Daniel Chapter 6: Bible Study by Atheists

Daniel Chapter 6: Bible Study by Atheists

Daniel Chapter 6: Lions, Decrees, and Divine Intervention


Buckle up, heathens, because your favorite atheist duo is back to dissect another juicy Bible tale. This week, we're knee-deep in Daniel Chapter 6, where political backstabbing meets the supposed "power of prayer." We'll kick things off with the dramatic exit of King Belshazzar and the rise of Darius the Mede, who hands Daniel a cushy promotion. Spoiler alert: not everyone is cheering for Dan the Man.


We'll dive headfirst into the petty jealousy and Machiavellian plotting of Daniel's coworkers, who trick the king into making a decree that puts Daniel's alleged faith in the hot seat. When Daniel refuses to give up his prayer routine, his rivals think they've got him right where they want him—tossed into a den of ravenous lions. But surprise, surprise! Divine intervention (or a convenient plot device) saves the day, leaving Daniel's enemies fuming.


In a delicious twist of irony, those who tried to take down Daniel get a taste of their own medicine, along with their unsuspecting families. King Darius, now singing a different tune, issues a decree acknowledging the alleged power of Daniel's God, giving Yahweh a major PR boost.


Join us as we tear this story apart with our signature snark, exploring its historical and literary context. We'll uncover why this tale of improbable survival still tickles the fancy of believers today, even though it's probably about as historically accurate as a unicorn stampede.


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[00:00:00] Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the sovereign Lord says, Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want? If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done

[00:00:12] then you can justify any of your behavior. A lot of this mentality is trickling into what is now mainstream right wing Christianity. I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible. This is a Bible that they tell kids.

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[00:00:42] some Buddhist on H.H. Young. Wife. Do you know where we are and how the hell we got here? Well we ended last week on Daniel Chapter 5. Sure, I thought that. And in that chapter we kind of

[00:01:00] jumped ahead. We went a bit ahead like Edo. Well 60 years, 60 years? We went ahead a little ways in history. We did. And there was a King Belch's art that was having a banquet

[00:01:14] and party ended up and then out of nowhere he saw the right and on the wall. He did. He saw the right and on the wall. But he couldn't read the right and on the wall. He did not read

[00:01:24] the right and on the wall. Yeah, yeah because this hand just appeared and started writing on the fucking wall. I wish that everybody could see me. Yeah, right. You just lifted your hand and started writing on the imaginary wall. Yeah, you showed the microphone. Yeah, yeah. It's happening.

[00:01:37] So anyway he was like I don't know what that says and so he was like hey who knows what that says and no one knew what it said and then Daniel knew what it said. And so Daniel read it and he

[00:01:49] said hey you're gonna die. And he said you've been measured, you've been found wanting. Right. And so I'm going to divide your kingdom. Right. And then he died. And those Belch's art died.

[00:02:03] Well yeah because that was the end of Babylon. Right. And then yeah. Right. That was that was that. Yep. So he went to bed and Babylon was done. Right. Right. And yeah. So that was what happened.

[00:02:17] Yep. And that leaves us to well we're starting this one a little late in the week here. And we apologize that's been a crazy, crazy weekend and into the new week and we had a long Patreon episode that's turned into two episodes that we still haven't finished up.

[00:02:32] And you are still adjusting to your work. Yeah. And I worked it all. Adjusting to my new work schedules. So I do apologize for the delays. But here we are on Tuesday and we're giving out Daniel chapter six. All right. Let's do this. Okay. Don't be.

[00:02:53] All right. We are getting into Dan I.O. chapter six. For Daniel chapter six. That one. Yes. And I was led to believe that there was something special about this. I heard something similar. Yeah, this this one might be a well-known chapter possibly.

[00:03:08] It's not. I mean as well known but I didn't think there was anything super special about well in the notes. Other people might disagree with you. Sure. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. With regard to you know how it gets kind of entered the

[00:03:23] slight glacier. Yeah. Yeah. Christian set. Right. I know a few things. Which I'll say as we're getting to certain points probably. I mean I'm guessing. Daniel and the Lions like that. Right. That's what we're getting into. We talked about it

[00:03:36] before. How there's been some preachers and pastors or whatever they're like try this out. Yeah, but I know why they didn't get it right. Oh, yeah. But when we get there all all let you know.

