Ever pondered whether ancient prophecies are more mind-bending than your last Tinder date? Brace yourself for a wild theological ride through the chaotic world of Gog and Magog!
In this episode of "Sacrilegious Discourse," we dive headfirst into the baffling prophecies of Ezekiel Chapter 39. Spoiler alert: God has some pretty bizarre plans involving ancient armies, vultures, and a feast that puts your Thanksgiving turkey to shame. We unravel the enigmatic identities of Gog and Magog, draw laughable parallels to biblical heavyweights like Moses and Pharaoh, and question God's oddly specific intentions. And just when you thought things couldn't get weirder, we throw in some unsettling Applebee's parking lot anecdotes and zombie movie references. As we balance humor and horror, you'll find yourself both entertained and mystified by the theological adventures we uncover.
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[00:00:42] Buddhist on Patreon. Wife! Do you remember what we read yesterday and where we are today? Well, yesterday we read Ezekiel Chapter 38. Sure, I was about to read it. And in that episode we read about Gog in Magog. Gog of Magog. Gog of Magog. Mm-hmm.
[00:01:04] Yeah. And we don't know who the fuck Gog of Magog is but it might be Gog and Magog or Gog of Magog. There's a lot of Gog's in Magogs. Here are Gog, there are Gog everywhere, Gog Gog.
[00:01:15] Yeah. But essentially, God has a Zekeel prophesizing to Gog of Magog. And again, we don't know who that is or where they are because no one really knows what that is. And so we're just guessing that it is some sort of a prophecy towards something future that
[00:01:35] might happen in Israel with regard to the Bible. And of course there's all kinds of people that have different interpretations because no one knows what this actually is. So therefore, you know, Jesus gets involved and the Jewish people get involved
[00:01:51] and probably even, yeah, it's all over the fucking place. Well, because this Gog of Magog or Gog and Magog show up in the Bible and the Quran. Got it. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, maybe the Quran gets involved. Yeah, because what the fuck?
[00:02:09] Yeah, yeah, it's not, it's weird. It's weird. So anyway, that's as much as we know about Zekeel chapter 38, which means that today we're getting into. Zekeel chapter 39 with more of Gog. Alright, let's do this. Okay, dokey.
[00:02:30] Alright, we are hopping into Zekeel chapter 39 or as I like to call it, easy Kyle. Yes. And as I said in the intro, this is a continuation from yesterday's episode about Gog of Magog. Right. Okay. Son of man. Yeah, mere human. You're fucking worm.
[00:02:51] Prophecy against Gog and say, this is what Solvenomor says. I'm against your Gog. Chief Prince of Mishikken, too. Yeah. I will turn you around and drag you along. This must be after the earthquake that shook the world. Great, great. Yeah, yeah.
[00:03:11] I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will strike your bow, bow, bow, bow from your left hand. You both go. Yeah, yeah. And make your arrows yet bow. Make your arrows drop from your right hand. Okay, okay.
[00:03:31] This is sounding, you remember back when Moses was fighting in Pharaoh. Yeah. And not fighting, but like doing his magic displays in front of Pharaoh and trying to convince him to leave Egypt, right? And God was like Moses, go do these things. Yeah. Right.
[00:03:48] And then God was also like, but I'm also going to harden Pharaoh's heart and he's not going to accept it. And so you're going to fail. Right. So he's doing both those things at the same time. Right. Why, why, why are you?
[00:04:01] You know, if you want them, what's the fucking point, right? So in he, this is this is similar. This is similar because he's telling God, I'm going to bring you against my people. And then when you get here, I'm going to fuck you up.
[00:04:15] Well, it also sounds like somebody watched too much of those super sands with Goku. Because like all I can picture is somebody in that like pose where they're like, they're leaping across the sky. Yeah. And they're going, heeeey. Look for ever. And they never land. Yes. I, yeah.
