Jeremiah Chapter 44: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:15] Welcome to sacrilegious discourse. I'm husband and I'm wife. Together we're

[00:01:20] reading the Bible for the very first time. We grew up without religion and

[00:01:24] wanted to know what all the fuss was about. Well what did we learn so far? That

[00:01:27] God is a dick and apparently some people believe in talking donkeys. We're not

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[00:01:47] Husband! Wife! Do you remember what happened yesterday?

[00:01:53] And where the hell we are today? Well we just got done reading Jeremiah chapter 43.

[00:01:59] Sure it's fucked up. And in that chapter the remnants, the people who were

[00:02:05] left in Judah, were running the way to Egypt and they stopped to ask Jeremiah

[00:02:12] like what the fuck? What should we do? What should we do? You ask your God?

[00:02:16] Then they decided after you know weighing it all over and deciding that he

[00:02:22] might be a trader to just go ahead and go on into the Egypt. Even though Jeremiah

[00:02:27] was like you guys should totally not go into Egypt. Right so then they were

[00:02:31] like yeah fuck you and also we don't want you running back to them so we're

[00:02:35] gonna take you with us regardless of whether you want to go or not. Because you

[00:02:38] and the broke are total sus. Yeah yeah you guys are definitely spies, fuckers.

[00:02:43] And I don't disagree. Right. I'm totally with them on this. Yeah we saw this

[00:02:48] coming a mile away. Right. And then the people caught up to us and were like hey are

[00:02:54] you spies? Right right. And then they got to Egypt and and then Jeremiah started

[00:03:01] hiding stones. Mm-hmm. And then he was like my buddy Danba Kinesz is gonna come

[00:03:06] and get you. Ha ha basically. Yeah that basically happened. And that was

[00:03:12] pretty much what happened in Jeremiah chapter 43. Yes that is. So that being said

[00:03:17] what are we getting into today? Jeremiah chapter 44. All right let's do this. Okie dokie.

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[00:05:04] All right we are hopping into Jeremiah chapter 44. Okay. Got a couple of notes

[00:05:13] before we dive in. Okay. And one of them's really interesting. Okay. Here's the

[00:05:18] boring one. This chapter is part of a narrative consisting of chapters 37 to

[00:05:23] 44 which is the last one of that narrative. Not a Jeremiah.

[00:05:28] Correct. Jeremiah continues. But interestingly enough this is chronologically the last

[00:05:35] episode of Jeremiah's ministry. Oh he delivers his last little speech to the people

[00:05:43] in this chapter. Interesting. Which we still have like 10 chapters left so I don't

[00:05:49] understand. Right yeah I'm a little confused about that. Right so you know stay tuned

[00:05:54] I guess we will see what happens. Yeah sure yeah yeah. All right so here we go

[00:06:00] diving into chapter 44. The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews who

[00:06:07] dwell in the land of Egypt who dwell at McDowell at top and ease at Noth and in the

[00:06:14] country of Pathroese these are all various places in Egypt. So get to in a minute

[00:06:18] okay saying so this is God talking yeah according to Jeremiah right. Thus says the Lord

[00:06:25] of hosts the God of Israel. You have seen all the calamity that I have brought on Jerusalem

[00:06:30] and on all the cities of Judah and behold this day they are a desolation and no one dwells

[00:06:37] in them because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke me to anger. Yeah

[00:06:43] that's why they did it. Yeah it wasn't because they were just trying to live their own lives

[00:06:47] and do their own thing. They were on purpose trying to antagonize you because it's always

[00:06:52] about you God. If they really were fearful of this God and believe the Jeremiah was telling

[00:06:58] the word of God. They would have run right back to fucking Jerusalem. Yeah Jerusalem

[00:07:03] yeah. Because that's what Jeremiah told them to do but obviously they don't fear this

[00:07:08] God or they wholly don't believe Jeremiah. Right. You know like one of those two things is true

[00:07:16] or both. This is not about God and their idea of God it's their trust level of what Jeremiah

[00:07:23] is telling them or not you know that's really what this boils down to because God is not talking

[00:07:29] to them. Exactly. So God continues because of their wickedness blah blah blah in which they committed

