Bible Study for Atheists - Genesis Bonus Episode

[00:00:00] Husband, Yes wife, Let's Read the Bible. But we're atheists, why would we want to do such a thing? Because we live in small town USA and everyone around us puts this thing extensively And we have no idea how to respond.

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[00:01:31] It's all good. Yep. Husband. Yes wife. Do you remember what happened last time? We completed Genesis. We did. We completed the book of Genesis. That was pretty cool. So what are we doing today? We are doing a bonus episode, I think. We are.

[00:02:03] And in that bonus episode, we're going to do a pop quiz to see how much we remember. And also I've dug up some info on Nimrod for you. Right, Nimrod but you can go ahead and put me down for an F on the pop quiz.

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[00:03:39] So just in case we forgot what happened in this video. What happened in Genesis? And you know I did. Right. Here is a very very very brief and quick and not at all helpful summary of the entire book of Genesis. Okay. Okay.

[00:03:54] Doesn't this go like rape rape death? Um, oh wait no no it started. Um, death death death rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape. You loved to insist out? And then Joseph. Full of slavery. Oh yeah that too. Yeah. This is from Spark Notes. Ready?

[00:04:14] Okay. Genesis the first book of the Bible opens with God's creation of the world. The perfect world falls into evil when humans disobey God and the human population divides into separate nations and languages. After many generations, God speaks to a man named Abraham.

[00:04:31] God makes a promise or covenant with Abraham to make his descendants into a great nation and to give them a great land. Abraham shows strong faith in God and God seals his promise with a number of signs and tests.

[00:04:43] This special covenant with God passes on to Abraham's son Isaac and to his grandson Jacob. Together they represent the patriarchs or fathers of the Israelite people. Jacob's 12 sons moved to Egypt after the youngest brother Joseph miraculously becomes a high official in Egypt.

[00:05:01] That leaves out so much so much. But I thought it was a fun summary of the whole thing. The Bible probably would have looked better if they would have gone with something like that. Right? Right? That's what I was thinking.

[00:05:13] Okay so do you remember better now everything that happened? Sure. I don't. Here we go with the pop quiz. Okay. Okay. And I don't have the answers like the answers or like I don't have access to them. So I'm being quizzed along with you. Okay.

[00:05:31] Genesis begins with the story of creation which is the correct order of creation according to Genesis. Is this multiple choice? Yeah. Okay. Light, sky, birds and fish, animals and man, earth and plants or heavenly and heavenly lights? No.

[00:05:47] Light, sky, birds and fish, earth and plants, heavenly lights, animals and man. Maybe. Maybe. Light, sky, earth and plants, heavenly lights. Birds and fish, animals and man. The elephant is saying. Sounds pretty good too. Okay. Here's the last one. Okay.

[00:06:08] Light, heavenly lights, sky, birds and fish, earth and plants, animals and man. I'll be honest with my brain. Can't follow. There's too many, right? I'll go with option number three though. Okay. We'll find out after we're done. Oh. We gotta wait toward done. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[00:06:27] God created Adam first, then Eve to be his wife and helper. How was Eve the first woman created? A. God created her from the ground of the clay. Nope. From the clay of the ground, not the ground of the clay. God created her from one of Adam's ribs.

[00:06:44] Yeah. Yeah. Adam wished for a helper and God sent Eve into the garden of Eden. Incorrect. The serpent created her and filled her with evil thoughts. That'd be really fun but no. I know. So it's B. Okay. I mean, that's what I would guess too. Right.

[00:07:00] God placed Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden and told them they could eat of anything except one for bit and fruit which fruit did God tell Adam and Eve they must not eat. A. This is such a difficult question, right? Right. A from the apple tree.

[00:07:16] B. Fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden. C. Fruit from the pulma granite tree. D. Firmante grapes from the vine. A from the grape from the vine. No. No, it's the apple. The B. The middle of the garden in it. No, it's the apple tree.

[00:07:35] No, it was from the tree in the middle of the garden. Okay. I think. Well then let's go with it. Okay. Why is everything about he knapples them? I don't know. Okay. Okay. Of course they ate the fruit in fruit anyway. For bread or for bread.

