Daniel Chapter 7: Bible Study by Atheists

Daniel Chapter 7: Bible Study by Atheists

Daniel Chapter 7: Beastly Visions and Prophetic Drama


Hold on to your hats, folks, because this episode is about to take you on a wild adventure through the enigmatic and electrifying world of Daniel Chapter 7! Forget about Daniel in the lion's den for a second—this time, we're diving into some seriously strange and symbolic visions that are sure to make your head spin. Imagine beasts with multiple heads, kingdoms rising and falling, and a whole lot of prophetic drama. It's like Game of Thrones meets the Bible, but with way more divine intervention.


But wait, there's more! We'll also sprinkle in some hilarious anecdotes from our own backyard adventures, featuring a friendly groundhog and a wild bunny who decided to crash our garden party. It's a whirlwind of biblical prophecy and personal stories that you won't want to miss. Tune in for a mix of the profound and the playful, and maybe even learn a thing or two about ancient visions and modern-day critters!


Whether you're a believer, an atheist, or somewhere in between, this episode is perfect for anyone interested in a unique Bible study experience. Get ready to explore the fascinating and mysterious Book of Daniel like never before!


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[00:00:00] Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the sovereign Lord says! Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want? If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done,

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[00:00:42] Buddhist on Patreon. Wife! Do you know where we're at and how the hell we got here? Well yesterday we read Daniel Chapter 6. We sure spoke did. And in that chapter see, no, not in the book. There is some guy that was leading the Babylonian people after he conquered.

[00:01:06] There is the need. The need. He conquered those the well they were Babylonians. There's still Babylonians and they were something else. Chalians I guess. So he conquered them. And then he put into power some people and Daniel was one of the top three.

[00:01:26] And like all the people under him and maybe beside him were jealous because this king really preferred Daniel over everybody else. He was going to take charge of everything. Well in part of the problem too was that they were like, why the fuck is this guy over here

[00:01:40] being put in charge of shit? And he's a Jew and we're not that's that's not right. And he was a captive brought up here. He's not even fucking from here. Right. Right. So the people that were

[00:01:52] jealous that he was in charge, they couldn't find anything wrong with Daniel so they just they came up with a scheme and they were like we're going to get this guy in trouble.

[00:02:00] Me. Me. So they played on the kings ego and said hey King you should you should do a decree and apparently the decrees of the needs were like famous for being non-breakable apparently.

[00:02:14] So they're like you should make it a decree that nobody for the next 30 days can worship anybody but you. And so that happened because ego and pride and all that wonderful shit.

[00:02:26] And then they were like hey this guy that you like he's worshiping his God and not you. Right. And the king was like fuck. There is was like don't I think. Because you liked them. I've been God. Yeah but also he couldn't break his decree.

[00:02:42] Yeah because they paint themselves in corners with their stupid rules. Yeah yeah so he was kind of forced by these people to go through with this punishment which was during Daniel into a

[00:02:54] lion's den. Because of course. Right because that's what you do I guess. So anyway apparently Daniel survived and that was miraculous and then God's wonderful and awesome because that's what this whole fucking book so far has been about. Right. They're like hey look how awesome

[00:03:11] our fucking God is with this fictional character that's doing all these amazing things. Amazing. It's crazy how he's doing these things. It's so crazy. Yeah and anyway he survived and then the king was obviously pissed at the people that tricked him into doing this.

[00:03:27] What happy that Daniel survived? It's a happy that Daniel survived. So as you do as King you take the people that did this thing to you and you killed them their families, the kids,

[00:03:38] their wives you know and you throw them all into the lion's den. That's how you handle problems. Yeah. Is you you kill all the people? Yes. I mean that's what God does. That's what I always do.

[00:03:51] Don't you have a lion's den in your backyard and throw people in? No no I think we have a rabbit den. We do and we have a groundhog then. We have a hole under the fence between

[00:04:02] our yard and our yard. Yeah that's a big-ass groundhog that lives in our backyard. It's a huge hole have you seen it lately? I have not. I was mowing yesterday that fucking hole is huge and no wonder

[00:04:13] because that groundhog is fat. He is. Like I hate to bat shame an animal but he's eating well. He's eating well. Yeah and we kind of like him. He's friendly groundhog you know? I mean he hurt me.

