Jeremiah Chapter 43: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:16] Welcome to sacrilegious discourse. I'm husband and I'm wife. Together we're reading the Bible for the very first time.

[00:01:22] We grew up without religion and wanted to know what all the fuss was about.

[00:01:26] Well what have we learned so far? That God is a dick and apparently some people believe in talking donkeys.

[00:01:32] We're not trying to pass ourselves off as experts.

[00:01:34] Nope we're just reading the Bible for the first time and giving our first take reaction.

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[00:01:44] Alright let's go read the Bible.

[00:01:46] Yeah let's get to it!

[00:01:50] Husband!

[00:01:51] Wife!

[00:01:52] Do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[00:01:56] Well yesterday we read Jeremiah chapter 42 and I was very disappointed in us.

[00:02:03] Yeah.

[00:02:04] We made a big mistake.

[00:02:06] It was a huge fucking mistake.

[00:02:08] We left something out.

[00:02:09] It was the 42nd book of Jeremiah and we didn't make...

[00:02:13] Chapter.

[00:02:14] Yeah I'm sorry, chapter.

[00:02:15] We didn't make one single solitary reference to the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.

[00:02:21] What the fuck is our problem?

[00:02:23] Why didn't... what?

[00:02:24] It's a big number.

[00:02:25] Yeah it's a meaning of life universe and everything.

[00:02:27] How do you not mention that as you're reading through the Bible when it's the 42nd chapter of a book?

[00:02:31] You know what it is.

[00:02:33] What?

[00:02:34] Did we forget our towels?

[00:02:35] We're not whoopi fruits.

[00:02:36] Oh okay.

[00:02:37] And we do not sass where our towels are at.

[00:02:39] That's what happened there.

[00:02:41] Yeah right.

[00:02:42] Okay well we won't let it happen again the next time we get to a chapter 42 of whatever books.

[00:02:47] It'll definitely we'll cover it.

[00:02:49] Got it for sure.

[00:02:50] But do you remember?

[00:02:52] Yes in chapter 42, it was a short chapter.

[00:02:55] It was.

[00:02:56] And as I recall Jeremiah was...

[00:03:01] No no the people that were fleeing were asking Jeremiah what they could do and like...

[00:03:05] What should we do?

[00:03:06] They were like does your god have some guidance for us and he's like...

[00:03:09] We promised to obey.

[00:03:11] Give me a minute and then he was like gone for 10 days.

[00:03:14] And then he came back and he's like yeah just go back and you know go work the land and go over there.

[00:03:19] Babylon.

[00:03:20] And Babylon.

[00:03:21] Don't go to Egypt bitches.

[00:03:23] And then the remnants were like why are the fuck would we do that?

[00:03:26] That guy that killed everybody over there?

[00:03:29] Ishmael?

[00:03:30] Yeah.

[00:03:31] He's still over there.

[00:03:32] No he's with the Ammonites.

[00:03:33] Yeah but he's still nearby.

[00:03:34] He's still nearby.

[00:03:35] Yeah.

[00:03:36] And then you told us everything was going to be fine last time but it wasn't so like why the fuck should we trust you this time?

[00:03:41] We're just going to go on down to Egypt.

[00:03:43] It looks nice over there.

[00:03:44] And then Jeremiah was like well you all going to get fucked over there so have fun with that.

[00:03:50] That was pretty much it.

[00:03:51] Yep.

[00:03:52] So that was Jeremiah chapter 42.

[00:03:53] Sure as fuck was.

[00:03:54] Which means that today we're getting into Jeremiah chapter 43.

[00:03:58] All right let's do this.

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[00:05:07] Alright we are hopping into Jeremiah chapter 43.

[00:05:11] Okay and as usual with Jeremiah I have a note.

[00:05:15] You have an unnote just one.

[00:05:17] Yeah okay it's not the misnumbered Septuagint note.

[00:05:21] No okay it's the narrative note.

[00:05:23] Got it.

[00:05:24] Yeah.

[00:05:25] This chapter is part of a narrative section consisting of chapters 37 to 44.

[00:05:30] So we're almost at the end of this little storyline.

[00:05:33] Got it.

[00:05:34] Yeah what happened to this Septuagint misnumbered things?

[00:05:37] I think we're back on regular equal number.

[00:05:42] I don't know sometimes they're out of order and sometimes they're not.

[00:05:47] Interesting.