[00:07:51] I'm having problems. Number four. Of course they ate the forbidden fruit anyway. What was Eve's excuse when confronted by God? A. The serpent deceived me and I ate. Yeah. B. My husband gave me some fruit from the tree and I ate it. No. No, that was Adam's excuse.

[00:08:12] Right. See, the devil made me do it. That's humanity's excuse. Exactly. D. The serpent promised me knowledge of good and evil if I ate. I think it was the first one to see you. I think so too. But the last one is true that is what happened.

[00:08:28] But I'm going through with the rest of the things I used to see you. Yeah, I think she said I was deceived. Five. God was angry when he found out Adam and Eve had eaten the forbidden fruit. And he drove them out of the garden of Eden. Yep.

[00:08:43] How did God make sure they would not return an eat from the tree of life? A. He built a tall wall around the garden. B. He drove Adam and Eve so far away that they could never find their way back. C.

[00:08:57] He placed a curse on the garden so that anyone who entered would surely die. D. He placed cherubim and a flaming sword to guard the way. That one. Because we watched the show Lucifer. Well, and you know, we read Genesis. Oh yeah, that too.

[00:09:15] Adam and Eve had sons, cane and Abel. Each brother gave God an offering from the fruits of his labor. God looked with favor on Abel's offering but not on canes. As a result, cane became jealous and murdered his brother Abel. What was cane's occupation?

[00:09:31] The leavey was a shepherd, wasn't he? I think so. The choices are farmer, hunter, goat keeper, shepherd. Shepherd. Shepherd. Seven. What was cane's punishment for the murder of Abel? A. He was put to death. No. No. B. He was banished to the land of Canaan.

[00:09:52] He was banished to somewhere but I don't think it was the land of Canaan. Maybe it was, I don't know. C. He was banned from his occupation and made a restless wanderer on the earth. That might be true. I think that was it.

[00:10:04] He was banned from the garden of Eden. No one was never in the garden. Let me go with options. See there. Same. Same. Number eight. After many years, the people of earth became corrupt and full of violence.

[00:10:18] Of all the people on earth only know what and his family were righteous. So God said to Noah, I'm going to put an end to all people for the earth as filled with violence because of them.

[00:10:28] Noah had three sons, which one of these was not one of his sons? Oh, I'm so bad at these. What? I'm going to give you four names and you tell me which one is not his son. Okay. Alright. Enos, J.F. Ham, Shem. It was the first one.

[00:10:46] Enos. Are you sure? Yeah. Because I remember the other ones. Well, I know Ham and Shem are his sons. I just, I, there were some reason. I thought, J.F. Okay. Whatever. I'm going with you on that one because I don't know. Number nine.

[00:11:01] God decided to flood the whole earth and told Noah to build an ark of wood to hold himself. Dick. To hold himself, his wife, his sons and their wives. He was also to take a pair, male and female of each animal on the ark, to save them from

[00:11:18] the flood and repopulate the earth. How many decks did the ark have? Oh, shit. Yeah, I don't remember that. I don't remember that at all. The choice is our two, three, four, and seven. Let's go with seven. Yeah, let's go. Let's go, let's go. Let me know. Okay.

[00:11:38] I have no idea. I like seven, well they like three, too. So. Got to be three or seven? You want to go seven or three. Three or seven. Okay. Number ten. Many men settled on a plane in Shinar and said to each other,

[00:11:54] Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly and let us build ourselves a city with a tower that reaches to the heavens so that we may make a name for ourselves, So they began constructing the Tower of Babel. However, God was not pleased with these arrogant men

[00:12:09] who wanted to build a tower to heaven and be like God's themselves. What did God do to punish them? He scattered them all and made them talk to different languages in the shit. I know, right? Okay, let's see which of the choices that matches.

[00:12:23] A, he destroyed the city in a storm of fire and brimstone. B, he confused their language and scattered them over the face of the earth. That one. See, he destroyed the tower with a tremendous bolt of lightning. D, he sent a plague of locusts into the city.

[00:12:40] No, it was B. It was B. Okay, let's see how we did. How we could find that now? Yeah, we got number one correct Genesis begins with a story of creation, which is the correct order of creation according to Genesis.