[00:03:48] Sure. All right. So let's read this shit. Yeah. Let's do it. All right. It pleased Darius to appoint 120 set traps to rule throughout the kingdom with three administrators over them. One of whom was Daniel. Okay. Already what's the fuck? What's a Darius? Yeah. Right.

[00:04:07] Okay. So I have some notes about that dude. Okay. Darius the mead is mentioned in the book of Daniel as King of Babylon between belchazar and Cyrus the Great, but he's not known to secular history and there is no space in the historical timeline between these two verified

[00:04:27] kings. Most scholars view this Darius because there is a different Darius meant somewhere else. Okay. This Darius as a literary fiction would write with facts. Yeah, with the whole book of Daniel. Really? So but some have tried to harmonize the book of Daniel with history by identifying

[00:04:47] him with various known figures. Okay. So maybe it's another name for Cyrus doubted. Yeah. Okay. Right. Maybe it's Kim Bicyes son of Cyrus who served under his father as a ruler of Babylon and later inherited the throne of the entire empire. Sound loss. So I'm like, yeah.

[00:05:10] Ciasis the third king of the meads. Okay. Gobrius the general who was first to enter Babylon when it fell to the Persians in 539 BCE. Okay. And I'm like what? Because they both start with G. Right.

[00:05:27] But Darius doesn't start with a G. So what the fuck? Well, I mean we're talking about different languages too. These things would have been translated through. So and then the last suggestion is Guba Rue, which is I love the name. It sounds like Goku right?

[00:05:43] Yeah. I mean thinking we're like Guber but you know yeah. I was just like I had to have to call him Guber. Like what's up, Guber? You know? That would be rude. Yeah.

[00:05:53] Yeah. I mean. I mean don't mean for somebody's name just because it's in a different language. What no, I'm not he killed a bunch of people to take the throne. Hypothetically if this is

[00:06:03] what's happening right? Wow. So I think I think you can get away with calling him Guber. All right. All right. I'm just you know. But Guber Rue is an ancient official or an onerific title

[00:06:15] whom Cybers appointed as ruler over Babylon immediately after its capture. Guber Rue had the power to make appointments to assemble an army to love he taxes and to possess palaces. Guber Rue was in a very real sense that actual king over Babylon. I see. So okay. That

[00:06:38] is what a lot of people suspect. It's a Guber Rue. Again sounds very unlikely. Darius is a Guber Rue. Sounds like they didn't really they're just trying to make connections. They just don't need in there. Right. They're like we need a mean Darius you'll do. Yeah.

[00:06:56] But apparently whatever this section is it's coming after the end of Babylon. So this is still an older Dan you'll that we're talking about. Right. I probably should have started with this note.

[00:07:07] Actually, I did forget another note which is let us not forget the book can be divided into two parts. We are currently in the first part, which is chapters one through six, which was mostly written

[00:07:18] in Aramaic and they are six court tales. So this is the last one. The second part which will start tomorrow is for a puckliptic visions and those are mostly written in Hebrew. Okay.

[00:07:31] So that's the first note I forgot to say. Right. The other note that I probably should have started this chapter with. Daniel is now 80 years old and he's been serving in the government of

[00:07:42] Babylon for over 60 years. He actually saw the kingdom of Babylon fall. Right. Remember he was there. And then he went on to serve in the Meadow Persian Empire. It's interesting to me that

[00:07:54] they're still referring to it as Babylon even though it was conquered by the Meadow Persians. Right. I find it funny that they're referring to the Meadow Persians because the Meads got eaten up by

[00:08:08] the Persians and it just became the Persian Empire. Sure. So that's interesting to me. But it must reflect the time that we're in when they're discussing this too. Oh yeah, it's interesting like

[00:08:20] you said that they're still referring to it as Babylon but I don't know because these stories were written later, I don't know what they would have referred to it as. It would be I think there

[00:08:33] would be a whole probably historic or history lesson that we could do based on how this all transpired in real history. Right. Yeah. And that could be an interesting topic at some point. That's some point. But yeah, whatever. We're here they're calling them this and that's what they're

[00:08:48] calling them. So it's Babylon. It's Babylon. But somebody else is ruling it now. Yes. So but it's still Babylon. Right. Okay. So anyway, it pleased Darius to a point he was like I need a bunch of rulers

[00:09:01] throughout my kingdom of Babylon that I own now. Right. And I'm going to set three administrators over all those guys and one of those is going to be Daniel. Got it. Yeah. The satrups were made