[00:04:40] That's classic anime, whatever. Yeah. Jumping thing. The jumping thing. Jumping. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So God is continuing to speak perseq. Yeah. Two. God. Yes. Right. On the mountains of Israel, you will fall. You and all your troops and the nations with you. Okay.
[00:05:00] I will give you as food to all kinds of carryin birds to the wild animals. Okay. Yeah. You will fall in the open field. Right. Spoken to clears the sovereign Lord. Got it. Yeah. I'm not just going to fuck your shit up.
[00:05:16] I'm going to feed you to the fucking vultures and shit. If God's the one bringing them, though, it still, I'm just going to kind of stuck on this. Okay. Hold on. But you said that before and I let it go.
[00:05:27] I don't think it said specifically that he's bringing them. It just said, y'all are going to be coming this way. And that's not, I'm going to stop you. You know what? He said he's going to send them against Israel.
[00:05:39] Like that's what it said at the beginning of this chapter. Sending them against? Yeah. Yeah. They said that specifically. I'm against you, God. I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring, oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. You're right. Okay. Yeah.
[00:05:53] He's causing them to go to Israel. Specifically, like somebody who was just over there might in their own whatever. Right. Maybe, maybe not. But, uh, mentioned them up until now. Right. But it's like, at the same time he's saying he's going to send them against Israel.
[00:06:09] He's also saying, okay, now prophecy to these people and tell them that I'm going to kill the fuck out of them when they get here. Let me ask you, if you're a Zikil, are you going up north to look for God and be like, hey, guess what?
[00:06:20] No, bro. No, is it you'll never did this? Mm-hmm. This is bullshit. Yeah. You will fall in the open field for I've spoken to Claire's the sovereign Lord. And well, as Zikil spoke anyway, I will send fire on the
[00:06:34] Gogg and on those who live in safety in the coastlands and they'll know that I'm the Lord. Wait, what the coast, the Pooor just talking about the north. Now we're talking about the coastlands? Sure. He's just going to kill everybody when this happens. No, fuck everybody else.
[00:06:46] Except for the Israelites. I'm like, I'm God. I'm a petty little bitch. I fuck everybody else. I mean, really, and then that's just what he does. He's killing people in discriminating. You have magic, right? Yeah. Okay. So you have magic. You're God and you have magic. Sure. Okay.
[00:07:02] And I am Zikil. Okay. So now you tell me what you're going to do. What? I tell you what I'm going to do. You're God with magic. And I'm a Zikil. If I'm God with magic, I'm going to say... Talk to me. I'm a Zikil. Talk to me.
[00:07:17] Yeah. Tell the people that they're going to be awesome and they're going to be all right because I'm not going to leave alone if they need help. I'll help them out. Oh my gosh, that's awesome. Yeah. And... Right. The end. That's a great book. Yeah.
[00:07:30] I love that story. Yeah, that pretty much covers everything up to current state. Look at the old chapter of our God. If I forgot. That's chapter one. Okay. This is chapter two. Okay. All right. I'm a Zikil still and you're still God with magic. Sure. Sure. Yeah.
[00:07:42] Hey, God. Uh-huh. Um, so there's some people here that are dying of like, leprosy or whatever. Do I'll cure? I'm obviously sweet. Sweet. Yeah. The end. Yeah, the end. Okay. Chapter three. Sure. Yeah, ready? Ready? Okay. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey.
[00:07:58] My index size here online. I'm like this. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah, what? What's up? There's some people to the north and Diki Patakia's and we're not trying to bother them and like, they're bugging us and I don't want like them to die or anything.
[00:08:12] So I'm not trying to ask you. Sure. You've heard of all the totally just chains of their hearts and I'll make them stop doing that. Really? Oh, that would be so cool of you. Is there anything I can do to help?
[00:08:21] I mean, just don't be a dick, you know? Okay. Yeah. I can do that. I like feed the medium. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, what? What if there's no needy God? Is that something we can work out? I mean, I can see what I can do. Yeah.