[00:12:55] Light, sky, earth and plants, heavenly lights, birds and fish, animals and men. Okay. Yeah. Number two, we got this one right. Adam, I'm sorry, God created Adam first and Eve to be his wife and helper. How was Eve the first woman created?

[00:13:11] He got created her from one of Adam's ribs. Awesome. Yeah, number three we got correct. Wow, we're doing good. We're doing so good. God placed Adam in Eve in the garden of Eden and told them that they could eat

[00:13:22] of anything except one for bed and fruit, which fruit a God tell Adam and Eve they must not eat. Fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden. We're right, I was wrong. Yep.

[00:13:33] We call it an apple tree today but we don't really know what kind of tree it was. Got it. So that's why I went with that one. I was right. Everybody marked that down that my husband also said that I was right.

[00:13:47] It's hard to knock out a, you know, years of conditioning that was nappled. She ate the apple, she ate the apple. Number four, we got this one correct as well. All right. Of course, they ate the forbidden fruit anyway.

[00:13:58] It was Eve's excuse when confronted by God, the serpent deceived me and I ate. Mm-hmm. Yep. Damn serpent. Damn serpent. Dang we got number five correct as well. Wow. God was angry when he found out Adam and Eve had eaten the forbidden fruit and he drove

[00:14:16] them out of the garden of Eden. How did God make sure they would not return and eat from the tree of life? That was an easy one though. He placed terrible in a flaming sword to guard the way.

[00:14:24] Excuse me, how can you forget about a giant flaming sword garden in the entrance? Especially if you watch the show Lucifer. I mean, it was like the entire premise of one of the seasons is that they were trying to find the flaming sword. So yeah. Yeah. You know?

[00:14:39] Uh oh, we got number six wrong. Oh shit. Damn it. Adam and Eve had sons, cane and Abel. Each brother gave God an offering from the fruits of his labor. God looked with favor on Abel's offering but not on canes as a result came became jealous

[00:14:52] and murdered as brother Abel. What was cane? Occupation. I should have remembered because I made a joke at the time how God was a vegan and liked all the fruits and veggies because he made all the stuff first.

[00:15:04] And then I was like, and then you know, and then I even said that cane must have been jealous of Abel because he got the sweet job, the shepherd job. Yeah.

[00:15:15] And I screwed that one up because I thought about that right after I answered it and I was like, oh, I might have messed that up. We could have changed that you know. What is what I've done? We gotta get something wrong because no.

[00:15:25] We do because it's not like we're Bible pros. Right. So we chose shepherd but the correct answer was farmer. Got it. Number seven, what was cane's punishment for the murder of Abel? We got this one right. Yeah.

[00:15:37] He was banned from his occupation and made a restless wanderer on the earth. Yes. We got number eight right. Awesome. After many years, the people of earth became corrupt and full of violence of all the people on earth only know and his family were righteous.

[00:15:50] So God said to Noah, I'm going to put an end to all people for the earth is filled with violence because of them. Noah had three sons, which one of these was not one of his sons, Eonos. I was right. You were right.

[00:16:03] I didn't know that one at all. Oh, we got number nine wrong. Oh, shit. God decided to flood the whole earth and told Noah to build an arc of wood to hold himself, his wife, his sons and their wives.

[00:16:14] He was also to take a pair, male and female of each animal on the arc to save them from the flood and repopulate the earth. How many decks did the arc have the correct answer was three? Yeah, I know it was three or seven. Yep.

[00:16:26] We should have one. I don't know if they even covered that. They must have covered that. Yeah, it says that they covered it in Genesis chapter six versus 14 through 22. Got it. It's just that we didn't care. Right. It gives us shit about how many decks are on there?

[00:16:40] Why is that on that's like trivia. That's not Bible info. That's Bible trivia. Right. That doesn't prove that you. We should go like, you know, we should go to like a Bible trivia night sometime and

[00:16:52] unlike, you know, we put our names down as like the atheist or something. No, we should put our names down as psychologists. Oh yeah, well, I mean that too. Yeah. How much trivia do we know? Right. Yeah. Well, we've missed two out of ten so far. Yeah.

