Lilith

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Anyway. So today I think we're doing something a little special. 

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We are. We didn't have a specific Q&A because we're in the middle of Psalms and they are what they are. 

05:33 - Husband (Host)
Right. But, we came across a subject that really peaked your interest. 

05:38 - Wife (Host)
Well, I had been seeing. I was interested in learning a little bit more about Lilith and what the fuck that was and who she is and what she be. 

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Right, and I don't think it was even in the Psalm. It just was something that got touched on in a note, in a note about the Psalm. 

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And I was like boom, there it is Okay. 

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So that's our Q&A. 

05:58 - Wife (Host)
We're learning about Lilith today it's Lilith. It's an intro to Lilith. 

06:02 - Husband (Host)
Intro to Lilith. Yeah, she's like too big to cover, I feel like, if you say Lilith too many times, you might like stop fucking it, you might start fucking it up. 

06:12 - Wife (Host)
Kind of like if you look in the, look in the mirror and you say bloody Mary. 

06:17 - Husband (Host)
Too many times Well, that's a, that's a, yeah, whatever urban myth right, yeah, okay, I recommend we all do that tonight. 

06:28 - Wife (Host)
The mothman's coming to get you. 

06:30 - Husband (Host)
That's how that works. Yeah, All right. So we're gonna be doing a Q&A on Lilith. Ready to get into this? Yes, let's do it. 

06:37 - Wife (Host)
Okie dokie. Okay, so let us do this intro to Lilith intro to Lilith. Lilith 101 Okay, kind of thing. Yeah, so there could easily be another At some point. 

07:00 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, lilith, like 102 or 201 201. Yeah right, however, that works sure 101 201 301. 

07:09 - Wife (Host)
Isn't that how that works? 

07:10 - Husband (Host)
right. 

07:10 - Wife (Host)
Yeah, they don't do 101, 102 and 103. 

07:14 - Husband (Host)
Lilith, the second coming. 

07:17 - Wife (Host)
More Lilith. So Lilith is not really in the Bible, except for one place maybe that I will mention in a minute. 

07:28 - Husband (Host)
Okay. 

07:28 - Wife (Host)
Yeah, but first of all she is a female demonic figure of Mesopotamian mythology and eventually became a part of Jewish folklore. Okay and her name and personality are thought to be derived from the class of Mesopotamian wind and storm demons called Lilu Lilu Lailu got it. Liloh and stitch, just kidding. And the feminine of the Lilu would be Lilitu. 

08:00 - Husband (Host)
Okay. 

08:00 - Wife (Host)
Okay, and that was around Circa 3000 BCE in Sumer. Wow, sumerian, yeah, yeah, and the name Lilith is usually translated as night monster. Huh, the Lilith to these storm demons. Yeah we're said to prey upon children and women and were described as associated with lions, storms, the desert, illness, disease and death. 

08:30 - Husband (Host)
Wow, we don't have a good reputation there. 

08:32 - Wife (Host)
No, they are not, and that's why we'll get into that a little bit more. 

08:37 - Husband (Host)
Wonder Adam was like fuck this shit. 

08:39 - Wife (Host)
No, no, absolutely not no, you would have been so lucky Okay. 

08:44 - Husband (Host)
All right. 

08:45 - Wife (Host)
So early portrayals of the Lilith to are known as having bird talents for feet and wings, which makes me think of harpies right, yeah, right yeah which, that's, you know, a Greek origin right. So you can see how these stories all just kind of like one together each other yeah. She is also later associated with sexual temptation right, I mean obviously right. Everything has to do with a man's wiener, Obviously duh. 

09:16 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, that's where the whole world revolves around, isn't? 

09:18 - Wife (Host)
it Mm-hmm, I figured. Babylonian texts depict Lilith as the prostitute of the goddess Ishtar. Oh so she makes early appearances in the Gilgamesh stories. Okay, but not necessarily in the name Lilith that's interesting, because Gilgamesh doesn't. 

09:37 - Husband (Host)
Isn't that like where? 

09:38 - Wife (Host)
The original like stories and like the original flood story and all that kind of stuff. Mm-hmm. A lot, a lot of the early stories Come from, or spun off of, gilgamesh got it yes absolutely. Okay similarly older Sumerian account state that Lilith is called a handmaiden of Inanna, and I would have to do a lot more research that direction because I'm not even familiar with the name Inanna. 