[00:08:35] I think we could, I think we could figure something out. The end. Okay. What a great fucking book, right? Wow. I love this book. Okay. That was fun. Yeah. You see how it's real easy. Yeah, I think maybe I should take over his job. Yeah.
[00:08:50] You can't do worse. No, no, you really can't. And I think I did a good asykeal because I was still doing an acid trip. Yeah. Because I was seeing God. Right. But I think I asked for the right things. Yeah. And I think that counts for something somewhere.
[00:09:08] Sure. Yeah. I actually, this is something we may not make or sue in the future. And we still have the information available for it in the podcast ready to go if we want to do it.
[00:09:19] But like, I was toying with the idea of creating a podcast called God Recreeter. And just hiring the next God. Yeah. I thought that would be really, really fun. But honestly, I think you would do a good job. Yeah. I think I could do a good job. Yeah.
[00:09:39] But I definitely will be what I can do better than God. Yeah. In the Bible. Yeah. The Bible. The Bible. The Bible had a God. I says God according to his E.G.O will make my holy name known among my people is real.
[00:09:58] If they don't fucking know their name by now, then they must just not know God. I will no longer let my holy name be profained. And the nations will know that I, the Lord and the Holy one in Israel.
[00:10:13] Didn't we solve this when he brought them back to Israel? Remember how you are fixing their hearts and all that stuff? Yeah. So I don't understand this not being profited. Like is he talking about people in other countries for phaming him? Yeah.
[00:10:23] He's still so fucking worried about what the people that he created, but that aren't his chosen ones, what they think of him. Okay. And I'm like, what if you just choose to them too? Yeah. I mean, you are God. You made everybody hate. You made everybody hate.
[00:10:38] Hypothetically have the ability and have used the ability according to the Bible to change other people's in not your nations hearts. Right. You just do it to the people that are profaning you. That would be so much easier, wouldn't it? Right. It would be nicer.
[00:10:51] You can snap your fingers and in six days come up with all the universe creation and everything. Certainly, you can change like 6,000 people's hearts, right? It doesn't seem like that big of a task at that point. Right. Yeah. You already invented these people.
[00:11:05] You know how they work and you can obviously do that. So just fucking do it. Yeah. You can rest on the six that are shoving thayer something. I mean, you know, whatever you need man. Yeah. We're good with that. Sure. It is coming. Cheap. Yeah, it is. Okay.
[00:11:21] It will surely take place to clear the sovereign Lord. Yes, I come in. Yes. It's a common. Yeah. This is the day I have spoken of. The day. Okay. This is the day he's spoken of. Yeah. This is the day that God's coming to.
[00:11:34] You know how I was talking just then? Yeah. That's what I said. Okay. I said what I said. Got it. So this changed from a prophecy to current day. I don't know. All right. I'll leave there.
[00:11:46] Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears for seven years they will use them for fuel. Seven years. Seven years.
[00:12:02] That's a lot of fucking shields and spears. I don't think spears burn that well. That's a long fight. I guess there is a wooden shaft to burn that. Yeah. That is a long burning fire. It really is. It really is. Hmm.
[00:12:15] I mean, he's just saying he's going to kill a lot of fucking people. Yeah. That's all he's saying. Yeah. It's a little bit more darkly poetic than as numerous as the stars in the sky or the sand on the beach.
[00:12:28] It really depends on how many fires they have going I think. Like if you had just one fire maybe you could keep that one for seven years if you know whatever. But if everybody's got their own fire in their own place. Right.
[00:12:39] That's like a few weeks maybe at most. If you had, you know, I don't think they had any more than they couldn't have any more than like 500,000 people. But that's probably even given them too much credit right? I agree.
[00:12:52] And if they even if they had that many people, I don't think that that wouldn't last seven years. No. Not if it was multiple fires. It lasted week. And if it was a bomb fire even that would probably be quick too. Yeah.