[00:17:08] So not a lot. Right. But would probably be pretty good in the... We would be average. Yeah. I'd say we'd be better in average. Okay. I'd say if we read the whole Bible, yeah, we would be better in average. Okay. I would think. Maybe.

[00:17:22] Number ten, we got this one right. Many men settled on a plane and she n' are and said to each other, come let's make bricks and make them thoroughly and let us build ourselves a city with a tower that reaches

[00:17:33] to the heaven so that we may make a name for ourselves. So they began constructing the tower of Babel, however, God was not pleased with these arrogant men who wanted to build a tower to heaven and be like, God's themselves, what did God do to punish them?

[00:17:46] We need this one before we even saw the choices. He confused their language and scattered them over the face of the earth. That's correct. We got an 80%. I mean, that's not bad. That's not bad. It's not failing. No, we did good. All right.

[00:18:02] Well now we're going to go learn about Nimrod because I'm really excited about this. Yep. We are going to go learn about Nimrod. Alright. Let's go find out about Nimrod. Okay. Okay. Are you ready for Nimrod? I am so ready for Nimrod. Okay.

[00:18:20] I'm going to read from two separate sources, the first of which is the one that's is Chabad.org and I might be mispronouncing that. The reason that this matters is because this one is Jewish history and just in case

[00:18:34] you don't know my love, Genesis is not just the first book of the Bible. It's the first book in the Pentateuch which is the first five books of the Bible and those five books, the Pentateuch are also the first part of the Jewish Bible.

[00:18:50] I thought that at some point, not on the podcast but yeah. I just wanted to make sure you knew that's why I'm reading from a Jewish source. Okay. Like it actually matters. Right. Okay. So this is about Nimrod and Abraham who were two rivals.

[00:19:09] Oh, Abraham was a rival with Abraham huh? Yeah. I thought that was interesting. Yeah, that was pretty interesting. Nimrod's humble heritage. Nimrod, the mighty hunter was one of the sons of Kush. Because, was Abraham the guy that wrestled somebody in the desert or something? Is it?

[00:19:26] And wonder if that was Nimrod? Could have been I don't know. We mentioned it at the time when... Right. Yeah, like you kind of go to about it so. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. Nimrod, the mighty hunter was one of the sons of Kush.

[00:19:38] Kush was born of, I'm sorry, Kush was the son of him. The lowest and least important of Noah's three sons. Oh yeah. Nimrod came from a line which was cursed by Noah. Kush had been cainin' a slave of slaves. Shall he be under his brothers?

[00:19:54] I remember that kind of. Do you remember why? Um, was it... Oh, because they found him drunk in the... Remember like, they, um, they walked in on a naked drunk in his tent or something like that.

[00:20:06] But I thought that the boys found Noah drunk in his tent and naked. Yeah, and then he cursed his grandson's. Oh, remember? Because he's a dick. Yeah, and that was okay. Yeah, so that was... Okay. Yeah, that was a death from him. I forgot about that. Right.

[00:20:21] Okay. So, I mean just by that story, um, ham is not necessarily a bad guy. Right, just he got cursed by Noah. The dick. Yeah. I'm not gonna die. I'm not gonna die. Right.

[00:20:36] By birth Nimrod had no right to be a king or ruler but he was a mighty strong man and slie and a great hunter and trapper of men and animals. His followers grew a number and soon Nimrod became the mighty king of Babylon and his empire

[00:20:51] extended over other great cities. Hmm. Like, where do they, do they say, where they get this information? I'm gonna read on. I don't know. Okay. I don't know. I'm just curious. As was to be expected, Nimrod did not feel very secure on his throne.

[00:21:07] He feared that one day there would appear a descendant of Noah's errands successor, Shem, and would claim the throne. He was determined to have no challenger. Some of Shem's descendants had already been forced to leave that land and build their own cities and empires.

[00:21:22] There was only one prominent member of the Semitic family left in his country. He was tora, the son of Nehore. Oh, I remember all this stuff kind of. Kind of. Tarra was the eighth generation removed in a direct line of descendants from Shem but Nimrod

[00:21:40] had nothing to fear from Tarra, his most loyal and trusted servant. Tarra had long before betrayed his family and had become a follower of Nimrod. All of his ancestors were still living, including Shem himself, but Tarra left his ancestral home and became attached to Nimrod.