[00:04:27] Not our yard. We rent. Yeah. So whatever. There's also a wild bunny back there. There is a baby one. Baby one last year was a wild bunny and this year is a little wild bunny. What is it that

[00:04:39] thing? I'm so happy about it too. Yeah so anyway that was a Daniel chapter six. Sure is fucking good. And all about our backyard and then that means today we're getting into Daniel chapter seven. All right you ready to do this? I am. Let's do it. Okay okay.

[00:05:04] Okay we are hopping into Dan I.L. Chapter seven. Oh we're Daniel chapter seven. Yeah that too. Yeah. As I have been doing at the beginning of every chapter in Daniel let me remind you that this book

[00:05:17] can be divided into two parts. That's what's important today. It is because the first set the first part was a set of six quart tails and we are done with those and those were mostly written

[00:05:30] in air-mic. Right. Okay now we are starting the four apocalyptic visions which encompass chapters seven through 12. Okay and those were written in Hebrew. So I'm not sure whether it be excited, scared or whatever. This is this is just going to be different now. We're changing things

[00:05:52] up. Change them things up. It's interesting because okay well let me just read this note. Although the visions collected in this section of the book are in a proximate chronological order there is no obvious connection leading one onto the next. Each vision has a separate and distinct

[00:06:14] message. Got it. Okay yeah. And before I start reading the chapter I want to give a slight intro to. Okay. Yeah. Daniel having in the previous chapters related certain events about himself and his fellow captives and having given proof of his being enabled by God to interpret the

[00:06:38] dreams of others. Proceeds now to detail his own visions. Got it. And this is returning us to a period prior to the last chapter. Okay. All right. Remember when I read the last chapter and I was like

[00:06:53] this one's out of place? Yes. So that's just a reminder that we're going back a little bit. Okay. I think you said that that one should have been between like either at the end of seven or eight or something

[00:07:03] like that. It should be after eight after eight. Okay. Yeah. All right. So I could have that wrong but what ever yeah. Yeah. Does it really matter? No. No. All right. So in the first year of Belchus

[00:07:16] are keen of Babylon. Yeah. So before back before they got conquered, right? No. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Back before Babylon got conquered. Sorry. When you see the main. Before the meet got conquered

[00:07:28] I apologize. Because the meet got there. The meet is a long time ago. That's what I meant. I'm so sorry. It's been a long day. It has. So yeah. This is before Babylon and the

[00:07:39] childy and Scott conquered by the meet Persian. Yes. That's what I meant. Got it. All right. So in the first year of Belchus are King of Babylon. Yeah. That's a mouthful. Daniel had a dream

[00:07:54] and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream because of course he did. Right. Daniel said, in my vision at night I looked and

[00:08:06] there before me were the four winds of heaven turning up the great sea. Four great beasts each different from the others came up out of the sea. Okay. The first was like a lion and it had the wings

[00:08:22] of an eagle that sounds like a sphinx kind of thing. It does. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being

[00:08:35] and the mind of a human was given to it. Huh. Okay. And there before me was a second beast. Okay. Which looked like a bear. It was raised up on one of its sides and it had three ribs

[00:08:48] in its mouth between its teeth. It was told get up and eat your fill of flesh. Okay. I don't know what way? Yeah. After that I looked and there before me was another beast so this is a third one.

[00:09:04] Sure. Yeah. One that looked like a leopard. A leopard. Okay. Lions are tight and bears oh mine. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Almost. Right. They interesting the first one was a combination of multiple creatures and that were just like single creatures. Just a bear. Right. You're just a bear.

[00:09:21] It's weird. It's weird. A little bird. Yeah. And on the leopard's back it had four wings like those birds. Never mind. Yeah, you did. It was just the bear that was by itself. The bear is

[00:09:30] boring. Boring. Oh bear. Fucking bears. Silly old bear. This beast had four heads. I wonder if they have did they have did they do commercials about wiping their aspect then? You think the

[00:09:42] Charming baby? Yeah. Were they in like talks with Charming back then to get to get in good? No. No. I got to say though the the easy tear stuff that they advertise on Charming.