[00:13:02] They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forest because they will use the weapons for fuel. Okay. Yeah. I mean, and they will plunder those who plunder them and loot those who looted them
[00:13:17] declares the sovereign Lord because I don't recall God ever looting any of these people. This is just him sending them unless he's referring to if he's referring to this being Babylon that would make sense. Yeah. And yesterday we did say that God might be a code word for
[00:13:36] Babylon. And that reference right there makes me think that maybe that's what he's talking about. Right. He's like we're going to get you back. You fucking Babylon bitches. Yeah. But we can't say your name because we're scared and I'm God, and I'm scared.
[00:13:51] I think one of the biggest problems with the Bible is that some of this stuff we can kind of agree that this is about that, right? Yeah. But most of it is so vague as to you can just interpret these things in the Bible anyway you want.
[00:14:03] You mean kind of like how myths are? Yeah. I mean kind of like how legends are. Right. You mean kind of like how stories of old like the Greek and Roman gods are? Yes. Interesting. Yeah. Say less. Right. On that day continues God according to his E.K.
[00:14:23] Uh-huh. I will give God a burial place in Israel in the valley of those who travel east of the capital letter C. Okay. East of the sea. So with the capital letter C, be like the they already got rid of that and they
[00:14:41] know what they mean by the sea with the capital letter. I mean I would assume it means the pool they built with the but that got just known by Babylon so because they did call that the sea I believe. They did. Yes. But that doesn't make any sense.
[00:14:56] Yeah. I don't know. But it's the capital letter. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It will block the way of travelers because God and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the valley of Hammond Gog. Hmm. I wonder if that's a valley that still exists.
[00:15:15] I don't know. I don't even. For seven months the Israelites will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. Damn. That's a lot of fucking bodies. Right. That could be um Babylon. Yeah.
[00:15:29] All the people of the land will bury them and the day I display my glory will be a memorable day for them to clear the sovereign Lord. People will be continually employed in cleansing the land.
[00:15:40] They will spread out across the land and along with others, they will bury any bodies that are lying on the ground. After the seven months they will carry out a more detailed search. Okay. And you're looking up the. I'm looking. I'm seeing that valley exists.
[00:15:56] I'm kind of curious that we got still there. You got. As they go through the land, anyone who sees a human bone will leave a marker beside it until the grave diggers bury it in the valley of Hammond Gog. Hammond. Hammond Gog. Got it. Okay. It's H-A-M-O-N. H-A-M-O-N.
[00:16:14] Okay. Valley of Hammond Gog. Got it. Neurotown called Hamana. Okay. And so they will cleanse the land. Son of man. Yes. You mere human. You're fucking worm. This is what the sovereign Lord says. Okay. Call out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals. A symbol.
[00:16:38] Avengers a symbol. And come together, which is what a symbol means from all around to the sacrifice I'm preparing for you. The great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel. There you will eat flesh and drink blood. What the fuck? You will eat the weight holder.
[00:16:57] It just says, well I should. It might mean the animal. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Yeah. Now just to FYI we're real quick where you're holding on. The Valley of Hammond Gog does not officially exist.
[00:17:12] So they, there's a lot of, it has a lot of symbolic meaning, but there is not actually a place that anyone is actually aware. They say it hasn't been discovered yet. Which, please me to believe that it doesn't exist. Right.
[00:17:27] I would think that if you buried that many fucking people in the ground, it would show up. It probably would be something that somebody would remember even from that far back. Yeah. And it would make stories to where people would still know where it is.
[00:17:38] Oh, also that reminds me there's this kind of geological study from the air that people do now where from from the air like in the air. Right. That they can see different kinds of markers and how the vegetation grows or doesn't grow as the case may be. Yeah.
[00:18:01] And so they're using that to help identify dinosaur bones and things like that, right? It's just dinosaur bones. But anything that is buried or underground or whatever. Right. And so you would think that a big gigantic valley of buried bones. Right. Probably show up. Yeah.
[00:18:23] Somehow like the vegetation or something would surely look different in that at the very least it would look different there.
