Strap in for a blasphemous ride as we take a no-holds-barred look at the good old Book of Jeremiah, Chapter 7. In this episode of "Holy Heresy: The Podcast," your favorite irreverent hosts tackle the fire and brimstone of an ancient tantrum from the sky daddy himself. We're slicing and dicing the supposed 'word of God' with a side of snark and a full serving of skepticism. It's time to ask: Was Jeremiah just the original doomsday prepper, or was he onto something with all his talk of child BBQs and divine ultimatums?
Join us as we pick apart the age-old practice of using fear to keep the flock in line, much like modern corporations dangling the 'employee of the month' carrot in front of the donkeys. We're talking tithing, sacrifice, and the questionable management styles of the almighty. Is leading through terror really the best way to inspire devotion, or is it just the celestial version of a bad boss? Spoiler alert: we're not convinced.
Get ready for a morality check as we debate whether being good needs a god or if our ancient ancestors were just winging it with what felt right (spoiler: it involves less smiting and more empathy). We're diving into the dubious association between atheism and immorality – because apparently, without a heavenly overlord, we'd all be out on a murder spree. Newsflash: ethical behavior existed before your favorite deity came into the picture.
We'll also touch on the fun topic of child sacrifice – because nothing says 'divine love' like a burnt offering of your offspring. Don't miss our analysis of how the biblical elite somehow forgot to include 'don't kill kids' in their top ten list. As we wrap up this episode, we leave no stone unturned and no deity unchallenged.
So pour yourself a heathen brew, sit back, and enjoy the ride as we explore the less-than-saintly scriptures of Jeremiah Chapter 7. Warning: this episode might just lead to some divine retribution – or at least a few angry emails from your prayer circle.
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[00:00:00] Hey everyone, husband here.
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[00:01:44] Alright, let's go read the Bible.
[00:01:46] Yeah, let's's no good. All of your trash, your worms. Yeah, I just feel like the Israelites must have been going through a rough time with regard to people conquering them and things going on, obviously.
[00:03:01] The northern tribes are already conquered and there's people invading Judah and so they're Heycast powers the world's best podcast. Here's a show that we recommend.
[00:04:20] Do you love to read or listen to books?
[00:04:22] Is your nightstand overflowing with books you just don't have time to read?
[00:04:25] Listen to my podcast. It's really hard. Yeah, it is. Because like you're so, I mean, how long, like a month and a half we did, or Isaiah. Isaiah, yeah. And so you get so used to being in Isaiah that you're like, well obviously we're still in Isaiah, but no, no, we're in Jeremiah. Yeah. And I was saying that earlier today, I wrote the year 2023 instead of 24.
[00:05:40] Yeah.
[00:05:40] Yeah.
[00:05:41] Yeah.
[00:05:41] I don't.
[00:05:42] A failing.
[00:05:42] I don't transition very well.
[00:05:44] All right.
[00:05:46] Jeremiah, chapter seven.
[00:05:48] All right.
[00:05:49] All right. you don't die. Yeah. Which sounds like, like if you were doing something atrocious, right? I could see some like, I would have to be really fucking bad. Really fucking bad. But like, I don't feel like what they are doing wrong necessarily justifies dying. Yes, a no. Like from the notes, they're doing a lot of child sacrifice.
[00:07:00] Yeah, okay. And but the things with how much you have to beg, plead, and love and fear this God. That's all it is. He's like saying, worship me, fear me, bend on me and kiss the ring and also stop worshiping
[00:08:24] other gods and killing children. historians, the scholars, the apologists especially, are finding these other reasons in history and using them as a reason possibly as to why it's okay. I'm gonna push back on that. Okay, all right. I'm gonna push back on that because the apologists, yes. They are bending all the truths and looking for reasons.
[00:09:44] The historian scholars and academics, they are not.