[00:09:53] Yeah. It doesn't I've I've tried it. We don't have it here but we know some of it does and I tried it in both times I ripped a piece. And it did not rip along that easy tear edge. So the

[00:10:05] easy tear was not easily tearable. Just saying we are not sponsored by Charming and I'm calling bullshit on their fucking marketing. That's all I just had it through that out there since we're

[00:10:14] talking about bears a little bit. All right. Well, you were very excited to tell me about that bear and if it shits in the wood and if the toilet paper rips easily. So I'm going to go back because

[00:10:25] I think yeah. Sorry. I kind of got off track there. No, that's okay. So he sees a leopard and it has four wings. Yes. This beast had four heads. Whoa. That's the part you missed. Got it. I said that and then

[00:10:39] you were like, but the toilet paper though. I don't I mean he says it's a leopard but not many leopard have wings and or not many. Yeah. For head. So this seems uh either one. This one has both.

[00:10:54] It just has spots and that's what gave it away is that that's a that the distinguishing mark of the leopard or what makes you think it's a leopard. Right. I think my answer to seeing that we're

[00:11:04] like what in the everlasting fuck is that? Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's what that is. Some kind of wildcat thing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I have four heads and it was given authority to

[00:11:18] rule. Oh, I mean yeah with four heads I would think so right after that in my vision at night I looked again. I keep looking. Yeah. Maybe he needs to stop looking. Maybe what I think. Yeah.

[00:11:30] And there before me was a fourth beast terrifying and frightening and very powerful. Okay. It had large iron teeth. Iron teeth. Right. It crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. Huh. It was different from all the former beasts and it had 10 horns.

[00:11:52] Whoa. What? Well I was thinking about horns there before me was another horn a little one. What? Which came up among them in the same beast that had the iron feet or whatever the

[00:12:04] iron teeth. Iron teeth. I'm sorry. Iron teeth and horns and now a little one. Okay. A little horn yeah. Among the 10. Okay. Why don't see this in the significance here but okay? So it came up among

[00:12:15] them and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. Um so the little horn came up and was like boom and not the three of the big ones out. So not understanding what this one was going on here.

[00:12:27] This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully. A horn that had eyes in a mouth. Um yeah. The little horn that they

[00:12:40] you sharp the other three horns to the place. Yeah I had to go back and reread that it was the horn that had eyes in a mouth because I was like no it's the leopard. No it you're right it's

[00:12:50] the horn. Okay yeah the horn has eyes in a mouth. Iron teeth and then horns and one of the horns grew out of the other horns and had eyes in something that didn't teeth. mouth mouth.

[00:13:04] And he spoke boastfully. Right okay all right I'm just making sure I'm getting all this. Right right as I looked thrones were set in place and the engine of days took his seat,

[00:13:17] ancient of days is this the iron teeth beast with the horns and the mouth and the horns and the eyeballs. Um no this is Daniel saying as I looked because he's looking at all that. Right right but

[00:13:30] that ancient whatever beast thing is that is that referring to the one that they were just talking about the the one with the iron teeth or what what do you ask me? What are you read what she just read?

[00:13:40] I read as I looked and then quote thrones were set in a place and the ancient of days took his seat. Okay who is the ancient of days? Well it's capital letters so I'm gonna assume it's God.

[00:13:55] Right. And am I wrong? Why thought maybe it was one of the beasts that we just got then talking about the one with the iron teeth so I thought maybe that's what that was.

[00:14:03] I think it's God because look the next sentence says his clothing was as wide as snow. The hair of his head was white like wool. His throne, see, was flaming with fire and its wheels

[00:14:16] were all of the wheels. Oh go that wheels. Yeah. Go as Eke on there. Yeah. The wheels were all the blades. A river a fire was flowing coming out from before him. Okay. Thousands upon thousands

[00:14:31] attended him. Ten thousand times, ten thousands did before him. That's a lot of that's a lot. Yeah. The court was seated and the books were opened. Why? There's books I didn't know there were books.

[00:14:43] Well book is they have opened. Many of them. Okay. As at the end. That is. Yeah. And they were opened. Right. Then I continue to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking.