[00:21:57] Tarra, who should have been the master and Nimrod his slave, became the slave of Nimrod. Like the other people in that country, Tarra believed that Nimrod received his kingdom as a gift from the gods and was himself a god.

[00:22:11] Tarra was prepared to serve Nimrod with all his heart, indeed he proved himself a very loyal and useful servant. Nimrod trusted into his hands, the command of his armies and made Tarra the highest minister in his land. This is so interesting. This was not in the Bible.

[00:22:30] No, definitely not. Tarra was short of nothing but a wife. So he found himself a wife whose name was Emma's law, Emma's law, Emma's law. Something. A math-ly. I like that, a math-ly. They look forward to raising a large family but they were not blessed with any children.

[00:22:49] The years flew by and Tarra still had no son. His father was only 29 years old when he Tarra was born, but Tarra was getting closer to 70 than to 30 and yet there was no son.

[00:23:02] He prayed to Nimrod and to his idols to bless him with a son but his prayers were not answered. Little did he know that Nimrod felt happy about Tarra's misfortune. For although Nimrod had nothing to fear from Tarra, he could not be sure if Tarra's

[00:23:17] sons would be as loyal to him as their father. Therefore he was inwardly very pleased that his servant Tarra had no children and would probably never have any but he could not be sure. Nimrod was not taking chances.

[00:23:34] He ordered his Tarra's gaysers and astrologers to watch the sky for any sign of the appearance of a possible rival. Got it. The rise of Abraham. One night, the Tarra's gaysers noticed a new star rising in the east every night at group brighter than the informed Nimrod.

[00:23:51] Nimrod called together his magicians and astrologers. They all agreed that a new baby was to be born who might challenge Nimrod's power. Oh no. It was decided that in order to prevent this, all newborn baby boys would have to die

[00:24:04] starting from the King's own palace down to the humblest slaves' hut and who is to be put in charge of this important task? Why Tarra, of course, the King's most trusted servant. Tarra sent out his men to round up all expectant mothers.

[00:24:19] The King's palace was turned into a gigantic maternity ward, a lucky mother gave birth to a girl and then they were both sent home late in with gifts. But if the boy happened to be a baby, he was put to death without mercy.

[00:24:30] The baby happened to be a boy. This is what I said isn't it? Nice, if the boy happened to be a baby. Oh wow, that is so dyslexic. Wow, I do that like all the time. I just switched words for no reason.

[00:24:45] One night Nimrod's star gazers watching that new star saw a grow ever blu, oh my god. Having so many problems. One night Nimrod's star gazers watching that new star saw it grow very bright and suddenly dart across the sky.

[00:25:04] First in one direction then in another west east north and south swallowing up all the other stars in its past. Holy shit, this sounds like fucking like aliens. Yeah, what's going on here? I don't know.

[00:25:17] Nimrod was with his star gazers on the roof of his palace and saw the strange display in the sky with his own eyes. What is the meaning of this he demanded? There can only be one explanation.

[00:25:27] A son was born tonight who would challenge the King's power and the father is none other than Tugra. I mean, I was going with aliens personally. Yeah, I don't know where they pulled that from their ass. Like, it's so random. Right.

[00:25:41] To Raw Nimrod roared my own trusted servant. What? Nimrod's rage. Nimrod had never given us thought to Tugra as becoming a father at the age of 70. However, if he did become a father, he would surely be glad to offer his first born son to his king and god.

[00:26:01] Nimrod dispatched a messenger to Tugra at once ordering him to appear together with his newly born son. That night, Tugra and his wife, a methlete, Emma Slate, I forgot what did I say? I don't remember. I'm going to call her Amy.

[00:26:18] That night, Tugra and his wife, Amy, had indeed become the happy parents of a baby boy who brought a great light and radiance into their home. To Raw had hoped it would be a girl and he would have no terrible decision to make.

[00:26:30] Now he could not think of giving up this lovely baby, born to him at his old age after such longing. He had managed to keep his wife expecting a secret. None of his servants knew about the birth of his son.