[00:07:37] to piss me off. Yeah. In that they went to burn incense and to serve other gods whom they did not know

[00:07:45] they nor you nor your fathers. Okay. So now that they're in Egypt, they're already

[00:07:52] added again with their but they've never they've literally never stopped. Literally. Yeah. However I

[00:07:58] have sent to you all my servants the prophets rising early and sending them saying oh do not do

[00:08:04] this abominable thing that I hate but they did not listen or incline their ear to turn from their

[00:08:11] wickedness. I think burn no incense to other gods. I think that maybe Jeremiah was not a morning

[00:08:17] person. He always mentions how these rose rose early. You know and you don't mention that if

[00:08:24] it's easy for you to do right. So I don't think he liked getting up early in the morning so he was

[00:08:28] like I'm getting up early for you, fucks. Yeah. To tell you this word of God stuff. So you better

[00:08:34] fucking listen. Exactly. So my theory and my anger were poured out and kindled in the cities of

[00:08:42] Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem and they are wasted and desolate as it is to this day.

[00:08:49] Okay. So let me get into some notes here. Okay. Ready? Yeah. So verse one is Jeremiah's final

[00:08:56] message to the Judeans living in various places throughout Egypt. Okay. Yeah. And therefore

[00:09:02] the Jerusalem Bible suggests that this introduction to Jeremiah's final prophecy represents a

[00:09:08] message being addressed to the whole Jewish diaspora in Egypt not just to the remnants that he was

[00:09:15] standing with. Got it. So there were people there prior to them even running though like people

[00:09:20] had already fled to Egypt. Yes. Correct. Okay. And this message is thought to have been delivered in

[00:09:26] the 17th or 18th year after the taking of Jerusalem. Okay. So they've been there like a couple

[00:09:33] yeah one or two decades now. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Like settling in. Okay. Yeah.

[00:09:39] Tapini's like we said last time is Daphne and that was the first border point in Egypt. Okay.

[00:09:47] And then Noth is Memphis in lower Egypt. Pathrose is in upper Egypt. Okay. So there's that.

[00:09:57] And let's see just trying to see where my next sitar notes are so I see how far I should read.

[00:10:04] Okay. Now therefore thus says the Lord the God of hosts the God of Israel. Why as holes do you commit

[00:10:14] this great evil against yourselves to cut off from you man and woman child and infant out of Judah

[00:10:22] leaving none to remain in that you provoke me to wrath with the works of your hands burning

[00:10:29] incense to other gods in the land of Egypt where you have gone to dwell that you may cut yourselves

[00:10:34] off and be a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth like all the other nations give

[00:10:41] a fuck right. Well I'm actually a little confused honestly because like early on the message was

[00:10:47] turn yourselves over to Babylon right and give the give yourselves up and you'll you'll live in

[00:10:52] this other land for 70 years and then you'll return to Judah right and now he's like why did you

[00:10:58] leave Judah well it was because you told us to not not to Egypt but like he told he told the

[00:11:05] the Israelites that they were going to be out of their land for 70 years. Yes but out of their land

[00:11:12] given over to Babylon right sure but it's still taken over by Babylon they just happen to be in Egypt

[00:11:18] they're they're still out of their fucking land okay I'm not really following you say it again

[00:11:23] I I'm saying that he's saying why haven't you stayed in Judah right why haven't you occupied this place

[00:11:32] that I have you know procured for you and your people he's literally the one that was regardless

[00:11:39] of where they went regardless of how they didn't listen to him to go down to Babylon or whatever

[00:11:44] there was at note like earlier on when we were reading through Jeremiah he was saying that

[00:11:50] I'm going to kick your asses out of Jerusalem for 70 years right now the majority of them in this

[00:11:55] last few chapters yes we've had this little like oh some of you get to stay this remnant gets to

[00:12:01] stay within the decide not to stay but that wasn't the original plan the original plan was y'all are

[00:12:06] going to go away I'm going to burn this place to the ground we're going to start over oh so you're

[00:12:10] saying since God didn't go ahead and burn them all anyway who gives a shit where they're

[00:12:16] running in the house yeah okay so I read in notes that he always says all when what he really