[00:09:48] They are telling you, That's what you protest. That's that's what I protest. Okay. Sorry. I wasn't following and just wanted to clarify Yeah, no, I mean I was gonna get there eventually but it would have been yeah got it got it. Okay. Yeah The apologists suck always yeah Do not trust in deceptive words and say this is the temple of the Lord the temple of the Lord the temple of the Lord
[00:11:03] Okay
[00:12:05] to borrow and follow other gods you have not known. See he's covering more Ten Commandments stuff. And then come and stand before me in this house which
[00:12:10] bears my name and say we are safe safe to do all these detestable things. Has
[00:12:16] this house which bears my name become a den of robbers to you? But I have been
[00:12:22] watching declares the Lord. So you saw what I did over there. I'm about to happen to you here. Yep. Unless y'all get in line real quick. And you're about out of time.
[00:13:40] Right.
[00:13:41] Yeah.
[00:13:42] So do not pray for this people nor were doing things that did harm them. But that includes for Yahweh.
[00:15:01] Yeah.
[00:15:02] Like not, they weren't sacrificing children for Yahweh,
[00:15:05] but they were giving up food.
[00:15:07] Oh, they can't afford to buy a house much less, you know, do things, go almost enjoys it sometimes. And I'm like, oh man, like chill. Like you're not supposed to get off on this guy. Right, right. Okay, so we're in a new section now. Okay, yep. This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel says, go ahead, add your burnt offerings
[00:17:41] to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves
[00:17:44] for when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt
[00:17:46] and spoke to manage, in my opinion. Of course. But then there's micromanagement. Then there's more than two ways. But I mean, these are the two I'm talking about.
[00:19:00] But that's the most amazing thing
[00:19:01] about what it comes down to, though.
[00:19:02] But the micromanagement just loses the over,
[00:19:04] you don't have that inspiration,
[00:19:05] you don't have that, that,
[00:19:07] behind that message that the manager know how to lead. And I would include God in that list. Yes. God does not know how to fucking leave. Definitely. He is leading incorrectly. Yeah. If you come in with a power trippy bullshitty, because I said so attitude, I will do the bare minimum because I don't care. You have not given me a reason to care. But if you come in and, you know, like if I ask
[00:20:22] questions and you explain, Oh, well, I could religion kind of pitches this. But I don't like the idea that humans, people are inherently evil. Right. Like that is such a shit way to talk to people, right? Like you were inherently evil and the only reason you can rise above that is because you
[00:21:40] fear and worship a God.
[00:21:42] And I might, I've had people ask me, you know, how do you keep from, you know, going out and murdering people if you don't believe in God? Right. And I'm like, the fact that you have to ask that is horrifying. But okay, let's, let's play that game. Okay. You say that I can't have morals.
[00:23:00] Okay. So therefore then I will rely purely that that person doesn't feel that that's correct. Right. And that is their own moral compass. And look, that's awful. Right. As far as what I am concerned and you were concerned and probably most of our listeners are concerned, I hope. I definitely hope that most of you agree that murdering people will actually is totally evil,
[00:24:25] bad and wrong. Like, I'm not allowed to have my own moral compass that says that because you religious people have taken that from me. Fine. Here's why. There's a logical reason not to. On top of your stupid, whiny baby, God said not to. But the truth is even when they're telling you that they have a basis for their morality, there is it's based on their idea of what God is and their feelings about what God is.
[00:25:44] It has nothing to do with any facts.
[00:25:47] There are no facts there. religious people than not that are out there being pedophiles. Right. Yeah. Well, and that's something that gets shared in the atheist circles all the time. Right. How many pastors and priests and things like that are actually getting arrested for pedophilia and different awful crime, the embezzlement. Yeah. There's different like moral failings. Yeah. You know, so it's obviously
[00:27:02] nothing to do with, because these are people that are higher up in their,
[00:28:05] that have been just on every single, everything, everything.
[00:28:08] The commercials are doing our betting thing, bet with us, bet with us.
[00:28:09] And then at the end, it's always have a betting problem.
[00:28:11] Double, double, double, double, double, plus.