[00:09:13] accountable to them so all of the officials throughout the land had to answer to these three. Sure. So that the king might not suffer loss. Now Daniel's so distinguished himself among the administrators and the satrups by his exceptional qualities that the king planned to set him

[00:09:32] over the whole kingdom. So he was going to be the chief of the three. Got it. Yeah. At this, the administrators and satrups try to find grounds for charges against Daniel and his conduct

[00:09:43] of government affairs as politicians do. Right. But they were unable to do so. Got it. Which it reminds me like you have kind of a Daniel situation happening at your work. You yeah,

[00:09:58] maybe sort of where you're doing really, really good at your job and there's a couple of guys that don't like that. Right. And so they're trying to cause problems for you. Yeah. You're like excuse you. Yeah. No, I'm I'm handling that situation just fine. Oh no. I know.

[00:10:15] I was just like, interesting. You're Daniel. You're totally Daniel. Right. Sure. Because your shit don't stink. I mean, you know, it does actually my shit does stink. But everybody's shit stinks.

[00:10:26] In regard to how you're being aware of it. I got you. Yeah. Anyway, as they could find no corruption in Daniel because he was trustworthy and neither corrupt nor negligent. Got it. Finally, these

[00:10:40] crappy dudes, these men said we will never find any basis for charges against this man Daniel. Unless it has something to do with the law of his God. And they're like, we're going to get

[00:10:51] sneaky here. What can we do? What can we do? Right. Use his religion against him. How can we help him? How can we help him? So these administrators and satraps went as a group to the king.

[00:11:02] And mind you, the king is fond of Daniel because he recognizes Daniel's awesomeness. Sure. Okay. Yeah. You know, that's why he put him in charge. But also he had heard how awesome he was.

[00:11:17] Because he wrote the writing on the wall and he told these things exactly exactly. So anyway, these guys went as a group to the king and said, making various live forever. The royal administrators, prefects, satraps, advisors and governors have all agreed, meaning including Daniel,

[00:11:37] that the king should issue an edict and enforce the decree that anyone who prays to any God or human being during the next 30 days except to you your majesty should be thrown into the lion's

[00:11:51] debt. So what they're saying is, if you're going to do a prayer, you should do it through the king for the next 30 days. Got it. Because you know, the king is as God show your loyalty,

[00:12:06] etc., etc., they're playing to his ego essentially. They're playing to his ego and they're also playing to Daniel's faultless prayer. I know he will not do this thing exactly. And and they're like, and he totally signed off on it because he all did. Yeah. Now your majesty,

[00:12:27] issue the decree and put it in writing so that it cannot be altered in accordance with the law of the needs and Persians, which cannot be repealed. So here's the thing, if if the king made a

[00:12:41] rule, a law, whatever, it had to stick. He was not allowed to change it because of course as a God, he is not able to be mistaken therefore why would he repeal a law once he wrote it? That

[00:12:55] makes a bad laws problematic. Yes, because let us know forget that King Darius is fond of my dude Dan. Yeah. So King Darius put the decree in writing. Okay. He's like, yeah, that sounds great.

[00:13:09] I love being God. Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Okay. So his room faces his old home. He's like,

[00:13:23] even though I'm 80 and I was kidnapped here when I was 15. I still miss you. Right. Well, then, but there was a whole thing that we read earlier on in the Bible where people that were

[00:13:34] in different areas would look towards Jerusalem part of their prayer as part of their, yeah, you know, recognition of Yahweh. Yes. Yes. That's this makes some sense. No, it totally does.

[00:13:46] And I mean, I'm making fun of him, but like I'm approaching 50. I was torn from a place that I loved at the age of 15 and I still ache for it. Right. And it no longer exists. And so I'm going to say

[00:14:01] this too. So this is I don't have a lot of good things to say about religion in general. And specifically, I don't really like a lot of the aspects of the Muslim religion, the Islam. You know,

[00:14:14] so, but with regard to how they treat women and many aspects of that religion. Right. Yeah. But not good. That being said, I think the act where they, you know, certain times it would do. It's not what they're doing. And they get down on their knees and turn

[00:14:30] towards their their mecca, their their homeland, their whatever their God, wherever they're supposed to face. And they, they pray no matter where they are. There is something ritualistic. Beautiful. Yeah. About that. I know. If it didn't, if it didn't mean other things, you