[00:26:41] There was a secret passage leading from his palace to a cave in the field. He took the baby to that cave and left it there, as he was returning to the palace past the servant's quarters. He suddenly heard the cry of a baby.

[00:26:53] What good fortune to Raw cried? It so happened that one of his servants had given birth to a boy about the same time as his own son was born. I see where this was going.

[00:27:03] Tugra took the baby and put him in silk swaddling and handed him to his wife to nurse, just then the king's messenger arrived. Yeah, wew! They're just going to kill this baby. Right.

[00:27:15] When Tugra, with the baby and his arms appeared before Nimrod, Tugra declared I was just about to bring my son to you when your messenger came. Nimrod thought it was mighty loyal of Tugra to give up his only son, born to him in his old age.

[00:27:28] Little did he know that it was not Tugra's son. It was brought to die, but a servant's. Abraham emerges. For three years, little Abraham remained in the cave where he did not know day from night.

[00:27:42] Then he came out of the cave and saw the bright son in the sky and thought that it was God who had created the heaven and the earth and him too. But in the evening the sun went down and the moon rose in the sky, surrounded by myriads

[00:27:55] of stars. This must be God. Abraham decided, but the moon too disappeared and the sun reappeared and Abraham decided that there must be a God who rolls over the sun and the moon and the stars and the whole world.

[00:28:09] And so from the age of three years and on Abraham knew that there was only one God and he was resolved to pray to him and worship him alone. A life full of many and great adventures began for Abraham, some of which we have already

[00:28:22] related to you in our talks of past years. When he was born, he was actually Abraham though. I mean, I'm right there. You are your right. He got renamed to Abraham later and then he got renamed again to Israel or was that Jacob? I think that was Jacob.

[00:28:41] I could be wrong though. I don't know. There's so much rename. I can't remember what exactly. But I know he at least got renamed to Abraham after he was Abraham. So that's the end of that little section. I just thought that was really interesting.

[00:28:56] So yeah, I think it was maybe Nimrod that had challenged Abraham later. It seems like it. That makes a little bit of sense. That can make sense. I'm sure there's more history there but I don't know where you even go to find some of this stuff. Right?

[00:29:14] But then there is more I found a different thing on Christian answers.net. And this talks about Nimrod as Gilgamesh, which I found very interesting because Gilgamesh is from literature. Okay. So let's see. La la la la.

[00:29:38] Have to scroll down because the print is so small and they have all these pictures that I don't care about. You know what could help with this? If I print it? Well that or if you like prepped and like took notes on stuff. I didn't want to.

[00:29:53] I just wanted to read it because it's so interesting. Right. Okay. Like I started to take notes and then I realized I was just copy pasting and so I was like I'll just send myself the links. Gotcha.

[00:30:05] So I was thinking like, you know, more bullet points and stuff than. No, this is interesting stuff. Aren't you interested? I am. I guess I was hoping for more like hunting and like, you know. Well, I'm sorry for you. Nimrod's kind of boringish.

[00:30:20] Oh, I thought these were interesting stories and I did these to make you happy because you were so interested in them. I know it's just that it turns out he's a bad guy and so now you're mad. No, I just Nimrod. I just wanted Nimrod to be awesome.

[00:30:33] He's an awesome bad guy. Okay. Nimrod was a very significant man in each and times the grandson of Ham and great grandson of Noah. Nimrod started his kingdom at Babylon. Babylon later reached his zenith under Nebuchadnezzar. Oh, yeah.

[00:30:50] The only reason that I know that name is because it was the name of the ship and um, the matrix. Yeah. That's the first time I ever heard that name. And then when I found out it was from the Bible, I was like, Koukou, Koukou. Okay.

[00:31:07] La la la la la. This was also part of Nimrod's kingdom. And then of a long, the Tigris River continued to be a major city in ancient Assyria. Okay. We don't care about that. Okay.

[00:31:22] Often attributed to Nimrod, the tower of Babylon was not a jack and the beanstalk type of construction where people were trying to build a structure to get into heaven. Instead, it is best understood as an ancient ziggurat. Do you know what a ziggurat is? No, I do not.