10:07 - Husband (Host)
I am not either but she's another. Sumerian. So that's for Lilith 2.0. 

10:12 - Wife (Host)
Yeah exactly, just that's a name. Tuck that away in your little brain hole and we will maybe speak on her another day. Yeah, okay, lilith's name is not included in the creation story of the Torah, aside from the debatable translation of one stray reference Comparing her to a screech owl. Hmm but as I said, that translation is extremely questionable got it Okay she does appear in several Midrash texts, though remember the Midrash is writings about the Torah right right. So she's not in the Torah, but she is in a lot of these early supplemental and the folklore got carried on to them, writing about the Torah and these other tales. 

11:00 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, it's always interesting to me when I find out about these like things that are Bible adjacent. Yes you know, like it's very. It's weird how, how it's such a part of the overall culture of that religious thinking, but like not actually in it. 

11:18 - Wife (Host)
Right, right. So like we all know about Lilith, but she's not really in the Bible. 

11:25 - Husband (Host)
Right. So not a lot of people know why. They know a lot about why they know of. 

11:29 - Wife (Host)
Lilith Right, other than, as you pointed out, off recording Lilith Fair Sure, because she has come to be known as a very feminist icon, which I'll get into in a little bit. 

11:42 - Husband (Host)
Okay. 

11:42 - Wife (Host)
So let's talk about Lilith's origins, as she is most renowned today. 

11:47 - Husband (Host)
Okay. 

11:48 - Wife (Host)
One story of Lilith's origin began with the biblical reference to man's first creation as a bisexual being, male and female. He, god, created them, the first human Interesting. So yeah, this, we had a pastor who had studied this a lot, yeah that he kind of subscribed to this early theory of man and woman being one combined being. 

12:14 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, no, I remember him talking about that. He was talking about the basically had two faces and whatnot. 

12:20 - Wife (Host)
So yeah. 

12:21 - Husband (Host)
Yeah. 

12:22 - Wife (Host)
Some early rabbis thought this image was somewhat similar to what Aristophanes proposed A dual-bodied being later divided into two, who must thereafter seek each other out. And that's where the idea of the soulmate comes from, because you have found your quote unquote other half. Got it and that is a great beautiful story for heterosexual relationships, sure, but others tried to take into account the later creation of Eve, detailed further on in the text. If woman was created from Adam after his initial creation, what happened to the female created at first? Sure, Right. 

13:03
Yeah, the answer, according to the midrash, was that she was Lilith. Okay, she was created with Adam and she refused to comply with Adam's demand that she submit herself to him and we'll talk about what that means in a bit. Okay, and in the end, she fled from him by using the ineffable name oh, god's secret, private magic name. 

13:25 - Husband (Host)
It's like an escape hatch for the world. 

13:29 - Wife (Host)
Okay, yeah, she pulled that plug and was like bam. 

13:33 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, how did she have this knowledge, but Adam didn't? 

13:35 - Wife (Host)
They both did. They had it because they had it. 

13:41 - Husband (Host)
Did God take this knowledge away from Adam or? He just never used it. 

13:46 - Wife (Host)
He didn't need to have it. He had everything except for Lilith. Got it but he did then complain to God about his loneliness, and so that's why the creation of Eve followed together with the fall and the expulsion from Eden. Now Adam, blaming their situation on Eve, he's like God, damn it bitch. First one left me and you couldn't even stop eating apples all day, that's bullshit. 

14:09 - Husband (Host)
He was right there, I know. According to the text, the Bible that we were reading, he was standing right there. 

14:13 - Wife (Host)
He was right there and anyway we argued about this early on because we were like, hang on a sec. Eve was not specifically there when God was delivering the. You can eat everything except the fruit of those trees. And how much do we trust a man to deliver that message either at all or at the very least correctly, if I did mention it to her. 

14:34 - Husband (Host)
They never followed up to say that God covered it with Eve too. 

14:37 - Wife (Host)
And I'm sorry, but man who I have been married to more than once, cannot find the fucking butter in the fridge. So you know, if it ain't on the top shelf he's like do we have any honey? We're out of Honey. Did you buy more? Because you know man doesn't know how to move shit around and look behind or on the bottom. 