[00:14:49] know what I mean? Like that's that's where I kind of draw the line. But the act itself, that that that that act of humbleness and adherence. Yeah. That that to me is somewhat beautiful in

[00:15:01] another itself. No, I totally agree. I do. I find it very beautiful. I find I find true faith, very beautiful and people. And I find adherence to it, very beautiful even though I don't have it

[00:15:16] and even though it is problematic in other ways. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Coffee at coffee at coffee. Yes. Yes. I mean major caveats. And you know, once you get past the surface of that beauty,

[00:15:30] there's this a lot of time. There's ugly. So well, that and I said, I admire faith, but just because they're going through rope motions doesn't mean that they are actually when you're going through

[00:15:42] routines and going through motions, it allows for a laziness of faith. And you might just be going through the motions. Sure. And even if you mean that though there there is still is possibly uglyness below it. Sure. Oh, definitely. Sometimes are. Definitely. Yeah. I totally agree.

[00:16:00] Because of the the mere religion itself. Yeah. And what it stands for sometimes. Yeah. So. Yeah. All right. Sorry. That's enough about anyway. Do to face Jerusalem. Right. Three times a day. He got

[00:16:12] down on his knees and prayed giving things to his God just as he has had done before. So he didn't do more. He didn't do less. He just kept doing his thing. Right. Like whatever. Then these men as a group

[00:16:25] went and found Daniel praying and asking God for help. Oh, no. What do you think happened? I'm sure they tablaught him. Yeah. So they went to the king and spoke to him about his real

[00:16:36] decree. Did you not publish a decree that during the next 30 days anyone who prays to any God or human being except to you your majesty will be thrown into their lion's den? Pretty sure I

[00:16:51] heard you say that, right? Yeah. Yeah. The king answered, yeah. The decree stands in accordance with the law of the meets and Persians which cannot be revealed. Right. He's like, cool, cool, cool. Yeah.

[00:17:03] What? Then they said to the king, oh, what? Well, excuse you, but Daniel who is one of the exiles from Judah. You know, that guy he's not even like from here. He's no attention to you. Your

[00:17:17] majesty or to the decree you put him writing. I mean, oh, this guy. Right. He's still praise three times a day. Oh. How dare he? Right. When the king heard this he was greatly distressed

[00:17:31] but he wasn't distressed that dude was breaking the decree. He was distressed there to follow through with his law. Yes. He's least because these fucks made him do it. Yeah. And he's distressed

[00:17:42] too because he realized that he got played. Right. And he's like, God damn it. Right. Yeah. I think I would in that moment, you know, if our him issues some sort of a decree against the people that

[00:17:52] made me do it too. Yeah. And or find them new jobs or, you know, they're going to get there's my love. I've read the notes. He will, they will get there. Yeah. All right. So he was determined to rescue

[00:18:03] Daniel and made every effort until sundown to save him. Okay. So I'm going to read some notes here that because I, I've skipped several notes. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Um so when we started this chapter

[00:18:17] where we were like dudes 80 blah blah blah. There had been no opportunity for Daniel to enjoy his return to high office as Babylon fell the night he was reinstated. Right. Yeah. But the new rulers would

[00:18:29] have known of his record and his extraordinary wisdom and understanding under Nebuchadnezzar. So they were like, this guy's awesome. We got to keep him. Right. Um and it was a common meat-o-pergent practice for the king to act as representatives of the gods. So Darius agreed

[00:18:48] to the suggestion and made it law like it made perfect sense to them. Like there was no big. He was like yeah, yeah. I'll pick up for a month that tracks. Yeah. It was also in a

[00:18:59] established principle in the meat-o-pergent empire that when it came formally signed an instituted decree it was so binding that not even the king himself could change it. The decrees of a Persian king were unchangeable because he was not to speak for the gods who could never be wrong

[00:19:15] and thus never needed to change their minds which I said. Sure. Um just making sure I didn't miss any of my notes here. Yeah. Um when the king, oh um verse 14 read when the king heard this

[00:19:28] he was greatly distressed. He was determined to rescue Daniel and made every effort until sundown to save him. Yeah. And that's where I stopped, right? Right. This means that Darius worked as

[00:19:37] long as he could to try to save him because according to ancient Eastern custom the execution was carried out on the evening of the day that the ex-butt accusation was made and found valid. Okay.

