Jeremiah Chapter 49: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:54] and where the hell we are today? Well, yesterday we read Jeremiah chapter 48. We did. And in that

[00:02:01] chapter God or Jeremiah or both of them whatever. Along with Baruch probably. Yeah something like that.

[00:02:09] We're talking about the Moabites which caught me a little bit off guard. Right because I thought all

[00:02:15] the Moabites had been wiped out previously because that's what they told us I think. At least

[00:02:19] that's how I recalled it. It was like a deep cut from like Exodus. Yeah, yeah it was. I mean

[00:02:25] definitely they were talking about them in Exodus. They might have talked about them a little bit past

[00:02:28] there but not much. Right. So I was a little thrown for a loop and then the way that God was referring

[00:02:35] to them was like almost like he talks about the Israelites. Yeah it was very weird. Like don't worry

[00:02:40] even though I'm going to kill most of you a remnant will remain and it's like why? Yeah it almost sounded

[00:02:47] dead on like the the Israelite story. Yeah. That we've been you know kind of hearing over and over

[00:02:52] again through the different prophets and different kings and what have you. Right. And I just was like okay

[00:02:57] so there's other the maybe you care about other people I don't know. I'm confused. I'm

[00:03:04] as well. What the fuck right and so anyway but he's going to kill them leave a little bit of him

[00:03:12] is going to chase him away they're going to run away they might come back and yeah so that's

[00:03:17] the Moabites. That was the Moabites. And that was chapter 48 of Jeremiah. It sure as fuck was. That

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[00:03:55] geography driven things since these are more about the geography of all the various cities

[00:04:03] lying around surrounding Israel. And I feel like if we do notes throughout these it just

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[00:06:07] All right so we are here hopping into Jeremiah chapter 49 all right and once again we are in the

[00:06:15] final stages of the book of Jeremiah yeah um the last few chapters of which are a unit of chapters

[00:06:25] that kind of go with each other but not with the rest of the book right yeah I honestly feel

[00:06:30] like it could have ended at chapter 44 and this could have been thrown in somewhere else somewhere else

[00:06:36] yeah these are all oracles directed at various nations and to make it even more confusing they

[00:06:45] are not chronologically arranged they are arranged geographically got it and so they started

[00:06:52] with the nearest and then kind of spread out from there um this is a little bit of a lengthy chapter

[00:07:00] but uh the good news is that we're gonna cover like I don't know three four five different

[00:07:05] little areas of people okay so that's fun yeah okay so against the ammonites ammonites another one

[00:07:13] I thought was gone there we go and that's that's the full sentence period against the ammonites are

[00:07:18] those are probably titles um they are intros to the chapter right that we have included

[00:07:27] in this translation that we're using the niv they are included as the actual text

[00:07:35] actual text right it's part of the verse instead of the intro to the verse got it

[00:07:40] because we don't really have that yeah so but they did this the last one too so I was like this

[00:07:45] it's gotta be something yeah title it it is it is it's an intro kind of thing or a pera

[00:07:52] something I forget what they called it before because it happened early on as well got it okay so

[00:07:57] against the ammonites thus says the lord has Israel no sons has he no heir why then does milkamp

[00:08:06] inherit gad and his people dwell in it cities so I don't know who the fuck those are

[00:08:13] I guess we will find out when we do our notes well I mean I'm assuming that like you know like

[00:08:19] Israel was supposed to inherit all this land right yeah but lately we've dwindled it down to

[00:08:24] basically Jerusalem and the surrounding land around Jerusalem to where that's the only one they've

[00:08:31] been talking about so these are like these are the remnants of the other tribes that they supposedly

[00:08:37] destroyed yeah that never actually got destroyed right so they kind of went off and did their

[00:08:42] own thing yeah yeah so milkamp and her it's gad I guess sure they live in the land where gad was

[00:08:50] supposed to live right because there's no longer the Israelites there or if there are they probably are

[00:08:57] intermingled with whatever this other group is the ammonites or whatever sure so therefore be

[00:09:03] hold the days are coming says the lord that I will cause to be heard in alarm of war in

[00:09:10] roba of the ammonites it shall be a desolate mound and her villages shall be burned with fire then

[00:09:20] Israel shall take possession of his inheritance says the lord well oh hesbon for i is plundered

[00:09:29] a i i have to stop here for just a second because we're talking about Israel taking ownership of

[00:09:35] this land and we're in the book of Jeremiah and if we're to assume that this is Jeremiah speaking

[00:09:41] or something to do with Jeremiah we're assuming that this is in the same time frame as Jeremiah right

[00:09:48] essentially okay okay so that would mean that the Babylonians are coming down on this part of the land

[00:09:55] and the Egyptians also maybe we're coming in on this part of land there was all this war happening

[00:09:59] on both sides of this land right so what the fuck are they even thinking about talking about