[00:14:56] Okay. So I'm confused. I think this is going to require a lot of like Q and A stuff here because why the fuck is the horn speaking? Now it was got done talking about the ancient days,

[00:15:07] the ancient days thing that's you know, guard is decked out in white and has white hair or something and he's in the light. And okay. I'm really kind of lost right now. I've just got to

[00:15:22] there's a lot going on. What's happened here? Yeah and what happened to the first three beasts? Yeah like they just we've moved on apparently. The bear was like I'm out. Yeah. I keep

[00:15:31] keeping with this. I kept looking until the beast, the fourth one you know. Yeah. The scary iron teeth one. Yeah. The leopard with four wings and foreheads and with the the six horns that screw teeth and eyeballs or something like that. I kept looking until the beast was

[00:15:49] slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. I'm assuming the ancient of days killed it. I don't know. I don't know but I've got to print this these boys. Sure.

[00:16:01] The other beast had been stripped of their authority but we're allowed to live for a period of time. Oh okay. So so the ancient days apparently you served the authority from all these others

[00:16:12] in that scary as beast had to be dealt with immediately because it was scary. Right? The other three were scared. One of them was just a fucking bear right? Yeah. Whatever. So they were really

[00:16:24] allowed to live because they weren't quite as scary maybe? Yeah. Oh sure. Okay. Sure. All right. In my vision at night I looked and there before me was one like a son of man

[00:16:36] coming with the clouds of heaven. Okay. This is where the Christians get their Jesus talk. Oh God. Yeah. Sure. Old Testament. All right. Okay. He approached the ancient of days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory, and sovereign power. All nations and

[00:16:57] peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. I see. Okay. So this is very,

[00:17:13] I mean Christians obviously read this bed. Yeah they did and they still do. Yeah. I mean before they wrote you know the question. Oh yes. Yes. That's all right. Absolutely. Yeah. I Daniel was troubled in spirit and the visions that passed through my mind disturbed me.

[00:17:33] I approached one of those standing there and asked him the meaning of all this. So he told me and gave me the interpretation of these things. One of those standing there is just one of the

[00:17:43] people in the ten thousand times, ten to thousands. Okay. All right. So here's what this guy says. Yeah. Okay. The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth. Okay. I wonder

[00:17:58] which one is the boring bear? But the holy people of the most high capital M capital H will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever. Yes forever and ever. Amen. Then I wanted to

[00:18:17] know the meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying with its iron teeth and bronze claws. That was that's new. Yeah. Guess it has some bronze claws. Headed are much the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled under foot

[00:18:34] whatever was left. I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head. I really want to know about all this shit. Like what the fuck is happening? Right. Like oh you got high with a zikyo.

[00:18:45] Right. I see. Yeah. So I want to see if these prophets had wait too much free time and wait to many drugs. Yeah. Because their dreams were sick. Yeah. Okay. So I wanted to know about the

[00:18:56] ten horns on its head and about that other horn that came up before which three of them fell. The horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and mouth this. But

[00:19:07] both, bothfully. Yeah. Right. I'm curious. Sure. As I watched this horn was waging war against the holy people and defeating them as horns do. Yeah. Right. That's a thing that happened. Sure. Until the capital ancient of days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the holy people

[00:19:28] of the most high capital. Okay. And the time came when they possessed the kingdom. He gave me this explanation, the dude. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't even remember what this is. Right. Like I'm definitely going to need this explanation. I hope it actually

[00:19:44] does something. Sure. The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down

[00:19:57] and crushing it. Oh. Okay. I think I was talking to my dad about Bible things and he was like Daniel blah blah. And I was like, hey, I'm reading that book right now. Yeah. So then he was like,

[00:20:10] yeah, we're in the end days. It's happening and Russia is the big one that's coming. Oh wait. So okay. That confuses the fuck out of me. Why is the right wing so friendly about Russia when

[00:20:23] they if apparently the Christian right thinks that Russia is that fourth beast? They're so excited because as soon as all this shit happens, they get tribulated right up to heaven. And this is why

[00:20:34] Christians should not be in charge of decision making. Right. Because they're like, yes, it's the end days and we're like, that's not us. We don't we don't want that guys. Yeah. That's not how this

[00:20:45] works. And they're like, we're going to heaven. I hope that for you. Right. You're you're wrong, but I hope that for you. Good luck with that. I don't want your cat. No. Just kidding. His sweet