14:58 - Husband (Host)
Guilty. 

14:58 - Wife (Host)
So yeah, yeah, you are. 

15:00 - Husband (Host)
I know, I just said I was you have done it more than once. I'm aware of that. 

15:04 - Wife (Host)
Yeah, and so I do not trust man to deliver this message accurately if at all. So, anyway, he's blaming their situation on Eve, and so he separated from her and for a time reunited with Lilith, before finally returning. 

15:20 - Husband (Host)
Yeah. Yeah, he cheated on Eve with Lilith. 

15:25 - Wife (Host)
They weren't like quote unquote, married. 

15:27 - Husband (Host)
Come on now in this story right? 

15:30 - Wife (Host)
He is like bitch left me because she wouldn't submit to me and so now I'm lonely, so give me another woman. God gave him Eve, and so you know they are together. But then Eve fucks up and so they get kicked out and he's like God damn it, lilith, can you believe this bitch over here? And she's like I know. 

15:50 - Husband (Host)
And so they got back together. What an asshole. 

15:52 - Wife (Host)
So Lilith bore Adam a number of children in that interval who became the demons oh yeah, damn. Now, after Adam's reconciliation with Eve, Lilith assumed the queenship of those demons, and in some versions she is either the consort of Samayel or in others she remains unpartnered and Samayel is one of her children. 

16:15 - Husband (Host)
Okay, so who knows yeah? 

16:17 - Wife (Host)
As queen of the demons. She kills babies in their cribs and that's the explanation early on for SIDS sudden infant death syndrome. Got it Like they attributed that to Lilith. 

16:29 - Husband (Host)
Got it. 

16:29 - Wife (Host)
But only in the first days of their life. 

16:32 - Husband (Host)
Okay, yeah. 

16:33 - Wife (Host)
And I'll talk a little bit more about that as well. Sure, her greatest opportunity. Oh no, I'm gonna talk about it right now. 

16:39 - Husband (Host)
Oh yeah. 

16:40 - Wife (Host)
Her greatest opportunity is with infant boys, before their circumcision, on the eighth day after they're born. 

16:47 - Husband (Host)
Okay. 

16:47 - Wife (Host)
So they get born and then you know they go eight days and then they get circumcised. Yeah, and she's like I got eight days to try to get this baby. I'm gonna kill it. 

16:59 - Husband (Host)
What happens if it dies on the night day? 

17:01 - Wife (Host)
Then that's not her fault. Okay, so in addition to that, she still produces children, according to a much later Kabbalistic elaboration. Remember, we learned about Kabbalah a little bit yeah. Yeah, yeah, A little bit yeah. And there are stories that say that she's still producing children. 

17:19 - Husband (Host)
And demons, yeah. 

17:21 - Wife (Host)
And these demons are the children of men, as her original offspring were the children of Adam Lilith, being impregnated by the semen produced by masturbation and nocturnal emissions. 

17:34 - Husband (Host)
Oh damn, she must have a lot of kids. 

17:35 - Wife (Host)
She's a humper, fuck yeah, we'll get into how many kids she has, like all the time. Yeah, okay. 

17:41 - Husband (Host)
This is why the Bible doesn't want you to masturbate, huh. 

17:43 - Wife (Host)
Yes. 

17:44 - Husband (Host)
They're just creating little demons all over the place. That is correct. That is correct, yeah. 

17:49 - Wife (Host)
So that's one story, okay. 

17:50 - Husband (Host)
Sure. 

17:51 - Wife (Host)
Sure. Then there's another story, and it's very similar, okay. Another story of Lilith's origin says that God created man and woman in his own image on the sixth day, giving them charge over the world. But Eve was not yet there, remember. 

18:06 - Husband (Host)
Yeah. 

18:07 - Wife (Host)
This was just Adam at first right. God had said Adam to name every bird beast and other living thing. What's going? 

18:13 - Husband (Host)
to take it for fucking ever. 

18:14 - Wife (Host)
Well, not back then there wasn't a lot alive. 

18:16 - Husband (Host)
But I mean so what? He didn't make everything at first. 

18:19 - Wife (Host)
No, they weren't all there yet. 

18:20 - Husband (Host)
God still didn't work after the seven days. 