[00:12:24] means is most you would think though a God could be very clear about what he wants and what he says

[00:12:29] you would think you would think and I'm also like oh so are we interpreting God's word again

[00:12:36] are we doing that thing right where we're like this is what God truly meant right it's whatever's

[00:12:41] convenient and then he given time right yeah and I'm like I thought we were supposed to do that

[00:12:45] right and what makes you what makes you think that you know that yeah like why do you get to decide

[00:12:51] that's what he really means I still ask that of people that believe in God today like there is all

[00:12:56] kinds of people that have all like there's literally as many people as there are that are religious

[00:13:02] there's that many fucking opinions about what God is and what it means yeah I mean there is

[00:13:06] literally no way to talk to someone who is a religious person in any real meaningful sense because

[00:13:13] you can't actually hold them to account for any idea right that is dispersed through the Bible or

[00:13:20] through their religion or through their church even if they 100% believe everything in the Bible

[00:13:25] then you're talking to somebody who legit believes in talking donkeys and all the other bullshit

[00:13:30] nonsense magical things right that happened and that you know there've been like angels that came

[00:13:36] down and that like floating whatever what have you sure and I'm like okay so we have nothing to talk

[00:13:43] about here if you believe in all of that magical woohoo stuff like we can't even start to start

[00:13:49] right but like and then if they're like no those are just allegories then the question is okay but

[00:13:55] why are you deciding that right like it all happened or it didn't happen is the first question

[00:14:02] and whichever way you go you're wrong but even if they believed in talking donkeys even if they

[00:14:09] believed in all the crazy shit right if they would just hold to it if they would say yes this is

[00:14:15] 100% what Christianity is right it would be easier to talk to Christians as a whole right say you know

[00:14:25] I don't think that's correct let's talk about how your God did this and your God did that but

[00:14:30] it's always there's always backpedaling yeah there's always there's always you know there's

[00:14:34] always some sort of a um you read that wrong you took it out of context yes you just don't get it

[00:14:42] or ours is not to know right like that's that's the ultimate get out of jail free yeah there is no you

[00:14:48] can't actually confront someone who believes because they don't come from ting it's like trying to find

[00:14:54] an actual fucking answer right it's not a confrontation and I think that's my biggest like even when

[00:14:59] I was searching for answers about God when I was younger I was not ever satisfactorily able to

[00:15:05] come up with anybody to give me an answer right because they don't they're so scared of the answer

[00:15:11] they can't even give you the answer because they don't know what the fuck an answer is either no

[00:15:15] until the answer is just always oh you're asking too many questions and you know you're not coming

[00:15:21] out this with the right heart and I'm like what is the right heart can you define that and they're like

[00:15:25] it's not questioning that's what it is right exactly you're not supposed to question but I don't

[00:15:30] understand like then what is it I'm believing again tell me why would God create a whole you know

[00:15:36] world of people who have the ability and crave the ability to question things and then expect

[00:15:43] you not to do it right with regard to him well my thing is okay so let's say I go into this without

[00:15:49] questioning you spell out on a paper a list exactly what I'm supposed to believe right and get

[00:15:56] 25 Christians to all agree from different denominations right yeah yes if you believe these 25

[00:16:05] things then you are believing in God and you are a Christian right that that's not going to happen

[00:16:13] I guarantee you that 25 out of 25 Christians believe that atheists are wrong yes that's I can

[00:16:19] guarantee that the only thing that they will agree on and the Bible is God's word right even even

[00:16:25] at that but some of them say it's 100% true sure some of them say it's 100% allegory it's a very

[00:16:33] nuanced argument because you'd never know even with just that right what you're talking to someone

[00:16:37] about like they mean by that what they are trying to convey with that so right so like I don't get

[00:16:42] though you just have to believe and again I'm just like believe what exactly now right seriously

[00:16:48] I'm not asking to be a smart ass I literally don't know what it is you're asking me in God

[00:16:55] but what is that right I don't know what you're asking me to believe and if you ever notice how

[00:17:01] every other Christian that you bring up that you're like well I've heard it differently over here

[00:17:05] like well those aren't true Christians I'm like oh Jesus come on come on right like you're the only