[00:18:30] I'm not saying that it would be a giant marker that says, like a body's buried here, but it would be like, hey, there's a giant circle down there where the growth is different. Yeah. Let's check that out. Right. Okay.
[00:18:43] So I went back a little ways and no, he's not saying people come eat the flesh and drink the blood. Okay. He's saying he called out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals. Oh.
[00:18:55] So he's saying say to those birds and wild animals, assemble and come together from all around to the sacrifice I am preparing for you the animals. I see. So he's talking to the animals right now. Okay.
[00:19:08] The great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel there you will eat flesh and drink blood. So this is interesting because normally the animals are sacrifice and then the humans eat them. But if this case they're sacrificing the men to the animals. Right. That's interesting. Yeah. Okay.
[00:19:28] You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth as if they were Rams and lamb's goats and bulls. All of them fattened animals from Bashan, Ag of Bashan. Yeah. Yeah. Gog and. Gog and. Oh, yeah. That's interesting.
[00:19:47] But all of a shan is. I think. Yes. It's definitely prior to this. So I'll get. Ag of Bashan is gone right. Right. And. Gog and Macog are now a gag. Right. At the sacrifice I'm preparing for you animals and birds.
[00:20:06] You will eat fat till you are glutted and drink blood till you are drunk. I want to see a drunk bird. Yeah. That would be funny as fuck. Yes. At my table, you will eat your fill of horses and writers, mighty men and soldiers of every kind.
[00:20:23] Declares the sovereign Lord. Okay. I know it's animals eating them. It's gross. Yes. Honestly. It is. I don't want to see or even imagine that. No. It's just an image isn't my mind that I can conjure up as one like a bird is like picking at it.
[00:20:38] Oh, God. And it like picks up the tendon and like, you know, see that. Jesus Christ. It's so gross. Yeah. Yeah. That happens in like the stand. Yeah. There's a place where that happens. Oh. And then I saw that apple these once. Shut up. I did.
[00:20:57] I was standing at the parking lot watching a bird do this. I'm like, oh my god. That is absolutely. Yeah. I know. It happened in 28 days later. Like the bird is chewing on a piece of human flesh that's hanging up there.
[00:21:12] Just to be clear, wasn't a human that the bird was eating on in the apple. We was parking lot. It was like a rabbit or something. Okay. Yeah.
[00:21:18] So the bird in 28 days later he's chewing on this thing and the dad looks up right as a drop of the infected blood flow into his eye. Yeah. And then he goes on beat. But before he does, he's like telling his daughter to get away. Right.
[00:21:36] Doesn't want to. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh god. I cried and was terrified. Oh that movie was so good. Yeah. I mean, yes. I'm horrified of zombies, but I'm also like morbidly at the back hit thing. Yeah. Great.
[00:21:50] The best zombie movies are the ones that make me feel the most scared but have the best stories. Like 28 days later. I love that movie. Yeah. That's one of my all time favorite movies. Okay. Okay. Sorry. No zombies here. No zombies. Just animals eating humans. Right. Yeah.
[00:22:10] I will display my glory among the nations and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. Yeah. They will fear you then Jesus. They still won't.
[00:22:20] Though because he's not well, I mean, he's saying that he's going to kill all these people. Right. But really it's not going to be him. He never does. Right. So I mean, he. Okay. Let me let me backtrack.
[00:22:30] There have been a couple instances in the Bible where he claims to have killed lots of people. But without without without without the help of humans. Right. Like he opens up the earth and shoves them into a crevice or like he zaps them. There was one back.
[00:22:46] It might have been a camera which which book it was in, but I remember him killing like 180,000 people. Yeah. Just with a wave of a hand type thing. Yeah. But these are a few and far between where he does these types of things.
[00:22:57] They were all like super, super early on. Right. Which makes it to pretty questionable because it's pentatoo magic times. Yeah. Because there was a lot more. They weren't even referencing like historical events at those points.