18:22 - Wife (Host)
Evolution wasn't there yet, remember, so that's how it was. Remember, incest was okay because germs didn't exist yet that's what somebody said on Twitter. 

18:30 - Husband (Host)
On. 

18:30 - Wife (Host)
Twitter, yeah, yeah. So I'm just taking that and I'm running with it. And sex with everything was fine to the point that listen to this Uh-huh. I'm listening Before him and pairs male and female. Adam, being already like a 20-year-old man, felt jealous of their love and though he tried coupling with each female creature Damn bestiality he found no satisfaction in the act. Well yeah, I can't get no satisfaction in fucking an owl or a goat or a horse or a cow or a pig. 

19:04
He therefore cried every creature has a proper mate, yet man alone. And he prayed God would remedy this injustice. So God then formed Lilith, the first woman, just as he had formed Adam, except that instead of just pure dust he also used a bit of filth and sediment, because of course, Of course, yeah, right. Yeah, because women are disgusting and they're made of trash. 

19:28
Yeah, right, so in the first one they were created at the same time as a creature, that was like torn in two, and in the second he was created first and she was created second, but they were still made of the same thing, kind of sort of. 

19:44 - Husband (Host)
I feel like there's like a million different versions of the creation story there are there are, and I'm only getting into a couple of them here, Sure, okay. 

19:52 - Wife (Host)
So from Adam's union with the demoness Lilith and with another like her, named Naama, spring as modious and innumerable demons that still plague mankind. 

20:05 - Husband (Host)
Oh no. 

20:06 - Wife (Host)
Yeah, yeah. Many generations later, lilith and Naama come to Solomon's judgment seat disguised as harlots of Jerusalem, yeah, so they were there, okay, yeah. Now Adam and Lilith never found peace together, for when he wished to lie with her, she took offense at the recumbent position he demanded. He's like bitch get down. And she was like uh, so no. 

20:33 - Husband (Host)
Right, maybe I've heard this kind of before. 

20:35 - Wife (Host)
Yeah, like a few times, but not like every time. She's like we're equals, right, why do I have to? And he's like but you were made of trash too. And she's like but I'm not, though, right. So she's like why must I lie beneath you? I also was made from dust and I'm therefore you're equal. 

20:53 - Husband (Host)
Yeah. 

20:55 - Wife (Host)
And anyway I don't really understand, like what man doesn't want to be mounted occasionally? But okay, whatever, I don't claim to know what men want, whatever. So anyway, because Adam tried to compel her obedience by force, which I think is another way of saying he fucking tried to rape her, or did rape her Right. Like, let's say it what it is. 

21:19 - Husband (Host)
Sure, when you take someone by force, yeah, that's called rape. Right yeah. 

21:26 - Wife (Host)
Lilith. In a rage a rightful rage, I as a human being would add a rightful rage uttered the ineffable name of God, rose into the air and left him. She's like fuck this, I'm out. 

21:38 - Husband (Host)
Damn. 

21:38 - Wife (Host)
I don't chuck with rape. 

21:40 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

21:42 - Wife (Host)
And Adam then complained to God I've been deserted by my, help me why. 

21:46 - Husband (Host)
And of course, god or Adam probably didn't get chastised for, you know, raping Lilith. 

21:50 - Wife (Host)
He doesn't come off looking so pretty, but he also doesn't get chastised. 

21:53 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

21:54 - Wife (Host)
So God at once and three angels named Senoi, Sansenoi and Semengaloff to fetch Lilith back. 

22:04 - Husband (Host)
Oh damn. 

22:05 - Wife (Host)
Yeah, and the angels found the demonist beside the Red Sea, which was a region naturally abounding in Lyschivia's demons because of course that's what happens at the Red Sea Sure Right. So in Lyschivia's demons she bore Lilith or demons, at the rate of more than 100 per day. 

22:29 - Husband (Host)
What the fuck, it's like a fucking pussy machine gun. Yeah, yeah. 

22:39 - Wife (Host)
Like suddenly I'm like, oh, this bitch a human, Okay, never mind. And so these angels were like, bitch, you need to return to Adam without delay or we will fucking drown you. She asked how can I return to Adam and live like an honest housewife after my stay beside the Red Sea? She's like I'm getting everything I need right here, Thank you. 

22:59 - Husband (Host)
No, thanks yeah. 