[00:31:38] I've learned about these in fifth grade from Mr. Wilkins. And I remember him and it was interesting. So why don't you inform us that? A ziggurat was a man made structure with a temple at its top built to worship the host of heaven. Okay.

[00:31:55] So it wasn't like, absolutely tall. It was just a structure with a temple at the top of it. Yeah. It was kind of like a flat top pyramid. Okay. So, okay. Nimrod revealed the Bible states, Kush was the father of Nimrod who grew to be a mighty warrior

[00:32:12] on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord. That is why it is said like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord. The centers of the kingdom were Babylon, Iraq, Akkad and Kalna and Shinar. Many consider this to be a positive complementary testimony about Nimrod.

[00:32:29] But in fact, it's just the opposite. First, a little background study is necessary. Okay. Cultural connections in the ancient Near East. Besides the stories of the creation and flood in the Bible, there ought to be similar

[00:32:42] stories on clay tablets found in the culture's near and around the true believers. So that was poorly phrased. But what they're saying is there's all these clay tablets that have all these stories that are not included in the Bible but should be. Gotcha.

[00:32:57] These tablets have a reaction or twisted version in their accounts of the creation and flood. In the post-flood, genealogical records of Genesis 10, we noticed that the sons of, we note that the sons of Ham were, Kush, Mizram, Put and Canaan. Now Mizram became the Egyptians.

[00:33:16] No one to sure where Put went to live. And it's obvious who the Canaanites were. So, you know, Canaan became the Canaanites. Right. Kush lived in the land of Shinar which most scholars consider to be Sumer. They're developed the first civilization after the flood.

[00:33:34] The sons of Sham, the Semites were also mixed to some extent with the Sumerians. We suggest that Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Kush.

[00:33:52] The first kingdom established after the flood was Kish and the name Kish appears often on clay tablets. The early post-flood Sumerian King lists, let me say that again. The early post-flood Sumerian Kings list which is not found in the Bible but is found

[00:34:10] on the clay tablets, say that kingship descended from heaven to Kish after the flood. The Hebrew name Kush much later was moved to present a Ethiopia. Isn't that interesting? The Sumerians very early developed a religiopolitical state which was extremely binding

[00:34:28] on all who lived in it except for the rulers who were a law unto themselves. This system was to influence the ancient Near East for over 3,000 years. Other cultures which followed the Sumerian system were a cod, Babylon, Assyria and Persian

[00:34:44] and Persia which became the basis of Greece and Rome's system of rule. Founded by Kush, the Sumerians were very important historically and biblically. This is Nimrod godly or evil. This is where we start getting into some really cool stuff. First, what does the name Nimrod mean?

[00:35:03] It comes from the Hebrew verb, Mirad meaning Rebell, adding an N before the M it becomes an infinitive construct Nimrod. The meaning then is the Rebell, not just Rebell but the Rebell. The name Nimrod may not be the character's name at all.

[00:35:22] It is more likely a derice of a type, a representative of a system that is epitomized in Rebellion against the creator, the one true god. Nimrod is more like a title than his name, like Doctor. Rebellion began soon after the flood as civilizations were restored.

[00:35:46] At that time this person became very prominent. In Genesis 10, we learned that Nimrod established a kingdom. Therefore one would expect to find also in the literature of the ancient Near East, a person who was a type or example for other people to follow.

[00:36:01] And there was, it is a well-known tale common in Sumerian literature of a man who fits this description. In addition to the Sumerians, the Babylonians wrote about this person, the Assyrians like wise and the Hittites. Even in Israel, tablets have been found with this man's name on them.

[00:36:18] He was obviously the most popular hero in the ancient Near East. Interesting. Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh. The person we are referring to found an extra biblical literature was Gilgamesh, the first play tablets naming him were found among the ruins of the Temple Library of the

[00:36:37] God Naboo and the Palace Library in Nineveh. Many others have been found since in a number of excavations. The author of the best treatise on the Gilgamesh epic says, the date of the composition of the Gilgamesh epic can therefore be fixed at about 2000 BC.