[00:17:12] one man you're the only one yep that's magic right yeah that's magic yeah I'm surprised that

[00:17:18] your fucking toilet town doesn't float yeah millions of fucking only right Christians it's amazing yeah

[00:17:26] anyway continue yeah sorry sorry have you this is God talking have you forgotten the wickedness of

[00:17:32] your fathers the wickedness of the kings of Judah the wickedness of their wives your own wickedness

[00:17:39] and the wickedness of your wives which they committed in the land of Judah and in the streets of

[00:17:43] Jerusalem they have not been humbled to this day nor have they feared you just killed a shit ton of them

[00:17:51] I think some of them were humbled well this is like 20 years later still they killed them within

[00:17:56] the life you know within a generation but these people are they're like whatever I'm settling in

[00:18:00] all right you know that was yesterday right you know all right they have not walked in my law

[00:18:06] or in my statutes that I set before you and your fathers therefore thus says the Lord of hosts

[00:18:13] the God of Israel but old I will set my face against you bitches again for catastrophe and for

[00:18:20] cutting off all Judah and I will take the remnant of Judah who have set their faces to go into the land

[00:18:26] of Egypt to dwell there and they shall all be consumed and fall in the land of Egypt it's funny

[00:18:34] it's only taken on what you said about 17 years you get to the point where he's going to actually

[00:18:38] follow through with this plan yeah those rocks that Jeremiah set there at the entrance they sat

[00:18:42] there for a long fucking time right I'm just saying well I mean God's timeline is so much longer

[00:18:49] right right yeah a blink of his eyes is checking my watch about 17 years for us meanwhile half the

[00:18:57] people that Jeremiah threatened with those stones are probably already dead they're like well that

[00:19:02] never came to pass exactly so they shall be consumed by the sword and by famine they shall die

[00:19:09] from the least to the greatest by the sword and by famine and they shall be an oath and astonishment

[00:19:16] occurs in a reproach this sounds familiar we really does I mean honestly God spends more time

[00:19:22] killing Israelites than anybody else it's true so for I will punish those who dwell in the land of

[00:19:28] Egypt as I have punished Jerusalem by the sword by famine and by pestilence you know those things

[00:19:34] so that none of the remnant of Judah who have gone into the land of Egypt to dwell there shall escape

[00:19:40] or survive unless they return to the land of Judah to which they desire to return and dwell for

[00:19:46] none shall return except those who escape yeah if you choose to return before I kill you

[00:19:52] the remnant of the remnant right there's gonna be a remnant of the remnant that's all right you run away

[00:19:56] opposite opposite then we're gonna be good yeah but I'll let them go yeah if you escape you escape

[00:20:03] I mean what correct true yes okay then all the men oh God's done talking now okay okay now we're

[00:20:13] saying what happens next sure Jeremiah is like boom I laid down the law right 15 years later

[00:20:18] like you said the same shit for how many decades before still alive oh my god guys still talking man

[00:20:24] right okay then all the men who knew that their wives had burned in since the other gods with all the

[00:20:30] women who stood by a great multitude and all the people who dwelt in the land of Egypt and

[00:20:36] path roast answered Jeremiah saying as for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord

[00:20:44] shit we will not listen to you but we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth to

[00:20:49] burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her I'm assuming this is a

[00:20:55] different God not quite okay as we have done we and our fathers our kings and our princes in the

[00:21:02] cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem for then they're talking about like the good old days

[00:21:09] okay back before Josiah like overturned everything and tried to straighten up and get rid of all the

[00:21:15] pagan stuff okay yeah for them we have plenty of food we were well off and we saw no trouble but

[00:21:22] since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her

[00:21:27] we have lacked everything and I've been consumed by the sword and by famine so he's there the men are

[00:21:33] like bring it what the fuck ever right but we're the fuckers the queen of hell I'm gonna get okay

[00:21:38] I'm gonna get there all right the women also said shit and when we burned incense to the queen of

[00:21:44] heaven and poured out drink offerings to her did we make cakes for her to worship her and pour out

[00:21:50] drink offerings to her without our husband's permission so the wives the men are like we've been