[00:21:00] his old right and our cat wouldn't not get along. No, you know what? That's not necessarily true. When we stay with them for a little bit. They were the two that got together. They were the two that

[00:21:08] got along best. I think they'd be okay because hopefully they were like, man. I'll leave you alone. You leave me alone. That's your corner of this my corner. They'd be okay. All right. If my parents

[00:21:18] get tribulated up to heaven or wherever, we will take their cat. All right. Sounds great. All right. The 10 horns are 10 kings who will come from this kingdom. Okay. Kings who will come from

[00:21:32] this kingdom. After them, another king will rise. So this is a little more different from the earlier ones. He will subdue three kings. Okay. He will speak against the most high. You know,

[00:21:47] capital letters. Yeah. And oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time times and a half a time.

[00:22:03] What? This is so weird. Delivered into his hands for a time, times and a half a time. Sure. Time times and half a time. Right. I completely, and very lost. No, I think this is going to

[00:22:19] require a little bit of research. Oh, I am so lost. But the court will set and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Okay. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of

[00:22:35] all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the most high. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom and all rulers will worship and obey him. Oh, good. There's a jesusy

[00:22:48] way. Yeah. Sure. This is the end of the matter. I Daniel was deeply troubled by my thoughts and my face turned pale, but I kept the matter to myself. The end. Oh, you didn't keep it to yourself.

[00:23:01] You wrote it down here. You wrote it in your journal and then you got your journal published. Bitch. Right. Like what? Now, that's a certain thing. That's a certain thing. Whatever. But yeah, you're sitting here telling where you're sitting here reading the fucking story. So you

[00:23:16] obviously didn't keep it to yourself. Right. Right. Because it's over. That dream is kind of fucked. Yeah. Like I don't care what it means. It doesn't make look if I had this kind of dream,

[00:23:28] which I mean, I've had some crazy dreams. Sure. If I had this kind of dream, I would roll over and go back to sleep to try to dream a different dream to get that shit out my

[00:23:38] head. Right. Like I clearly did not get enough sleep. I need more sleep. That cannot be the last dream that I had. I certainly wouldn't be the attribution of meaning to these figures that

[00:23:53] they're in this story is somewhat absurd in my opinion. Like I get that these are supposed to represent kingdoms and kings and the people, the people that follow the Almighty, Elm High,

[00:24:11] whatever the fuck is going on there. And then this other person that came in that's going to rule and rule forever, I get to there's all this symbolism here. But you could attribute this to like,

[00:24:24] I mean, it could attribute, you could, you could, you could have seen it. You could have seen it. You don't. Right. Four donuts. Okay. And one of them was glist. Like that would make as much sense.

[00:24:35] Right. I mean, look, I have this sneaking suspicion that when we go research this, right? We're going to find all this information about Jesus and this coming kingdom and how everything's going to be perfect in God's eye and they've related each one of these things to a specific

[00:24:53] king or kingdom or whatever and that's how this is all going to break down, right? But just reading through this vision, I might do. That's a fucked up dream. You need therapy. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:05] Effectively. Maybe what or is it maybe better sleep? You know, like you're obviously not sleeping well. Something went wrong here. What is that mattress that on the soft mattress? Right. That's what I keep hearing advertised on like every podcast ever. Right. Not sponsored, not sponsored.

[00:25:22] All right. I have a couple notes ready. The four kingdoms represented here are the same four kingdoms illustrated in chapter two. Okay. Okay. And chapter two was, um, shit. Which one was chapter two? Uh, that was what they were going to do. Oh no. The chapter two

[00:25:43] was the one where the king had the dream and he was going to chop everybody into pieces. That's right. And then Daniel was like, whoa, whoa, wait. Give me a night to think on it and then

[00:25:52] then they prayed and were like, yeah, can you tell me though? Sure. Yeah. Okay. So this is the same four kingdoms, which is the chaldeans, the meadow Persians, uh, the Macedonian or Greeceian, okay, both combo whatever and the Romans. But there is a difference in emphasis

[00:26:16] whereas the vision given to King Nebuchadnezzar dealt in general with the historical significance of the events symbolized. Yeah. The vision given to Daniel here in this chapter, dealt more with how these events would affect God's people. Okay. That didn't clear much up for me.