[00:19:53] So he was like trying everything he could all day and that's all the time he had. Got it. And like he really meant to save him if he could. Yeah. So I just thought that bad bears, you know,

[00:20:06] stating. Yeah. Um let's see. Okay. So he's working hard trying to save him and then sundown comes. Then the men went as a group to King Darius and said to him, remember your majesty.

[00:20:20] Not according to the law of the meets and the Persians no decree or edicts that the king issues can be changed. These guys are rocking a real unlike like fine line here, you know. Who's the fuck?

[00:20:32] Do you think you're fucking talking to that this is not going to come back on you? Yeah. Like what is wrong with your stupid brain? I think I think that this is partly what's wrong with

[00:20:44] this story, right? I don't really think this is how it would have gone down. Not at all. It would have been more nefarious, more backhanded than someone who got tricked into recommending

[00:20:55] this like one person. Yeah. Because it wouldn't be all of them being like, hey, we want you to do this thing because that would get them all in trouble. Exactly. And they know what's going to get them in trouble.

[00:21:05] And they wouldn't be like Kingy. Would you want you, Kingy? Like, oh okay. Yeah. I'm like goating them now to do this thing. You're literally teasing. I don't think you're doing that to the King's

[00:21:17] here. You're you're lying. Yeah. We're not doing that. Right. So anyway, the King gave the order and they brought Daniel and threw him into the lion's den. Okay. And he's like, fuck me. I

[00:21:28] guess I got to put this guy down on this sucks. The King said to Daniel, may your God whom you serve continually rescue you? Yeah. So he's like, I've done everything I can. It's all on your God.

[00:21:42] And I'm really sorry. Right. I mean, like, and I believe that you believe, you know, he's like, I really hope this works out for you. Yeah. Right. So a stone was brought and placed

[00:21:54] over the mouth of the den and the King sealed it with his own signet ring and with the rings of his nobles, those fucks so that Daniel's situation might not be changed. Okay. Then the King returned

[00:22:06] to his palace and spent the night without eating and without any entertainment being brought to him. Who's so upset? Yeah. He couldn't sleep at the first light of dawn that King got up and hurried

[00:22:15] to the lion's den. Like, what did you expect to find? Like, why did you go there? Like, I mean, I'm assuming that there is a certain amount of time that you're to leave these people

[00:22:26] in the den and he's taking the first opportunity to open it up in just in case. Just in case. Because he likes Daniel. All right. Right. I'm just like, by all right, you should be expecting a

[00:22:38] bloody goddamn mess. And I'm sure he is, but also on the home, he's got a small sliver of hope that he's like, maybe he survived, you know? Well, when he came near the den, he called the Daniel in an

[00:22:52] English voice. Daniel, servant of the living god has your god whom you serve continually been able to rescue you from the lion's. Oh my gosh, he's so desperate. It's almost cute, right? Yeah. Are you okay,

[00:23:07] it strikes me though, also. I just have to say this before we go a little bit any further. But they sealed him into this lion den, right? No one was able to see what happened. Right. Like,

[00:23:18] there could have been like a little, I don't know, leds that he was able to get on that just, you know, he just hid the whole fucking night. Yeah. We don't know. Right. Or it didn't happen in the first place.

[00:23:28] I would. Yeah, no, I'm not just, but I mean, you were like playing along in Kansas. Yeah, we're playing along. That's, but, but there's so much, you know, there's so much attributed to this story,

[00:23:38] right? Like this, the story is so popular. Yeah. And in my first thoughts, as I'm thinking about this, you're like, what if he just found a great hearty hiding spot? Yeah. You know, like it doesn't,

[00:23:48] this isn't as spectacular as it sounds even if you allow for the fact that it happened. You know what the king didn't do that he could have done? What's that? He could have thrown a whole

[00:23:57] bunch of fucking animals down there to satiate the lions overnight. Hey, he could have. And he didn't. He didn't. But maybe he did. But maybe he did. Right. So maybe he threw a whole bunch of meat down

[00:24:09] to satiate that. We just, we, there's no way to know since this was written 400 years after the fact and also it probably didn't happen exactly. But guess what Daniel answered, me the king would forever. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. Guess what? I'm alive. I'm so shocked.

[00:24:25] My God sent his angel. Oh. And he shut the mouths of lions. They've not hurt me because I was found innocent in his sight. Nor have I done, nor have I ever done any wrong before you, your majesty.

