone and burned down and the land has been conquered and they're still fighting for power over

[00:22:37] what's left right right that is hilarious to me honestly yep um so that was uh Jeremiah chapter 40

[00:22:45] sure spoke was um and before I get into what we're doing next but I do want to cover this so this

[00:22:50] is coming out as soon as we get done recording this which is early morning like after midnight

[00:22:57] on uh what would have been Friday Friday night now going into Saturday right so um

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[00:23:52] Jeremiah chapter 40 sure spoke was and like I already said we'll be back with so I guess I

[00:23:58] really got to cover that but beyond that on Monday we will be back with Jeremiah chapter 41

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