[00:26:36] But I'm just putting it out there. Right. Right. So I guess historically this is how this translates out, right? But to me, it just sounded like a crazy dream. Yeah. But okay. That's what it means. Another thing that I picked up in my notes was that the people,

[00:26:54] like when Daniel was like, yo, yo, what is all this? And then the one of the thousands or whatever turned to a man started to explain to you. Yeah. Yeah. That was one of God's heavenly servants.

[00:27:05] And I don't know how you get that. I didn't get that. Right. It was just one of the thousands. Sure. And what, what? Right. I don't know. But anyway, I don't understand the need to take, like,

[00:27:20] there's these ideas that of things to come in prophecies to happen and all these things, right? Why did they need to put these ideas into the form of crazy as imagery? Right. Like what is

[00:27:32] it? Why did they need to do that? Why do you have to be a magic eight-ball just talk? Just use your goddamn words. I think I honestly believe that it's done so that if they're wrong,

[00:27:43] it's not wrong. Right. They can, it's, it's, it's like telling someone, the reading someone's palm, right? You just do a very general idea and you can't be that wrong. Right. People will then attribute meaning to things that you say regardless of what actually happened. Do you know

[00:28:02] somebody whose name starts with an S? Right. I mean, who doesn't? Sure. So yeah, I don't get this chapter and I did take notes. I did try to be prepared for it but my notes are not enough because that's

[00:28:18] all the notes that I really have to talk about what happened here. One thing I am curious about when we do a Q&A or maybe in the next chapter is we were discussing the last time about how

[00:28:31] this was written 200, like around the 200 BCE timeframe. But were they, were both these versions like the one through six and the seven through whatever? Were they both written in that same time frame

[00:28:43] or are there different ideas as to when each section was written? I'm just curious. I have to look into that more because of the answer that I was given, not having asked that question, what's that they were all around the same time frame. Yeah. But they're obviously different

[00:29:02] languages that they spawned from. Right. I suppose it's still possible maybe some of these stories were collected and some of them were written, right? So maybe it was all put together at the same time.

[00:29:15] The first six were the aeromatic ones that had been around forever or whatever. So I would assume that those were the ones that were collected from, you know, and it was somewhat because there's

[00:29:27] been some. Obviously, because they put the name Daniel in and blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. But I would assume that the visions and the seven through 12. This is the newly creative stuff

[00:29:38] that they came up with. Which also kind of makes some sense because this vision right here that we're reading or read, it sounds very ezekielish as you were saying. We were kind of leaning

[00:29:50] that direction. Yeah. And what we know of those times is that these latter profits, right? They were becoming more and more prominent in this religion that as Judaism, right? And I don't know that

[00:30:02] they overlapped, but they might have the message that they were studying whatever. Yeah. Like the little cult thing that they were growing might have overlapped both of them even if Ezekiel and Daniel did not necessarily overlap. One of these people that were writing this in the 200 BC time

[00:30:22] frame were studying Ezekiel and whatnot. It would make sense that some of the stylings and the ideas from those books would make it into this new book that they're writing. So it can make some

[00:30:34] sense that way, I guess. But that was a crazy ice cream. Yeah. Not a fan. I mean, it's interesting. I like the imagery of the descriptions of the creatures and it gives you a lot to like visualize.

[00:30:52] Sure. But it's not an easy idea to follow because there's not really a coherent message. There's too much happening. Right. Like, okay, there's this thing in fiction where you can't have too many magical things happen because it's asking the audience to believe too much. Right. So

[00:31:14] you can have um, wait. I don't know. You can have aliens, but you can't also have God. And that's why the movie signs did not do really well. Got it. So it's asking too many

[00:31:29] different opposing magical ideas. Sure. That makes sense. Yeah. And then I feel like there was about 10 different things happening. There was all over the fucking place for sure. I don't really think

[00:31:43] we have much else to say except for that we probably need to touch on this episode when we go back on our Q&A. So yeah, um, that was our that was Daniel chapter seven. Sure. It's

[00:31:52] what? Which means that tomorrow will be back with Daniel chapter eight. And I think we're also going to try to get out our second episode for the Patreon. All right. And we'll see you guys then. Bye.

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