[00:21:56] doing this shit for ages so back off and then the women are like and we didn't have a choice our

[00:22:02] husband's kind of made us so sure we're fine right all right so let's get into this okay let's talk

[00:22:08] about the queen of heaven right yeah this is a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses

[00:22:14] worship throughout the ancient Mediterranean and the ancient near east okay goddesses known to

[00:22:21] have been referred to by this title include inana a not inana isis nute astarte and ashara

[00:22:32] here we go right okay well you know it's funny though like if we go back to some of the hypotheses

[00:22:38] earlier on uh-huh shara was often attributed to um being the wife of l the wife of yeah the wife of

[00:22:44] hell which is god essentially yeah bring all this forward yeah so they've just gone back to their roots

[00:22:50] is all they never left them though like right they that's the part that i'm I keep trying to say what as

[00:22:56] we're reading through this because from what i am understanding from the general populace of israel

[00:23:01] is that these these folks never really moved out of their pagan roots right exactly like maybe they've

[00:23:09] um refined some of their thoughts with regard to what god is and what god isn't but they've never

[00:23:15] given up their pagan roots no they never did you're correct you are correct yeah astarte is the name

[00:23:22] of agatus as known from north western somatic regions equivalent would be the goddess ish tar in

[00:23:32] mesopotamian text i heard that name before i think maybe we even probably have a before we have

[00:23:37] some of this is stuff that we talked about like a couple years ago yeah yeah it's not

[00:23:41] anything recent i know but like you know i do remember that name yes astarte was accepted by the

[00:23:46] Greeks under the name of aphrodite oh wow wow we've got aphrodite a shira ish tar inana all these names

[00:23:56] are this interesting how all these religion just kind of like meld together you know like it's just

[00:24:01] all right there yeah and they're all they're all like the the queen of heaven is also like

[00:24:09] um goddess of the moon and fertility and beauty and love like it's all mingle together in one big woman

[00:24:18] because it's essentially the same story just told in different cultures and retold and retold

[00:24:23] and retold until it becomes it is we've talked about this before too the game of telephone right

[00:24:29] it's just these things have become their own entities in different lands because they

[00:24:34] they take on life of their own so yeah ish tar was the goddess of war and love and she represented

[00:24:41] the female principal of fertility which that's right basically what i just said yeah astarte may be

[00:24:46] the iron age incarnation of the bronze age ashera so um the iron age would have been after 1200 BCE

[00:24:57] and then the bronze age would have been up to 1200 BCE right and that was back i remember talking

[00:25:03] about that too and we were transitioning from one of the others yep yep so basically a starte became

[00:25:10] ashera okay so and they're they're just all the same ish sure ashera was worshiped in ancient

[00:25:17] Israel as we know as the consort of l and in juda as the consort of yaw way oh which so it made the

[00:25:27] transitional on yeah okay all right so i mean but l is yaw way you know what i mean like defending

[00:25:33] on right what time period we're talking about right i mean there's no definitive break as to when

[00:25:40] right l ended in yaw way we can't exactly right it just those two stories those two gods were like

[00:25:47] where we get our two different creation stories right at the very beginning of genesis yeah one is

[00:25:53] l and one is yaw way and it's like whatever yeah y'all stupid anyway yes i'm so like full of

[00:26:00] disdain i'm sorry i just am i can't help it i'm looking at you with my 2024 glasses on i cannot

[00:26:08] help it yeah i cannot take them off today right sometimes i can be very respectful and other times i'm

[00:26:14] like nope those glasses are glued to my head i mean these things are it's just it's it's silly to

[00:26:21] take these things as seriously as they are taken today mm-hmm it's it's it's silly on the on par

[00:26:26] on level with santa or the Easter bunny right you know like and and the only problem that we have

[00:26:33] with it is that the people that believe in this shit are making it to where the measles are coming

[00:26:39] back right like fuck off with your god damn santa clause right and get your god damn shots you dumbass

[00:26:46] yes like literally stop believing in magic and go get your fucking vaccinations right right okay

[00:26:56] get off my soapbox okay there was a temple of yaw way in egypt at the time of the judeian's entering

[00:27:04] egypt about the six to seven centuries BCE okay yeah so that's interesting and this temple of yaw way