[00:10:06] Israel taking over this land right this sounds so out of place yeah this sounds like it should have

[00:10:10] been back and like it sounds like it's from a different part of the bible right i don't i don't buy

[00:10:16] that this is anywhere or anything to do with Jeremiah or this time period no i totally agree i totally

[00:10:22] sorry that's all no you're fine cry you daughters of rabbi gurd yourselves with sack cloth

[00:10:29] lament and run to and fro by the walls for milcom shall go into captivity with his priests and his

[00:10:37] princes together why do you boast in the valleys your flowing valley oh backsliding daughter

[00:10:45] who trusted in her treasure saying who will come against me behold i will bring fear

[00:10:51] upon you says the lord god of hosts from all those who are around you you shall be driven out everyone

[00:10:58] head long and no one will gather those who wander off but afterward i will bring back the captives

[00:11:06] of the people of amon of amon sorry yeah says the lord okay okay so he's bringing these people

[00:11:12] back too yeah okay so that's the amonites now we're gonna do edam okay all right but real quick though

[00:11:18] yeah like he's bringing back some of the amonites right they're usually going to destroy some of them

[00:11:22] again this feels very like what he talks about with the israelites it it seems to me and based on some

[00:11:28] of the stuff that we've learned about how the israelites are essentially probably just canonites

[00:11:34] and like the surrounding tribes yeah just they broke off religiously from them you know so i feel like

[00:11:43] they um could this be like a rallying cry to kind of like god still hates you but come on all the

[00:11:51] canonites right we're all kind of somewhat related way back land or something so like let's all

[00:11:56] join this this group of people for god i mean god still hates you don't get me wrong but

[00:12:02] but if you join us we might forgive you on a few generations and a couple of you might live sure yeah

[00:12:07] yeah i mean that's that's the only way i could accept that this is from the same time period maybe

[00:12:13] but even as that's the words they're using even don't match with what we're used yeah very weird

[00:12:18] like the sackcloth that was very not like i'm not saying that they still didn't use sackcloths

[00:12:24] but like the term and the way that they're using it in this this chapter feels more like some of

[00:12:29] the older books than it does this book it feels very um due to ronomy yeah yeah they talked a lot

[00:12:36] about sackcloths and how to you know mourn and all this stuff back in those books yeah it wasn't so

[00:12:42] much in Jeremiah as much i'm not saying it wasn't there right but the same terminology was not

[00:12:47] used this way yeah in Jeremiah doesn't feel like it anyway right to me yeah all right moving on

[00:12:53] yes all right against edam mm-hmm thus says the lord of hosts is wisdom no more in taemon he has

[00:13:01] counsel perished from the prudent has their wisdom vanished flee turn back dwell in the depths

[00:13:09] oh inhabitants of datin for i will bring the calamity of esau upon him esau huh wow this does very much

[00:13:18] seem like a do the one of me kind of thing yeah like the time of jaco then whatever right the time

[00:13:25] that i will punish him if grape gatherers came to you would they not leave some gleaming grapes

[00:13:32] if thieves by night would they not destroy until they have enough but i have made esau bear

[00:13:39] i have uncovered his secret places oh that's his winner man and he shall not be able to hide

[00:13:45] himself we all gonna see his winner his descendants are plundered his brethren and his neighbors

[00:13:52] and he is no more leave your fatherless children i will preserve them alive and let your widows

[00:13:59] trust in me mm-hmm for thus says the lord behold those whose judgment was not to drink of the cup

[00:14:07] have a surely drunk and are you the one who will altogether go unpunished you shall not go unpunished

[00:14:15] of course not i mean it's god right couldn't let anybody go unpunished yeah but you shall surely drink

[00:14:22] for i have sworn by myself you know me damn it says the lord yeah that bhajarah

[00:14:30] shall become a desolation a reproach a waste and a curse and all its cities shall be perpetual

[00:14:39] wastes man he loves to just destroy shit mm-hmm he's like his favorite thing to do mm-hmm

[00:14:46] i have heard a message from the lord and an ambassador has been sent to the nations

[00:14:52] gather together come against her and rise up to battle for indeed i will make you small among nations

[00:15:00] despised among men your fierceness has deceived you the pride of your heart oh you who dwell in

[00:15:08] the clefts of the rock who hold the height of the hill though you make your nest as high as the eagle

[00:15:16] i will bring you down from there says the lord okay okay eat them gets a long section

[00:15:23] oh really yeah like where do they where are they so special right eat them all so shall be an

[00:15:29] astonishment everyone who goes by it will be astonished because you know it's an astonishment

[00:15:34] almost sound verbatim to some similar words that he's used for israel yeah and and i know that

[00:15:40] these people are all somewhat related ish maybe sort of at some level and so i get it like maybe