[00:36:55] But the material contained on these tablets is undoubtedly much older as we can infer from the mere fact that the epic consists of numerous originally independent episodes which of course did not spring into existence at the time of the composition of our poem but must have

[00:37:12] been current long before they were compiled and woven together to form our epic because you know the epic of Gilgamesh is along with poem. Right. Did you know that? I vaguely knew that. You didn't know that. I vaguely knew that. You either know something or not.

[00:37:27] This are you vaguely pregnant? I mean, I'm definitely not vaguely pregnant. So it's a definitive. Did you know what it didn't do? You didn't know it. Whatever. Continue. This arrogance ruthlessness and depravity were a subject of grave concern for the citizens of Yurak, his kingdom.

[00:37:46] They complained to the great god Anu and Anu constructed the goddess of Ruru to create another wild ox, a double of Gilgamesh who had challenged him and distract his mind from the warrior's daughter of a noble man's spouse whom it appears he would not leave in peace.

[00:38:03] The epic of Gilgamesh has some very indesense sections. Alexander, Hydelle, the first translator of the epic had the decency to translate the virus parts into Latin, spacer, however, gave it to a street.

[00:38:18] So anyway, there is a myth that says of Gilgamesh that he was two-thirds god and one-third man. So Gilgamesh as Nimrod, how does Gilgamesh compare with Nimrod? Ancient historian, Josephus says of Nimrod. Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God.

[00:38:38] He was the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah, a bold man and a great strength of hand. He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God as if it were through his means they were

[00:38:49] happy but to believe that it was his own courage which procured that happiness. He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God but to bring them into a constant dependence upon his own power.

[00:39:05] He also said that he would be revenced on God if he should have a mind to drown the world again for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to be able to reach and

[00:39:15] that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their four fathers. I remember we talked about that at the time when we went through that in the Bible and like how does God let him get away with this not like kill him?

[00:39:27] I mean he killed her. It's like dead dead. It's like he doesn't always follow up. Right. It's very willingly. It's mood based. It's not coffee. Sorry, since this is going on for a long time. Okay. Okay. Here is a comparison. Okay. Wait, hold on. Let me scroll down.

[00:39:50] Whatever. Okay. So anyways, the people did a lot of things that were similar. So okay, wait, here it is. Here's the list. There are still other parallels between the Bible and the Gilgamesh epic.

[00:40:07] So okay, I don't know if you know this but Yahweh is another name for God. Right. We talked about that in another episode. Yahweh has somewhat similar sound to Hulu which is from the Gilgamesh epic. Gilgamesh did just as the sons of God in Genesis 6th did.

[00:40:27] The sons of God forcibly took men's wives and the epic says that is precisely what Gilgamesh did. The Bible calls Nimrod a tyrant and Gilgamesh was a tyrant. There was a flood in the Bible and there is a flood in the epic of Gilgamesh.

[00:40:41] Kush is mentioned in the Bible. Kish in the epic. A wreck is mentioned in scripture. Yurek was Gilgamesh's city. Gilgamesh made a trip to see the survivor of the flood. This was more likely ham than Noah since Nimrod was Ham's grandson. Right.

[00:41:00] Historically, Gilgamesh was the first identity dynasty of Yurek. As Jacobson points out, blah, blah, blah, research, etc. Kings before Gilgamesh may be fictional but not likely. The fact that the Gilgamesh epic also contains the deluge story would indicate a close link with events immediately following the flood.

[00:41:22] A few years ago, one would have strongly doubted his historical existence. We now have the seritude that the time of Gilgamesh corresponds to the earliest period of Mesopotamian history. So there we go. Gilgamesh was very likely Nimrod and Nimrod was not awesome. He was a bad guy. Right.

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[00:42:02] Like, so this is reading a bunch of stuff. I just thought that stuff was interesting. I almost fell asleep. I saw you on the ball asleep. And if we still have our audience, I don't blame on if they hate us for this episode.

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[00:42:30] Are we starting the new book of the Bible next week? Yeah, do you know what it is? Or next time. Next time. Yeah, because it'll be Thursday. Yeah. We're on Exodus now, right? That is correct. We will be starting Exodus. Awesome. Well, we will see you guys.

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