[00:27:12] in egypt was central to the jewish community at elephantine in which yaw way was worshiped

[00:27:20] in conjunction with the goddess anath who was also named in the temple papyri found in the area

[00:27:28] as anath bethal and anath lahoo okay okay yeah her counterpart in the new testament like we're

[00:27:37] gonna get to the new testament eventually a counterpart in the new testament huh yeah is

[00:27:41] Artemis okay and in latin dianna that's in the new testament um apparently i've never okay

[00:27:50] i mean they may refer to her i don't fucking know okay like the romans right it would be the romans

[00:27:56] talking about right so i was yeah more okay all right so like right now we're talking about like

[00:28:03] the Greeks and stuff right and you know egypt but then when we get into the new testament that's

[00:28:08] gonna be the romans okay and so yeah Artemis would make sense sure but in latin it would be dianna

[00:28:14] like dianna was um of the moon got it yeah she's the moon goddess okay so for the Babylonians the queen

[00:28:20] of heaven was a maternal deity connected with the moon with family and with fertility got it which

[00:28:27] makes sense yeah the goddesses ashera anath anastarte first appear as distinct and separate deities

[00:28:35] in the tablets discovered in the ruins of the library of yugurit which is modern day syria

[00:28:43] okay and most biblical scholars tend to regard these goddesses as one especially under the title

[00:28:49] queen of heaven okay so they were separate entities but only in that the different people spread

[00:28:57] out sure might have misnamed her or her name might have like evolved differently over here as

[00:29:04] to over there sure so it is the same fucking person yep okay so okay let's get back into our

[00:29:12] chapter okay so you know the men are like fuck this we've been doing this forever and the women

[00:29:17] are like and the husbands let us so fuck off right okay so then Jeremiah spoke to all the people

[00:29:24] the men the women and all the people who had given them that answer are saying

[00:29:30] the incense that you burned in the cities of juda and in the streets of jirusalam

[00:29:35] you and your fathers your kings and your princes and the people of the land did not the lord remember

[00:29:41] them and did it not come into his mind so the lord could no longer bear it because of the evil of

[00:29:48] your doings and because of the abominations which you committed therefore your land is a

[00:29:54] desolation an astonishment occurs and without an inhabitant as it is to this day because you have

[00:30:02] burned incense and because you have sinned against the lord and have not obeyed the voice of the

[00:30:08] lord or walked in his law in his statutes or in his testimonies therefore this calamity has happened

[00:30:16] to you as at this day so they're like no it happened when joseiya knocked all our statues down

[00:30:26] and Jeremiah is like saying no stupid it happened yes at that time but it happened because

[00:30:34] God ran out of fucking patience right right and i'm like you're both wrong yeah more over

[00:30:42] Jeremiah said to all the people and to all the women hear the word of the lord all juda who are

[00:30:48] in the land of egypt thus says the lord of hosts the god of israel saying you and your wives have

[00:30:55] spoken with your mouths and fulfilled with your hands saying we will surely keep our vows that we

[00:31:01] have made to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her you will surely

[00:31:07] keep your vows and perform your vows therefore hear the word of the lord all juda who dwell in the

[00:31:14] land of egypt behold did he got to fuck them up i have sworn by my great name says the lord

[00:31:20] i swear on me yeah that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of juda in all the

[00:31:27] land of egypt saying the lord god lives behold bitches i will watch over them for adversity and not

[00:31:35] for good okay okay he's like fine y'all promise you're gonna keep it up i promise i'm not going to

[00:31:41] even help you so basically Jeremiah is cursing them at this point yeah he's like fine y'all don't

[00:31:46] want to fucking listen to me i'm gonna make god be pissy with you the rest of your your fucking

[00:31:51] life god says he's gonna say whatever Jeremiah is the one fucking saying it yes and all the men of juda

[00:31:57] who are in the land of egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by famine until there is an end

[00:32:03] to them boom yet a small number who escaped the sword shall return from the land of egypt to

[00:32:08] the land of juda of course and all the remnant of juda who have gone to the land of egypt to

[00:32:13] dwell there shall know those words will stand minor theirs and this shall be assigned to you says the