[00:05:48] It was just a few that were out of order.

[00:05:50] Yeah I just but you would think they would continue to be out of order as all.

[00:05:54] Not necessarily.

[00:05:55] I'm just throwing it out there.

[00:05:58] Right but I told you at the time that they were just taking certain parts out of order.

[00:06:05] Got it got it.

[00:06:06] Not the whole book.

[00:06:07] Okay.

[00:06:08] Okay yeah.

[00:06:09] Alright so here we go we are in Jeremiah chapter 43.

[00:06:13] Now it happened.

[00:06:15] Ready what happened?

[00:06:16] Yeah I'm ready.

[00:06:17] When Jeremiah had stopped speaking to all the people, all the words of the Lord their

[00:06:22] God for which the Lord their God had sent to them.

[00:06:26] All these words.

[00:06:27] You know he sent that's to them them their God through Jeremiah through his God.

[00:06:33] Yeah I'm just saying right.

[00:06:34] It didn't exactly make a direct appeal to them.

[00:06:38] I guess so I guess so it happened after Jeremiah gave all those words that as a raya the son of

[00:06:45] Hoshiah, Johanon the son of Kariah and all the proud men spoke saying to Jeremiah.

[00:06:53] You speak falsely.

[00:06:55] The Lord our God has not sent you to say do not go to Egypt to dwell there but Baruch the son of Nariah

[00:07:02] has set you against us to deliver us into the hands of the childyans.

[00:07:09] Oh.

[00:07:10] That they may put us to death or Kariah so we captive to Babylon.

[00:07:15] Whoa.

[00:07:16] Okay so wait, wait.

[00:07:17] Let me just let me just stop hold on hold on.

[00:07:20] Yeah remember yesterday I was like we haven't heard about Baruch right and then I was like

[00:07:27] so it's almost like Jeremiah went into his little tent.

[00:07:31] Right.

[00:07:32] Let's send Baruch go ask our handler and Babylon what the fuck I should do.

[00:07:36] They probably saw him fucking coming back and they're like yeah dude he was just coming back from the

[00:07:39] over there by the Babylon.

[00:07:41] Yeah.

[00:07:42] Babylonians.

[00:07:43] Yeah.

[00:07:44] What the fuck this guy's obviously in cooots with them right so you're telling us this came from God

[00:07:49] but no you waited for your buddy to come back from the Babylonians.

[00:07:52] So I just want to tell you as God is my witness.

[00:07:57] I had not I had not read ahead.

[00:07:59] I did not know that this was coming yeah that makes it all the funnier right that I called him out and then

[00:08:06] and then they're like yeah totally the funny thing to me is that they they this is written by Jeremiah

[00:08:12] or Baruch or whatever but one of the two both of them whatever.

[00:08:15] Uh huh.

[00:08:16] And they just keep digging themselves in a bigger and bigger hole with regard to this whole like spy business

[00:08:22] this whole you know their Babylonian agents type thing.

[00:08:26] And we're like it looks like they might be double agents and then like yeah they're totally

[00:08:32] double agents.

[00:08:33] Yeah.

[00:08:34] Yeah.

[00:08:35] Definitely.

[00:08:36] So Johanon the son of Korea and all the captains of the forces and all the people would not obey

[00:08:43] the voice of the Lord to remain in the land of Judah.

[00:08:47] I why do they call it the voice of the Lord though it's the voice of fucking Jeremiah is what

[00:08:52] they're hearing.

[00:08:53] Well, Jeremiah is claiming he's claiming that it's the voice of the Lord.

[00:08:57] But that's what the whole Bible is.

[00:08:58] Yeah no I know and that's that's why this whole thing is bullshit.

[00:09:02] I know there's no there's no point where whatever.

[00:09:06] Like how you're so annoyed you can't even finish your thought.

[00:09:10] Look, these fuckers wrote this bit this bit about Jeremiah and they sound as they wrote it

[00:09:16] they sound like they work for Babylon.

[00:09:19] They should have literally just left it out.

[00:09:22] Also claiming to speak for God you know Jeremiah is claiming to speak for God he's a prophet

[00:09:27] of the Lord he speaks for God and these things have permeated into you know current cultures.

[00:09:34] Right.

[00:09:35] Like we still talk about this and yet I'm listening to this whole thing and I'm like no.

[00:09:40] He's like, he's like they accused us of being double agents.