[00:15:49] it's the same tales just being told differently right and a different vein because it's coming from

[00:15:54] this other tribe mm-hmm but it's just so weird hearing this same thing for tribes that are not

[00:16:02] israel yeah i'm kind of this it seems like a bad thing to have in the bible yeah it doesn't it

[00:16:08] doesn't hold the story together very well right it makes it very um un unreliable yeah story right

[00:16:16] like yeah um reliable in so far as historical text because yeah that tracks that all these different

[00:16:24] nations were there but as far as like how a god would behave or how goddess behaved up until now

[00:16:31] right no or how the text itself has even read like this doesn't fit anything it really doesn't

[00:16:37] everyone who goes by it will be astonished and will hiss at all its plagues

[00:16:44] in the overthrow of sedhama and gamora no sottam sorry sottam and gamora sorry that was me

[00:16:52] sottam and gamora and their neighbors says the lord no one shall remain there nor shall a son of man

[00:16:59] dwelling it behold he shall come up like a lion from the flood plain of the jordan against the dwelling

[00:17:06] place of the strong but i will suddenly make him run away from her and he who is a chosen man that

[00:17:13] I may appoint over her for who is like me who will array me and who is that shepherd who will

[00:17:22] withstand me i mean according to you nobody right yeah so why are you asking right yeah it seems

[00:17:28] like a really dumb question you're the biggest you're the best you're the tallest you're the smartest

[00:17:32] you're far smell the prettiest blah blah blah right therefore here the counsel of the lord

[00:17:38] that he has taken against edam and his purposes that he has proposed against the inhabitants

[00:17:45] of taiman surely the least of the flock shall draw them out surely he shall make their dwelling

[00:17:53] places desolate with them the earth shakes at the noise of their fall at the cry its noise is heard

[00:18:01] at the red sea behold he shall come up and fly like the eagle and spread his wings over basera

[00:18:09] god will that would okay yeah the heart of the mighty men of edam in that day shall be like the

[00:18:15] heart of the woman oh in labor in birth pains yeah okay now we're doing another section of people

[00:18:23] I would say that a heart of a woman in in birth pains as they say will be pretty fucking strong

[00:18:29] because that takes a lot of god damn mental fortitude to make it through that and you know just

[00:18:34] like you got to withstand the shit ton of pain so I would say that actually is a complement

[00:18:40] as opposed to a disparaging remark yeah but hey you know whatever I just I don't like I don't like

[00:18:47] this talk they're using it's bullshit it is bullshit so because yeah of birth pains or

[00:18:54] there's something yeah they're right up there right the god let's see we can find a birth pain

[00:18:59] simulator for you see how you fucking like it yeah because every time I've seen any of those

[00:19:05] videos and the guys come up all smug they cannot withstand it and they usually only get them up to

[00:19:11] like like one or two or three right right and they can't dial it up any further and it's like what's

[00:19:18] the highest one oh you know 10 yeah right and they can't even handle a little bit of it right so get

[00:19:23] the fuck out of here yeah okay against a mask us okay Hamoff and our pad are shamed for they have

[00:19:33] heard bad news hmm their fainthearted there's trouble on the sea it cannot be quiet

[00:19:40] hum Damascus has grown feeble poor Damascus yeah I hate it when I grow feeble she turns to flee

[00:19:47] and fear has seized her English and sorrows have taken her like a woman's labor is yeah why is

[00:19:54] the city of praise not deserted the city of my joy therefore her young men shall fall in her

[00:20:02] streets and all the men of warshabby cut off in that day says the lord of hosts are you not

[00:20:07] worshiping me the way I want you to then you will die right that seems fair have fun with that

[00:20:12] that's fair yeah I love it's such a I I know we say this all the time but like the the idea that

[00:20:22] he doesn't get enough worship so you fucking die is such a petty bullshit way to manage your

[00:20:30] peons that are fucking just little ants to you yeah like what the you're the guy we were talking

[00:20:38] we were at your parents house tonight we were talking about blowing up you know army men with M 80s

[00:20:43] this is like that yeah he's blowing up army men with M 80s only their actual people with

[00:20:48] fucking thoughts and feelings yeah when you said blowing up army guys yeah I mean sorry the

[00:20:54] little plastic army toys yeah I apologize yeah right like you know how children like yes yes

[00:21:00] yes toys toys toys sorry I yeah I apologize but yeah he's just he's he's burning ants with his

[00:21:10] magnifying glass he's you know he's from toy story right yeah it's just I I can't even respect this

[00:21:17] god that they talk about no it's just such crap he's such an abusive cocksucker honestly essentially

[00:21:23] yeah right I will kindle a fire in the wall of Damascus and it shall consume the palaces of Ben

[00:21:29] Hadad all right now we're gonna go to a different area okay the deport Damascus they barely got