[00:32:20] lord that i will punish you in this place that you may know that my words will surely stand against

[00:32:26] you for adversity don't call me surely the says the lord oh bitches i will give pharaoh hoffra

[00:32:36] king of egypt into the hand of his enemies and into the hand of those who seek his life

[00:32:43] as i gave Zedekaya king of juda into the hand of nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon his enemy who sought

[00:32:50] his life boom the end i am really looking forward to our q&a this week because we are gonna cover

[00:32:54] some history right yeah well i have some notes now okay that um i relevant yeah i needed to look

[00:33:01] into because i was like okay what is happening right now like what time period is this yeah all right

[00:33:08] so when god says i will watch over them for adversity and not for good that was verse 27 yeah it's

[00:33:13] possible actually that the jewish community in egypt heard Jeremiah's warnings and repented

[00:33:19] because by the time of the new testament which we're not at yet

[00:33:24] there was a large and strong jewish community in egypt and perhaps they eventually responded

[00:33:30] in repentance and were spared this judgment wait a second they that's an apologist yeah because

[00:33:38] god literally said if you don't run away from egypt yeah i'm going to punish you will die

[00:33:42] well he was saying that specifically to that remnant group people who had already come to egypt

[00:33:49] before that and settled in but what you just got to tell me earlier in the this chapter that he

[00:33:55] was talking to all the people of egypt like all the people that have been there before and all

[00:34:00] people that you know i have no idea right well that's what i'm saying like it just depends on

[00:34:05] what chapter and what varsher and babe and it depends on the mood and it depends on the pastor

[00:34:11] and it also depends on which apologist you're reading right as to who he's speaking to

[00:34:18] well in you know what if if pastors and preachers and priests and all these people could just admit

[00:34:25] that they're not fucking sure that would be awesome step in the right direction right yeah because

[00:34:30] the truth is you're not fucking sure i'm reading this book and i can tell you 100 percent i don't

[00:34:35] care how much fucking study and you did you are not sure because no one is sure what i got out of

[00:34:41] this is wait so then that shit didn't happen then right yeah that's what i got exactly exactly

[00:34:48] so but let's go on because i have some more note okay um in that last verse Jeremiah tells them

[00:34:54] of the judgment to come upon the Pharaoh and of egypt okay yep so hoffa or aprize was and i we've

[00:35:03] talked about him before yeah because he's the guy that's happening right there sure you know right

[00:35:08] at that moment yep he was the fourth king of the 26th dynasty of egypt okay and he ruled from

[00:35:16] 589 to 570 BCE okay so like right after the Babylonian people came like he took over as Babylon

[00:35:25] Babylon was taking over um israel basically yes correct he forged an alliance was ediciah to rebel

[00:35:33] against Babylon remember that was in Jeremiah yeah 37 right um he sent an army in the summer of

[00:35:39] 588 BCE but that action failed to prevent the fall of Jerusalem in 587 okay so we remember all

[00:35:46] that okay aprize's or hoffa whichever you prefer to call him yep yep his unsuccessful attempt to

[00:35:54] intervene in the politics of the kingdom of juda was followed by a mutiny of soldiers from the

[00:36:00] strategically important as one garrison okay because he had some mercenaries with him okay yeah

[00:36:08] and the fact that they like turn tail yeah and let Babylon go ahead and get their get that's

[00:36:13] what caused the problems with the yeah that started the downfall of this dude not egypt this dude got

[00:36:21] it got it yeah a recently uncovered steela from teponese records that nebuchadnezzar attempted to

[00:36:29] invade egypt in 582 BCE okay but aprize's or hoffa's forces were able to repel the invasion okay

[00:36:39] which is cool so it never actually came to pass what god predicted here got a little bit more

[00:36:44] all right but not in the big way god was shouting about right right yeah a civil war broke out in

[00:36:51] the Egyptian army between the indigenous troops versus the foreign mercenaries okay that hoffa had

[00:36:58] yeah i'm gonna call him hoffa because that other name is more difficult yeah sure okay so the

[00:37:04] Egyptians threw their support to a very successful general under hoffa's father this guy had had a