[00:09:44] Can you even believe that?

[00:09:46] And we're like yes bitch I can.

[00:09:48] Right.

[00:09:49] I can totally believe it.

[00:09:50] Yeah and you just keep like digging yourselves deeper and deeper into this whole idea that

[00:09:54] you probably were.

[00:09:55] I'm like guys stop talking.

[00:09:57] Right.

[00:09:58] You're making this worse literally leave this part out.

[00:10:01] Yeah.

[00:10:02] Like this part, this whole book should never have been included.

[00:10:05] It doesn't really matter though because ultimately like I mean I think a lot of this was written

[00:10:10] with the idea that nobody no common person was going to end up reading this stuff right?

[00:10:16] Right.

[00:10:17] Like this wasn't meant to be read by your common person right.

[00:10:19] It was meant to be read by scholars and by people who are trusting that this is the

[00:10:25] whole the Lord's words and historians.

[00:10:27] I mean they were interested in capturing history.

[00:10:31] But I hear it all the time like this there's this person I've been talking to via email recently

[00:10:36] that this is something they love to tell us is that the what is it?

[00:10:41] The scales are pulled over our eyes if you don't come out of it.

[00:10:44] If you're not reading it correctly or something like that, it's apparently in the Bible somewhere

[00:10:48] like if you don't come to this correctly, you can't ever understand it.

[00:10:53] You know, that's cool.

[00:10:55] I totally believe you so how do you take the scales off my eyes?

[00:11:00] Because that's not a thing that I've been saying that we've discussed this before.

[00:11:04] Right.

[00:11:05] Okay, I believe you there's scales on my eyes.

[00:11:08] Look, the way that they're talking about reading it is like you already have to be you

[00:11:13] already have to accept that this is God's word.

[00:11:15] You have to first believe in God before ever enter into this.

[00:11:19] Yeah.

[00:11:20] Then you have to believe that this is all God's word.

[00:11:22] Then you have to believe that this shit actually happened.

[00:11:25] I'm still on first step one.

[00:11:27] I would think honestly if you're reading the Bible and this is God's word, this is God's

[00:11:32] book, this is the thing that he wrote for humanly had people write for him, he wrote whatever

[00:11:36] I don't fucking care.

[00:11:37] And all that shit happens.

[00:11:38] It's his connection to humanity, right?

[00:11:41] You would think that it would be a good selling point to bring you to God.

[00:11:46] That's what I was always told whether or not you believe or not, right?

[00:11:49] Like it would convince you.

[00:11:51] This has done anything but convinced me.

[00:11:53] No, this has made me harder.

[00:11:55] This is hard in my heart like the God damn Pharaoh.

[00:11:59] But anyway, but Johanon, the son of Korea and all the captains of the forces took all

[00:12:06] the remnant of Judah who had returned to Dwell in the land of Judah from all nations where

[00:12:11] they had been driven men, women, children, the King's daughters and every person who never

[00:12:16] could, no way, never Zeradan, the captain of the guard had left with Giddaya.

[00:12:23] No, Giddaya, the son of the, a he come, the son of Shafan and Jeremiah the prophet and

[00:12:31] Baruch the son of Nariah.

[00:12:32] So all those people that stayed, yeah.

[00:12:35] All those remnant folk.

[00:12:36] They sure are a long-witted way of saying stuff like that, right?

[00:12:39] Like all you had to say was the remnant, you know who you mean, thanks.

[00:12:43] So they went to the land of Egypt for they did not obey the voice of the Lord and they

[00:12:47] went as far as teponies.

[00:12:49] Let's talk about teponies for a minute, okay?

[00:12:53] So teponies was an important fortress city on the northern border of ancient Egypt in

[00:13:02] the north eastern Nile Delta and is generally equated with the Greek city of Daphne.

[00:13:09] Okay.

[00:13:10] Yep.

[00:13:11] So that's what it is.

[00:13:12] So they're in Egypt now, okay?

[00:13:14] Got it.

[00:13:15] And that's where they checked in to like, hey, can we enter your fucking little country

[00:13:21] over here?

[00:13:22] Right.

[00:13:23] Can we live here?

[00:13:24] Can we be refugees here because Babylon is killing everybody.

[00:13:28] Right.

[00:13:29] And we want to not be dead.

[00:13:31] Yeah.