[00:24:40] So he was found not wanting in God's eyes. Right. And also he had not been offensive to the king. Well, it depends on how you take that. The king did, in fact, issue a decree. Right.

[00:24:54] Saying that the people are not to do this thing, that he did. But it wasn't like a personal affront. Right. You know what I mean? No, I agree. He did not insult the king and the king was not

[00:25:07] insulted by him practicing his faith. Okay. The king was not insulted but the king could have chose to be insult. He could have. He could have. But the thing is is Daniel new the guy. And he's

[00:25:18] like, you know that I was not here trying to be an asshole at you. Right. Just doing my thing. No, I get it. So that's what he's saying. Like I'm basically innocent. I'm a good guy.

[00:25:29] Sure. Oh God spared me. Yeah. The king was overjoyed. Yay! And gave orders to lift Daniel out of the den and when Daniel was lifted from the den, no wound was found on him because he had trusted in

[00:25:42] his God. But that's not the whole story. Okay. Yeah. At the king's command, the men who had falsely accused Daniel were brought in and thrown into the lion's den, which serves them right.

[00:25:55] But I don't care for this next bit. I'm sure they all died. Along with their wives and children. Holy shit. Right? Jesus Christ. They fucked around and then their wives and children found out. That's fucked up. That's fucked up a lot. And okay. Oh, right. Right. But so

[00:26:10] so God was God was willing to spare Daniel. But then was okay with slaughtering entire families. And we're just supposed to be okay with that because it's not ours to know. Right. You don't

[00:26:23] question God. Why did those kids have to die? I don't know. Not only were it was got okay with this, but Daniel apparently is okay with this too, right? Because he's in good with the died,

[00:26:32] Darious or whatever. So so Daniel's like yeah, slaughtered their entire family. Is it cool? Whatever. Yeah, I don't give a fuck about kids. I don't have any. Why do I care? I'm still serving it's all good. Yeah. Fuck it. I got no problem with this.

[00:26:45] Inkelbiter's a garbage. What you gotta do? Yeah. This is fucked up. Yeah. No, I totally agree. And before they reach the floor of the den, the lions over powdered them. I hate it when I over

[00:26:58] powder things. The lions overpowered them and crushed all their bones. Jesus. I mean, this is grotesque. Yeah. Like not okay, you know? No. Then King Darious wrote to all the nations and peoples of every language in all the earth. This strikes me very similar to Nebuchadnezzar's

[00:27:18] letter. Yes. You know like I believe now and I have to tell everybody about it. Well, and the way this is great, those words specifically that is so over the top. Yeah. Right. Because if

[00:27:31] as we're reading it today, we know he didn't write every nation on the earth. Every, you know, like that just did not really origin all the earth. Right. Fuck off. You weren't even aware of all

[00:27:43] the language of the earth. You didn't even know that the Aztecs were flourishing at this time. Fuck the fuck off. Yeah. You did not know the Aztecs. Right. Like we literally went down a list of all the shit

[00:27:54] that was going on around the world at the time of Babylon's fall or whatever. Right. And we're to believe that this is God, you know, like kind of mandating what is written. Right? I think this

[00:28:05] is directed by God. Yeah. God would know that other people existed on earth. I would think I would think a good good God worth his beings would. And more specifically than that in the past

[00:28:17] in the Bible they have referred to when they talked about reaching out to other nations and other groups. They referred to them in a, you know, in a way that let us know that they were in

[00:28:30] this range of areas. Right. They were aware of right? North as far as X and then south as far as Y. Sure. Like that's how they did it. Like they named the furthest reaches of the fur,

[00:28:43] the boundaries of what they knew. Right. But now we're just referring to them as everybody. Yeah. All the nations, all the languages. Yeah. And that's not, that is not it's just not

[00:28:55] actually correct. Yeah. It's not okay to say that when we're talking about the word of God because God should know if that is not correct. Yeah. And this language like that has not specifically been

[00:29:08] used before. Right. That I can think of. I'll stop my head in the Bible where they just kind of say everybody. Well, I said, I sent letters to everybody. Didn't you? Yeah. No. So he says in his letter

[00:29:25] which is translated into every language and all the earth. Sure. May you prosper greatly. I issue a decree that in every part of my kingdom people must fear and reverence the God of Daniel.