23:02 - Wife (Host)
She's like I get to fuck on top, on the bottom, upside down, left and right, and I get to have all these fucking babies. Get the fuck out of here. I don't need Adam. 

23:09 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

23:10 - Wife (Host)
So they're like it's going to be your death to refuse. Okay, she says how can I die when God has ordered me to take charge of all newborn children? No-transcript Boys up to the eighth day of life, which is that of circumcision, and girls up to the 20th day. Okay, okay, I've got eight days to kill a boy, or 20 days to kill a girl. 

23:31 - Husband (Host)
Got it. 

23:32 - Wife (Host)
Nonetheless, because you're up here in my face, if I ever see your three names or similar likenesses displayed on an amulet above a newborn child, I promise to spare it. And so, after promising to spare them, if she sees those names, for years after this whole story came into prominence yeah, even sometimes today you will still see the names of those angels on amulets that are hanging above baby's crib or given to children to protect them. Interesting Okay. 

24:08
So, they agreed to this. But God punished Lilith by making 100 of her demon children perish daily, and if she could not destroy a human infant because of the angelic amulet, she would spitefully turn against her own. 

24:24 - Husband (Host)
Oh. 

24:24 - Wife (Host)
So she is not just associated with lust and you know, going after men and stealing their sperm. She's also associated with taking children, killing children, having children like by the handfuls. 

24:41 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, and then some. 

24:42 - Wife (Host)
Right, yeah, so the children of Lilith are sometimes. We're moving on to a different story now. 

24:48 - Husband (Host)
Okay, yeah. 

24:49 - Wife (Host)
So the children of Lilith are sometimes identified as incubi and succubi. I think we all know what those are, but just in case you weren't aware, an incubus is a demon in male form that seeks to have sexual intercourse with sleeping women, and the corresponding spirit in female form is called a succubus. 

25:09 - Husband (Host)
Got it. 

25:10 - Wife (Host)
Okay, and she has been referred to as a succubus in various other stories because she, you know, tries to fuck sleeping men. 

25:18 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

25:18 - Wife (Host)
And, of course, these succubus and incubus. They only fuck the opposite. 

25:24 - Husband (Host)
Sex, homosexuality is not even a thing in this world of demons and demons. 

25:31 - Wife (Host)
Okay, Imagine, if they, like, got their hands on that, how bad they could make it. But they didn't even imagine such a. Thing. 

25:37 - Husband (Host)
Right, right. 

25:38 - Wife (Host)
So in medieval Europe, union with an incubus was thought by some to result in the birth of witches, demons and deformed human offspring, and the legendary magician Merlin, like from the Arthur stories, Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, Excalibur. All of that right, Merlin was said to have been fathered by an incubus. 

26:02 - Husband (Host)
Interesting Right yeah. 

26:03 - Wife (Host)
Which off topic, the movie Excalibur is one of the best Arthur movies ever and you should totally see it. If you haven't and I don't think you have, and I keep trying to make you watch- it Because the best one is Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail. 

26:19
The best comedy one. Yes, I totally agree with you. But the movie Excalibur is just so great Like it. It gets into the whole mythology of the sword and I mean he throws it to the lady of the lake at the end and the music at that scene is just so fantastic. And like you see the dead Arthur Pen Dragon carried away in a burning pyre and you see the druids of Avalon, basically like they'll come again another day, kind of like Jesus you know, like they're waiting for him to return, and it's just such a good movie. 

26:57
Sure, such a good movie. 

26:59 - Husband (Host)
Just in case anyone's wondering though we could use some shrubbery here at our new house. 

27:04 - Wife (Host)
What. 

27:04 - Husband (Host)
Shrubbery. Just a nice shrubbery, you know. 

27:07 - Wife (Host)
Why do we need a nice shrubbery? 

27:08 - Husband (Host)
Oh, my God. 

27:10 - Wife (Host)
Okay, wait, is this a Monty Python reference? And. 

27:14 - Husband (Host)
I'm like so caught up in Excalibur that I'm like, yes, okay, the Knights who say me the Knights who say me you're right. 