[00:37:13] lot of success under hoffa's father back in the day before he died right this general was named a

[00:37:21] masses okay yeah so a masses quickly declared himself Pharaoh in 570 BCE as you do as you do

[00:37:29] right okay and hoffa fled egypt and he sought refuge in a foreign country when hoffa marched back to

[00:37:37] egypt in 567 BCE with the aid of a Babylonian army to reclaim the throne of egypt oh wow he was

[00:37:48] likely killed in battle with a masses forces see so he even became a traitor yeah like this guy

[00:37:56] like he he was like hey i'll work with you guys if uh if he helped me get my seat back yeah can

[00:38:01] you please help me right get my throne yeah but it didn't work out for him right so i mean everybody

[00:38:08] was like i hate Babylon and then they're like Babylon can you help me a little bit please right even

[00:38:14] egypt yeah so a masses that general guy yeah he married hoffa's daughter to legitimize his ascension

[00:38:21] to power and he continued to rule until his death in 526 BCE so he ruled for a good long while yeah

[00:38:29] he did like a good 50 plus years yeah yeah he was like what yeah and apparently he was like a very

[00:38:36] successful king as well as a very successful general right right because i mean the

[00:38:42] he held off god yeah right according you know yeah what's wrong with him i'm here in any way

[00:38:48] so scripture is silent on what happened to Jeremiah after the events of this chapter they killed

[00:38:54] them because he's an idiot though tradition offers several opinions though tradition offers several

[00:39:01] legends concerning his death okay okay yeah so one legend states that he was killed at Daphne

[00:39:07] that one city okay yeah tapenies right okay yeah another claims he was carried away claims he carried

[00:39:15] away the tabernacle hiding it in the mountains where Moses died hold on wait tap that that hold on

[00:39:23] that story is actually recorded in second macabees really is one of the books that we actually

[00:39:32] have listed as a follow-up type as part of our what we're gonna read oh okay yeah got it so

[00:39:40] it's included in our biblee thing that we're reading got it okay yeah yeah apparently according to

[00:39:48] second macabees he picked up the tabernacle and carried it away to Moses mountain i didn't even know

[00:39:54] the tabernacle was still around right like what would you would you even talking about that happened

[00:39:58] again right yeah so that's interesting wasn't that like it had to be that had to be carried by like

[00:40:04] like the Levi's had to carry it with like four four or whatever people yeah yeah yeah and then yet

[00:40:10] another legend indicates that he was alive with Enoch and Elijah expected to return as a

[00:40:18] four-runner of the Messiah oh for fuck sake that's probably more of a Christian yeah sure

[00:40:25] thing yeah you know how it be right so i tend to think that he was probably killed at deaf me yeah

[00:40:32] I mean they didn't like him at all because that's where they had stopped right right that's where he

[00:40:37] was basically delivering this message yeah and he was like you guys all suck and they were like

[00:40:43] really okay yeah um we're gonna kill this dude right right and then i'm pretty sure that i'm so

[00:40:50] done with this guy yeah yeah and you know him being a traitor and a lot yeah no and it's very

[00:40:57] very very clear to me that there is definite undertones of being a traitor yeah he is he's the

[00:41:07] people think it he's alluded to it like i mean just like it's all there yes so yeah i don't understand

[00:41:15] like there are 52 chapters of Jeremiah we're in 44 so there are eight more chapters of this book

[00:41:24] and so do they go back before i who knows Jeremiah or they do they talk about um some more

[00:41:32] Babylonian exile stuff right just without Jeremiah could be i or is the rest like baruch summing up

[00:41:40] what happened with the history or something like i legit do not know well we're gonna find out soon

[00:41:47] enough i guess right i love ending on a cliff note where i'm like but what happened next how do you

[00:41:52] have isn't that what i said you said cliff note oh that's funny that's funny sorry that was my

[00:41:59] dyslexia brain happening again yes cliffhanger where i'm like what's happening next i don't know i

[00:42:05] don't understand where are we going from here right right yeah well i guess we will find out soon

[00:42:12] so that was Jeremiah chapter 44 correct which means that we will be back tomorrow with

[00:42:20] Jeremiah chapter 45 all right we'll see it in bye

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