[00:23:10] They were talking about it was just a lot of symbolism and you know, the creation we were still on creation is I'm honestly. Right. So I didn't take any of those stories very literally at the time. Right. But now we're talking about history of an eye.
[00:23:24] And they don't ever. And when it's actually happening, they never describe it as God is actually just like snoring. It's always dreable did things. Right. That his behest. But sure. Okay. I bet that those people would beg to differ. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
[00:23:43] I know I was fighting some dude. Man. I wasn't fighting God. Yeah. My king told me to go there. So I did. Right. That's how it works. Yeah. They're coming up with time machines. We should go back and interview some of these people. Right. Oh my god.
[00:23:56] That'd be amazing. From that day forward, the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. Yeah. That's when that day forward. He keeps saying that. It's like we never know.
[00:24:08] If he actually said that if what he says actually stood the test of time in any sense, yeah. He they would know his name was the Lord from like forever ago. Yeah. But apparently they keep. They keep not knowing and he's like this will work.
[00:24:23] And then it's like no, they still don't know that your name is the Lord. Yeah. You don't you don't have to keep saying that if it works. So you know when when it say it works, if it works, if it doesn't, it didn't. Yeah.
[00:24:35] And you have to stop saying it over and over. Right. Because you're a try hard. You just can't believe you anymore. Yeah. I'm sorry you in so bro. And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin because
[00:24:50] they were unfaithful to me. Wait, wait, wait. Why are we talking about the end of the end? But why they're back and he already fixed that and we're talking about God attacking them and how they're going to burn their shield for like seven years.
[00:25:03] It would only make sense if we're talking about God in place of Babylon. Yeah. Then he could be like, you know, first my people were such butholes that they, you know, totally cheated on me with Egypt and Babylon and whatnot. Right.
[00:25:20] And then Babylon wiped them out because I said Babylon wiped them out and then later on, I was like, oh, I'm lonely because nobody is sucking my big God dig.
[00:25:29] So I will gather them back together and put them back in the land and then they will go get Babylon and kill them and then I could be like, hey, hey, Israel remember when you cheated on me? Right. That would make sense if God is a representation of
[00:25:48] Babylon. But it really wouldn't though if you, if you fixed your Israelites, if God fixed his Israelites, right? And their hearts were perfect and wonderful and everything was great then you don't have to bring that back up because they're already good. But who are we talking about?
[00:26:02] We're talking about a jealous petty piece of shit, God. Yeah. He is a small, purely honest. You can't even talk for himself. Right. Right. Exactly. The nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin because they were unfaithful to me. Yeah.
[00:26:20] So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies and they all fell by the sword. Okay. I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their fences and I hid my face from them again twice. Okay.
[00:26:33] Therefore, this is what the sovereign Lord says. Yeah. I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob and we'll have compassion on all the people of Israel and I will be zealous for my holy name. That's not love. Right. I am going to suck my own dick. Yeah.
[00:26:53] Like you do that but that is not proof of love. But also I thought we were talking about being in his chapter how he would already brought the Israelites back. Yeah. And this is saying that he's not like solidifying the deal until, you know, Gog of Magogas dead.
[00:27:08] Yeah. So I don't really get this but okay. It's also. It is. They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid.
[00:27:21] When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord of God.
[00:27:35] For though I sent them into exile among the nations. I will gather them to their own land not leaving any behind. I will no longer hide my face from them for I will pour out my spirit on the people of Israel to clear the sovereign Lord, the end.
[00:27:52] But just to make sure I point this out, I believe we actually did some research to where after the exile was over there were still like upwards of like a million Jewish people still living in any Egypt. Yeah. So he didn't bring them all back. No.
[00:28:08] In fact, there was quite a bit that he didn't bring back. Well, that's the thing that is still yet to come. Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot. This is that whole why we're still looking for the last tribes in the because it's prophecy.