[00:13:32] Then the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah and teponies saying take large stones in your

[00:13:39] hand and hide them in the sight of the men of Judah.

[00:13:42] I don't really understand what hide in the sight means so that they can see you doing it.

[00:13:47] So you're not hiding them?

[00:13:49] I don't know.

[00:13:50] Right.

[00:13:51] In the clay, in the brick courtyard, which is at the entrance to Pharaoh's house in teponies

[00:13:58] and say to them, thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, behold, I will send and

[00:14:05] bring Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, my servant and will set his throne above these

[00:14:12] stones that I have hidden.

[00:14:14] Oh.

[00:14:15] And he wasn't trying to actually hide them.

[00:14:17] He was trying to be seen.

[00:14:19] Yeah.

[00:14:20] You make a point.

[00:14:21] Yeah.

[00:14:22] He's like, look at these stones.

[00:14:23] Right.

[00:14:24] I'm hiding them here for a reason.

[00:14:25] Yeah.

[00:14:26] And y'all get to know the reason.

[00:14:27] Babylon's coming.

[00:14:29] And this is where Nebuchadnezzar is going to sit his throne.

[00:14:32] Okay.

[00:14:33] And he will spread his royal pavilion over them.

[00:14:36] When he comes, he will strike the land of Egypt and deliver to death those appointed

[00:14:41] for death and to captivity, those appointed for captivity and to the sword, those appointed

[00:14:47] for the sword and to Roman noodles, those appointed for Roman noodles and to the couch, those

[00:14:54] appointed to the couch.

[00:14:55] Right.

[00:14:56] Right.

[00:14:57] Okay.

[00:14:58] I'm just putting it out there.

[00:14:59] Yeah.

[00:15:00] I'm going to go out there and get a fire in the houses of the gods of Egypt.

[00:15:03] And he shall burn them and carry them away captive.

[00:15:06] And he shall array himself with the land of Egypt as a shepherd puts on his garment.

[00:15:13] And he shall go out from there in peace.

[00:15:16] I take a little bit of issue with this because why is Nebuchadnezzar going to worry himself,

[00:15:23] unless he was already going to attack Egypt?

[00:15:26] Why is he going to worry himself about this remnant that's running away from

[00:15:30] Jerusalem?

[00:15:31] It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[00:15:34] They're, I don't know.

[00:15:36] Is he just mad because they got away?

[00:15:39] They got away?

[00:15:40] I don't know.

[00:15:41] Or was he going to go ahead and attack Egypt anyway?

[00:15:42] Who knows?

[00:15:43] They were already on a war path.

[00:15:44] They'd already fought once because that's what let them break the siege of Jerusalem

[00:15:48] there briefly.

[00:15:49] Right.

[00:15:50] So I want to find out did this ever happen?

[00:15:53] Did that's a good point?

[00:15:54] Did Babylon ever go into Egypt?

[00:15:56] I don't know enough history to know.

[00:15:58] I want to look that up maybe for our Q&A.

[00:16:01] Do a little bit of Babylonian and Egyptian history.

[00:16:04] There should be some history about it because the Babylonians and the Egyptians both kept

[00:16:09] pretty detailed records about things.

[00:16:11] Right.

[00:16:12] Particularly the Egyptians.

[00:16:13] Right.

[00:16:14] And you would think that those things would be available to find out for sure.

[00:16:16] Right.

[00:16:17] That would be something that students talk about in their Q&A probably.

[00:16:19] That's what I'm saying.

[00:16:20] Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:22] I also want to add a note where it says that he shall array himself with the land of Egypt

[00:16:29] as a shepherd puts on his garment in other translations.

[00:16:34] Like what this is supposed to mean as he's going to wear Egypt like as easily as nothing,

[00:16:41] not even thinking about it.

[00:16:43] Got it.

[00:16:44] He's going to put them on like a vest and it won't be a thing.

[00:16:46] Okay.

[00:16:47] That's how easy this will be.

[00:16:48] It'll be.

[00:16:49] And other translations, it talks about plucking fleas off of himself or or varmants or little

[00:16:58] bugs off of him like nothing.

[00:17:00] Like trying to say this guy's really powerful.

[00:17:03] Right.

[00:17:04] But also they took out and changed the picking of knits off of himself because that was

[00:17:15] too close to basically referring to people in the Middle East as dirty and having fleas.

[00:17:23] Got it.