[00:29:38] Oh my gosh. For he is the living God and he and Jers forever. His kingdom will not be destroyed. His dominion will never end. He rescues and he saves. He performs signs and wonders in the heavens and

[00:29:51] on earth. That's what he has rescued Daniel from the power of the lions. What? He's awesome. Good game to do. I'm blown away about how? Childish? Yeah. It's so simple and silly.

[00:30:08] Yeah. This is like this is like the person that's like, this is like the fish story. Right? The person that's always got the better bigger story. Our God is bigger better. We're going to

[00:30:17] show you how much in here. We wrote a story. This is true. Just believe it. It's like Trump going from one rally to the next. He's like, I talked to a guy and he had a tear on his cheek and then

[00:30:27] at the next one he's like, I talked to a guy and he was balling like a baby. And then at the next one he's like, I talked to a guy and he drowned in his tears and he's dead. Oh, God. That escalated

[00:30:39] quickly. Right? Right. But he like ups the numbers every rally. Well, and this was something we were talking about early on with the book of Daniel so far is that this is a lot of propaganda.

[00:30:50] Right? They're trying to reclaim the glory of their God even though they got conquered and beat to hell by the Babylonians. And then the Persians took over from there, right? So there's this whole

[00:31:02] timeframe where the Israelites were not this prominent group of people and their God was probably a lesser than God at this point as far as what that region thought of God's. Yeah. So they're trying

[00:31:16] to reclaim that glory by popping up their God through these stories and the way they're doing it is so disingenuous that it's not even, it's not even a little bit believable when they tell

[00:31:29] it. Like reading this I have to think, y'all believe this, they know. People had to be so simple back then. Back then. I mean, I'm just saying this is still of very popular book and people still

[00:31:44] put a lot of credit in this. Right. Right. You forget that this is still relevant. I know. I don't understand why. I can't fathom how this is believable but it is to people. I cannot, I don't know. All right. I got myself. Yeah. I got I'm sorry.

[00:32:04] So Daniel Prosper during the reign of Darius and the reign of Cyrus the Persian. No, okay. All right. Yeah, sure. Okay. So let's see. Darius. I'm assuming you're scrolling for notes.

[00:32:21] Yeah. I am. I am. Okay. All right. Darius, the mean. We already mentioned that. I already said oh my no. Nothing. Wife is having trouble keeping track of notes. Well, there was a lot to say and you know.

[00:32:37] No, there was. You would mention earlier about how they, you were going to explain something about the people dying. Yeah. You know, whatever and why they, whatever. They, the people that are like,

[00:32:51] I am totally a solid believer. Yeah. And I'm going to go sleep in the Lines Den and I have faith that God will protect me. Yeah. Okay. And then they died, right? Here's, here's the problem with what they did.

[00:33:03] Three things. Okay. First of all, they went into a Lines Den. Okay. Four things. Four things. First of all, they went into the Lines Den in the first place. That was not.

[00:33:12] Yeah. Right. Okay. Second of all, Daniel had already been judged by God and been found not wanting. These people that went in there, they're just like assuming they're good. God didn't tell them that.

[00:33:27] Okay. Third of all, third of all, Daniel also had not a, yeah, Daniel had not offended the person who threw him in. You know what I mean? Sure. Give him the story, right? The King did not

[00:33:43] want to throw him in. These people, they're just like, I'm just going to walk in. I'm just going to walk in. Okay. Fourth of all, what fucking pride? Like Daniel did not go in there and say, I trust God to protect

[00:33:58] me. Right. What he did and he did this in the, um, uh, no, his friends did it in the furnace thing was say, we have prayed. We trust that our God can save us. Doesn't mean he will.

[00:34:09] It's not like they would have chosen to go into the fire or the Lines Den. Exactly. Yeah. So that's the difference. These dudes are like, my shit don't stink. Right. I am awesome whether, I don't know if God

[00:34:21] says so, but I say so. And I'm just willingly testing God and, um, he's totally going to save me. Well, I guess no one will really be able to put this to the test because I don't know many

[00:34:32] people to get thrown into the Lines Den anymore. And I don't know if anybody who actually hears the voice of God that is not, um, having mental health issues. Maybe after Project 2025 happens, they'll re-institute death penalties that will include throwing people into Lines Den's.

[00:34:52] I would not doubt it because then we could actually legitimately possibly test this, you know? I would not doubt it. Yeah. So speaking of which, uh, we do have, uh, I meant to say this earlier,

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