[00:28:13] And it's like, you're literally trying to talk people
[00:28:17] with betting problems into betting
[00:28:19] and then telling them that there is help
[00:28:22] for their betting problem at the end of your commercial
[00:28:26] in the fastest language possible into these guys because they are the ones talking to you because you don't talk to everybody. Right, you want to talk to your office? If these are the ones talking to you and they suck, then there's bigger issues here and you probably shouldn't kill everybody because you started the top guy. Your guys that were in charge of delivering your message failed.
[00:29:40] Right.
[00:29:41] So, so shoot the messenger.
[00:29:43] Right.
[00:29:44] In this case, yeah.
[00:29:46] When you tell them all this, we know. Right. Yeah. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my name and have to file it. Rawr. Man, the idols are in the for the birds and the wild animals. This is gross. And there will be no one to frighten them away. Like, I swear, like even today, people like the end of the world profits. Like they're like, they flocked to them. They're like, oh, yeah, the end of the world.
[00:33:40] That's awesome.
[00:33:41] Like, what?
[00:33:42] Wait, why?
[00:33:43] Why is that fucking awesome?
[00:33:45] Because they believe in the whatever the world to come. is I'm watching it spread, we need to get this stuff and then everybody was like poo-pooing me and poo-pooing me and then I was like I saw the grocery store everybody else was starting to buy the stuff and the shelves were empty and then my sister was like um no it's ridiculous this isn't happening but then she went that same day and bought like 10 packages of toilet
[00:35:03] paper because she was like well I mean it's ridiculous but I might as well do what everybody But I guess I feel like maybe and I don't know enough about the history of the prophets or how this all panned out exactly But what I feel is happening. They already knew that the northern tribes have been taken over right? They knew that these tribes from the north were closing in on them and we're gonna start like they were hitting their outer towns and different things like that they knew they were coming for them, right? Yeah, and these prophets Jeremiah specifically is
[00:36:24] like hey, this thing is gonna happen and
[00:37:26] I don't know that Jeremiah was getting paid for doing like I don't know that it made a difference to his pocketbook, but
[00:37:30] I could believe that that would possibly be the case, you know Yeah, so I don't want to I don't want to say that with conviction that I knew that that was going on
[00:37:34] Especially when we know that he came from a wealthy family, right?
[00:37:37] But wealthy people like to get more wealthy sure, you know, that is true
[00:37:43] Yeah, no, you're absolutely 100% right
[00:38:43] And that's when this address is supposed to have taken place.
[00:38:43] I got you.
[00:38:44] Okay.
[00:38:48] And, um, further down, let me see.
[00:38:53] I already talked about the six of the 10 commandments that he accused the people of breaking.
[00:38:55] Yep.
[00:38:55] Okay.
[00:38:56] Now going down to the Tofit, Tofit, um, you know, that was in the same
[00:39:02] sentence as the Valley of Hymn.
[00:39:04] Right.
[00:39:05] Okay.
[00:40:00] Yeah. And it's like, no, no, no, it's gross,
[00:40:03] whether it's on Sacred Holy Ground or not.
[00:40:05] Right, yeah.
[00:40:06] Killing children is always bad.
[00:40:07] Yeah.
[00:40:08] Period.
[00:40:08] The end.
[00:40:09] Full stop.
[00:40:09] Right.
[00:40:10] Like, I think maybe you're not saying the message right.
[00:40:14] Yeah.
[00:40:14] Maybe that's why.
[00:40:16] Yeah, some of that, some of those, the moral messaging gets lost and how they say these
[00:40:22] things in the Bible.
[00:40:24] Stop killing the children here.
[00:40:25] No, stop killing the children period.
[00:40:28] Yeah.
[00:40:28] Period. Which means that tomorrow we'll be back with Jeremiah chapter 8. Alright we'll see you guys then. Bye! Hey wife, I guess that's the end. But husband that's just sad. It doesn't have to be, we are on lots of social media platforms like Twitter.
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