[00:21:35] like they apparently aren't coming back they don't rate they're yeah okay against Kedar

[00:21:41] and against the kingdoms of Hazor which never could nether king of Babylon shall strike oh wait oh

[00:21:48] now we're back in in the right time frame I mean these are remember out of chronological order so

[00:21:53] this just happens to be one that is oh oh here we are okay you're with us all right okay

[00:22:00] the says the Lord arise go up to Kedar and devastate the men of the east their tents and their

[00:22:07] flocks they shall take away they shall take for themselves their curtains all their vessels and

[00:22:13] their camels don't you take my camel and they shall cry out to them fear is on every side flee get far

[00:22:22] away dwell in the depth so inhabitants of Hazor says the Lord for never could nether king of Babylon

[00:22:29] has taken counsel against you and has conceived a plan against you arise go up to the wealthy nation

[00:22:36] that's dwell securely says the Lord which is neither which has neither gates nor bars dwelling alone

[00:22:45] their camel shall be for booty and got love them booty camels booty camels you know they mean

[00:22:54] loot but it's more fun to think of booty but yes um when I used to babysit and change diapers I would

[00:23:04] say booty booty butt but and it just made the little guy laugh booty booty butt but booty booty butt but

[00:23:10] again again their camel shall be for booty booty butt but and the multiple of their cattle for plunder

[00:23:19] I will scatter to all the winds those in the farthest corners and I will bring their calamity from

[00:23:25] all its size says the Lord Hazor shall be a dwelling for jackals a desolation forever

[00:23:32] no one shall reside there nor son of man dwell in it yeah they nothing either right this is

[00:23:38] like copy pasted from other sections so boring honestly yeah it's hated it stumb

[00:23:45] yep so now we're in a different section okay if they get any special but like that one at least

[00:23:50] mentioned nebuchadet Hazor yeah right so you like it for that reason no I don't like it but at

[00:23:54] least I know it's not like copy pasted in here from like you know Moses' time from like 500 years

[00:24:01] ago which is what a lot of these feel like yeah and that one specifically if feel I don't know

[00:24:07] I don't know what's going on here but I'm very confused and not confused I'm I think that there's

[00:24:14] something not quite right with the wording with regard to throwing this in this book that's all I agree

[00:24:21] great all right the word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah the prophet against

[00:24:25] elum in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah okay so we're more more relevant here

[00:24:32] yeah the says the Lord of hosts behold I will break the bow of elum the foremost of their might

[00:24:40] okay against elum I will bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven and scatter them

[00:24:48] toward all those winds there shall be no more nations where the outcast of elum will not go

[00:24:54] for I will cause elum to be dismayed before their enemies and before those who seek their life

[00:25:01] I mean yes if somebody was seeking my life I would probably also be dismayed yeah yeah

[00:25:07] the same portrait of words I guess right yeah I will bring mother fucking disaster upon them

[00:25:14] my fierce fucking anger says the Lord I just I have shocked I have a spiced it up a little bit

[00:25:21] right because like how many different times can you say I'm so mead right right and I will send

[00:25:28] the sword after them until I have consumed them I will set my throne in elum and we'll destroy them

[00:25:36] from there the king and the princess as the Lord but it shall come to pass in the latter days

[00:25:41] I will bring back the captives of elum says the Lord the end there we go there we go so elum

[00:25:46] the elum gets to pass apparently not Damascus and not some other group there who cares I could scroll back

[00:25:52] up right I don't really care that much either it's um it reminds me of um king Henry the eighth

[00:26:01] the way they describe his wives it was like um beheaded beheaded died beheaded beheaded survived

[00:26:10] right right like that's what this feels like yeah describing his little nations yeah and most of

[00:26:16] which I didn't even know still existed right so like it's it's really weird this is this is all

[00:26:23] really weird mm-hmm and it's almost counterproductive right for the narrative of the Bible in my opinion

[00:26:31] like me too good working for them it's like but you guys said that God said that they were gone right

[00:26:37] yeah and I would have believed you in so far as the story goes sure sure except then you brought

[00:26:42] this back and I'm like oh so God lied then right again again again again we would you know we've

[00:26:47] literally done a contradictions episode for every single book yeah I cannot wait to do the

[00:26:52] contradictions episode for this chapter I think it's gonna be lengthy and I think it's gonna be heavy

[00:26:59] yeah I don't I don't know that I have a lot else to add here it's uh these these books are kind of

[00:27:04] bullshit or these these these chapters are kind of bullshit in my opinion yep I will be

[00:27:09] interested in the Q&A yeah and I do want to hear these out just to hear what all you know so we

[00:27:15] get through it you know we got to read it all got read it all so um yeah that was that was Jeremiah

[00:27:20] chapter 49 sure as fuck was and tomorrow we will be back with Jeremiah chapter 50 all right we'll see

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