27:22 - Wife (Host)
The Knights who say me Right, yeah, those Knights, yes, okay, but okay, you should definitely see Monty Python, but you should also see Excalibur, so good. So good. Okay, the word incubus is derived from the Latin incubus for nightmare, and incubare to lie upon, weigh upon or brood. And I don't think that they mean brood, like the way Batman is a broody motherfucker. I think they mean brood as in like having a million babies. 

27:55 - Husband (Host)
Sure. 

27:55 - Wife (Host)
Like a rabbit's brood. 

27:57 - Husband (Host)
Got, it Got it. 

27:59 - Wife (Host)
So in modern psychological usage the term has been applied to the type of nightmare that gives one the feeling of a heavy weight or oppression on the chest and stomach, which now we know that that's more likely associated with sleep apnea. 

28:14 - Husband (Host)
Or sleep paralysis. 

28:16 - Wife (Host)
Sleep paralysis, which again is probably associated with sleep apnea. 

28:19 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, yeah. 

28:20 - Wife (Host)
So not being able to get enough oxygen while you're sleeping. 

28:23 - Husband (Host)
Sure. 

28:23 - Wife (Host)
And so a lot of people will like imagine a witch or hag like figure at the foot of their bed or sitting on their chest. 

28:34 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

28:34 - Wife (Host)
And so, because this is so common throughout history, this breathing condition during sleep, they didn't realize that? No, that thing that you're imagining and hallucinating is not lack of oxygen. Obviously it's a witch. Obviously, she's trying to steal your semen if you're a man, and who knows what she's doing to you if you're a woman? 

28:55 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

28:55 - Wife (Host)
And she is clearly a succubus. Yeah, you know that's just what it is. 

29:02 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

29:03 - Wife (Host)
So early rabbinic sources were content to see Lilith as the archetype of the bad woman. Sure, I mean we're always looking for that scapegoat. Who's not a goat? 

29:15 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, right. 

29:16 - Wife (Host)
Yeah, somebody's got to bear the brunt of evil. It can't be a man, it can't always be a goat, it's got to be a woman. Right, right, there was a cult associated with Lilith that survived as late as the 7th century. Oh and yeah, I just thought that was amazing. Honestly, I would have thought that it lasted even longer, because humans are so fucking stupid and gullible and stupid. 

29:41 - Husband (Host)
Yeah. 

29:41 - Wife (Host)
But no, up through the 7th century they follow. You know kind of like how there are like Satanic tribes and they like Sure. You know, go Satan or whatever, hail Satan. 

29:52 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

29:52 - Wife (Host)
They were like Hail Lilith. 

29:54 - Husband (Host)
Got it. 

29:54 - Wife (Host)
Okay, due to Lilith's supposed independence from Adam, she's been called the world's first feminist. 

30:02 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, hence Lilith Fair. 

30:04 - Wife (Host)
Yeah, and that's where Lilith Fair comes from which is a gathering of contemporary women singers. And so great, such a great gathering of artists. 

30:18 - Husband (Host)
Yeah. 

30:20 - Wife (Host)
I know I've got a couple playlists that are from Lilith Fair live events that are just brilliant. 

30:27 - Husband (Host)
Moreover, great branding for that type of event. 

30:30 - Wife (Host)
Yes, absolutely, yeah, absolutely so. Modern feminists, especially Jewish feminists, have tried to show her as the ideal woman instead of, as you know, the trash woman or the bad woman, right yeah? And they draw particularly on her spurning of Adam's attempted dominance. Again, let's call it what it is rape. Yeah. And she was like absolutely not bitch-by. 

30:57 - Husband (Host)
Well, to be fair, god made them both Mm-hmm. So who's to say who was right? Exactly, Lilith just ran away. Yeah, so yeah. 

31:06 - Wife (Host)
So another thing that's cool is that I was trying to find if it's still in existence today. I don't think it's run anymore, but there was a Jewish magazine for women, by women, about women, called Lilith. Oh okay, and I would love to see that. Come back and make a resurgence but, you know, good luck. 

31:28 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

31:28 - Wife (Host)
Because men are trash. If it sounds like I come across as a man-hater, I kind of am, but I don't apologize for it, and if it's not for you I get it. But also like, okay, the biggest sign of being a boomer is that if I say, uh, boomers, and you're like not all people are boomers, I hate it when you call me a boomer because and like there are people that are like, oh, I hate it when you call me a Karen because and I'm like you don't have to be quote unquote a boomer if you happen to fall into that age range. 