[00:17:24] So according to the notes that I read, that's why that was changed.

[00:17:27] I don't know how true that is.

[00:17:29] It does track that they're racist fuxx.

[00:17:32] But I don't know that they would necessarily say let's not be a racist fuck on this one

[00:17:38] page.

[00:17:40] So I don't know why some translations and not others.

[00:17:43] Sure.

[00:17:44] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:17:45] I want to throw that out there.

[00:17:46] Food for thought.

[00:17:47] Yeah.

[00:17:48] Okay.

[00:17:49] He shall also break the sacred pillars of Beth Shamesh that are in the land of Egypt and

[00:17:55] the houses of the gods of the Egyptians.

[00:17:57] He shall burn with fire.

[00:18:00] Okay.

[00:18:01] Yeah.

[00:18:02] Beth Shamesh, the literal translation of that city is House of the Sun.

[00:18:08] I think we talked about that.

[00:18:10] We have.

[00:18:11] He was located about six miles northeast of Cairo was the ancient worship center of

[00:18:17] Sun God Ray, later called Heliopolis.

[00:18:20] Okay.

[00:18:21] Which makes sense.

[00:18:23] And the oracle here he's describing Egypt as not a safe refuge from Nebuchadnezzar.

[00:18:31] Obviously.

[00:18:32] Right.

[00:18:33] So he's like, this is not good.

[00:18:34] He's going to burn Egypt.

[00:18:36] Yeah.

[00:18:37] I don't think that happened.

[00:18:38] But I find it interesting though that Jeremiah is still going with them.

[00:18:41] Like he was he was kidnapped.

[00:18:43] He was forced to go with them.

[00:18:46] I did read some I haven't read the chapters ahead.

[00:18:49] I never read the chapters ahead, but some of the notes I sometimes they allude to things.

[00:18:56] And he was definitely forced to go with these people and because of his prophecy that everybody

[00:19:04] the remnant who goes there, they're going to get punished.

[00:19:08] He was definitely concerned that he was going to get punished along with everybody since

[00:19:13] he got to know why I was kind of wondering why he went along.

[00:19:16] Yeah.

[00:19:17] He didn't have a choice.

[00:19:18] He was forced probably because they're pissed.

[00:19:21] Well, I mean, you know, I think that they know that Jeremiah and Baruch are double agents

[00:19:27] and they're like, no, you bitches are coming with us.

[00:19:30] We're not going to let you run back to Babylon.

[00:19:32] We're not going to kill you because we're not murderous, fucks like you.

[00:19:36] But we're also not going to let you go and run and tell fucking isch mail or never can

[00:19:43] nether where we are.

[00:19:45] Right.

[00:19:46] No, fuck you.

[00:19:47] You're coming.

[00:19:48] Yeah.

[00:19:49] And maybe even like this just occurred to me, maybe even they thought that if they took

[00:19:54] the quote unquote profit of God with them, that maybe that would protect them from punishment

[00:19:59] because surely God would not punish his own profit.

[00:20:01] It could be.

[00:20:02] It could be maybe bit of both right.

[00:20:04] This had your bets, right?

[00:20:05] Right.

[00:20:06] Like I'm not saying I believe this, but Justin Cates.

[00:20:09] Right.

[00:20:10] Yeah.

[00:20:11] All right.

[00:20:12] Well, so they're heading to Egypt and Jeremiah's along for the ride and now they're in Egypt

[00:20:16] now.

[00:20:17] They're in Egypt now.

[00:20:18] Sorry.

[00:20:19] And apparently now Babylon is going to fight Egypt, maybe.

[00:20:23] We'll see which is interesting.

[00:20:25] So yeah, I am going to look into that.

[00:20:28] No, I'm very curious.

[00:20:29] I don't know.

[00:20:30] I'm not sure that that actually happened.

[00:20:33] Right.

[00:20:34] I mean, it might have though.

[00:20:36] There are some things that do line up with the Bible.

[00:20:37] Sure.

[00:20:38] All right.

[00:20:39] Well, that being said, that was Jeremiah chapter 43.

[00:20:42] Sure.

[00:20:43] Fuck was.

[00:20:44] Which means that we'll be back tomorrow with.

[00:20:46] Jeremiah chapter 44, the end of this little narrative selection.

[00:20:50] All right.

[00:20:51] We'll see you guys then.

[00:20:52] Bye.

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