32:09 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

32:09 - Wife (Host)
And you don't have to be all Karen if your name is Karen, and you don't have to be a piece of shit man if I talk about. Men are trash. 

32:19 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

32:19 - Wife (Host)
Like we understand not all boomers, not all Karen's and not all men. 

32:25 - Husband (Host)
Right. 

32:26 - Wife (Host)
That is obvious. So, yes, I'm a man-hater because men are trash. I'm not asking prove me wrong. That's not what my tirade is about and that's not a challenge. That is where I stand. But yes, I know many lovely men, my husband among them. 

32:46 - Husband (Host)
Yay. 

32:48 - Wife (Host)
So there you have it. That is Lilith 101. 

32:52 - Husband (Host)
101. All right. 

32:54 - Wife (Host)
So much more I could have gone with. I mean vampires, vampires, Vampires. I'm just putting that out there. Yeah. Lilith, first vampire. Okay. 

33:04 - Husband (Host)
I'm not even sure that I'm going to call this episode. You know Q&A. 

33:07 - Wife (Host)
It wasn't, it's Lilith, lilith 101. 

33:10 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, yeah, so that was Lilith. 

33:12 - Wife (Host)
Yeah, I mean, I put you on a cliffhanger so that maybe we can do another Lilith eventually, like 201. It'd be fun. 

33:20 - Husband (Host)
Yeah. 

33:20 - Wife (Host)
Yeah. 

33:21 - Husband (Host)
All right. Well, thank you everybody for joining us today and we've got our kids graduation Sunday today, for most of you probably, so we'll be back on Monday with oh shit, I caught Wife Off Guard here. 

33:36 - Wife (Host)
But whatever the new Psalms are, which I want to say is Psalms 313233. 

33:42 - Husband (Host)
No, I don't think we're that far yet. 

33:43 - Wife (Host)
Are we? No, let me see, hold on, I'm almost positive, I'm almost positive. 

33:48 - Husband (Host)
We're not that far. 

33:49 - Wife (Host)
No, we are, we are, we are. Yeah, we did 282930 last time. Oh my, okay, we're at 313233. Okay, who wants to say? Sorry, trashman. 

33:59 - Husband (Host)
Uh, I don't, Anybody you, anybody you, sorry, okay, all right, bye everybody. 

34:04 - Wife (Host)
Bye. 

34:12 - Husband (Host)
Hey Wife. I guess that's the end. 

34:14 - Wife (Host)
But husband, that's just sad. 

34:16 - Husband (Host)
It doesn't have to be. We are on lots of social media platforms like Twitter. Our handle there is sacrilegiousunderscored 4D's nuts oh my God, Stop doing that. Anyway, we're also on Facebook, Instagram and Pinterest. There's a link to all of our social media sites at our website. 

34:32 - Wife (Host)
Ooh, we have a website. 

34:33 - Husband (Host)
Yeah, it's sacrilegiousdiscoursecom, where you can also find a link to our merch shop. 

34:37 - Wife (Host)
We have a merch shop. 

34:38 - Husband (Host)
Yep, we have podcast-themed clothing, mugs, notebooks and more, as well as an atheist and science-themed products. 

34:44 - Wife (Host)
Wow, our fans should really go check that out right now. 

34:47 - Husband (Host)
Definitely they can get in touch with us by sending an email to sacrilegiousdiscourse at gmailcom, but before they do that, we could really use some help. 

34:55 - Wife (Host)
Oh yeah, with what? 

34:56 - Husband (Host)
Well, it's not free running the podcast and we need some financial support in order to get better equipment which will free up time so we can concentrate on our podcast and our fans. 

35:05 - Wife (Host)
Okay, so what should they do? 

35:06 - Husband (Host)
Head over to patreoncom forward, slash sacrilegiousdiscourse and sign up as a contributor on our podcast. Supporters there receive additional biweekly episodes that we record just for our Patreon members for as little as $2 a month. 

35:18 - Wife (Host)
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35:24 - Husband (Host)
And Apple Podcast reviews help us out tremendously. 

35:26 - Wife (Host)
Like and subscribe. Leave an Apple review. Join us on Twitter. Support us on Patreon. That's a lot of instructions. Don't forget to say thanks, thanks, okay, bye. 

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