[00:28:23] But yet if there's anything that I could maybe touch on that is reasonable in this chapter, it's that the person that he's talking about which is Gag of Magog, right? It only really makes sense if it was Babylon because of some of the phrasing they used
[00:28:39] in this chapter specifically. Yeah. And then the last chapter actually, there were some references that kind of allude the idea that this is Babylon that he's talking about coming back after the exiles over trying to re-conquer them. Yeah.
[00:28:53] But because it's so vague and we can't really discern who they're talking about, it leaves it open to interpretation. And maybe that was done on purpose. I mean, maybe that was rewritten later as something just because they're like, well, this never actually happened.
[00:29:09] We should probably rewrite this to make this something that might happen. Yeah. And that would make perfect sense. Right. But they left some of the word he meant so it makes it unclear. Right. Makes it very not.
[00:29:20] I certainly believe that this is probably still referencing near future much like the rest of the ZQ. Yes. I just can't prove that because it's the way it's written. Yeah.
[00:29:31] I don't think that it's like, you know, 100 years from now or way far in the future because that's not how they roll. That's not what they've been doing. Right. None of the profits that we've come across thus far have been anything.
[00:29:44] Like there's no hint that it's going to be 100 driven thousands of years off. Most of them are like answering yes, no kind of questions. Yeah. And like this is what we should do right now.
[00:29:56] I feel like the job of profits in biblical times was more of a advisory role. Advice the question. Yeah. So they were able to assess the situation on the ground and say, this is what's probably going to happen.
[00:30:10] And yes, they couched it in a way that God is saying it because you can't. I believe my feeling is this. You cannot as a person under a king talked to that person as though you're an equivalent. Right.
[00:30:25] And you have to invoke something higher than yourself in order to relay the message to that king. Right. Because that's because King's thought of themselves as the highest thing in the grant in the land. Yeah.
[00:30:37] So you have to invoke something higher than yourself in order to have this conversation as an advisor to the king. Mm-hmm. And that's why God's exist probably in a large part with with with in relation to how these things get written down.
[00:30:50] These are probably more likely, you know how like the CIA has planned. On what to do if this happens or that happens. Contendency plans for the safety of the United States, right? I feel like prophecies were more like contingency plans for kings. Right.
[00:31:05] Only again they had to talk to them as though they were getting the information from a God because Can't be smarter than the king. Right. Because the king knows everything. Right. Or they pull out a Sharpie and draw on a weather map and sure.
[00:31:21] And look, this is all just me hypothesizing what those things might be. But it makes sense to me. That makes the most political sense. Yeah. That makes sense to me. Yeah. I can get behind that idea that same. So that's why I said it. Again, we're not scholars.
[00:31:37] We're not academics. No. But we don't know shit. It doesn't hurt to ask these kind of questions, right? Right. Like I mean, there's no nobody knows what this fucking chapters about. I mean, I basically searched it while we were in the middle of the chapter.
[00:31:50] It doesn't hurt to ask questions, doesn't hurt to suppose what if this is the case? What if that's the case? Right. Yeah. And that's what I like doing. And I want to continue to do it.
[00:31:59] I would like to read this entire Bible story, but just only with politics and no God's stuff. I would like to reread this Bible with an apology, snare by, honestly. Like I feel like we might do this project again at some point. Yeah.
[00:32:15] Maybe multiple times just to do it with different tastes, with different points of view with, you know, because if we sat here with an apologist at the same table as us and we're like, okay, what's your take on this?
[00:32:27] I would love to respond to that and say, and then sit here and question them and say, okay, Not in a tacking way, just in a, I don't understand how you can get to that conclusion. Yeah, like, and you explain that further. Right.
[00:32:42] I feel like those would turn into some really long conversations though. So we'd have to do it very carefully and maybe I don't know how we would do that, but I would find those conversations interesting.
[00:32:53] So what I, you'd have to find a Christian that would be willing to be questioned. Yeah. And that would actually be open to conversation openly. Well, and one that also is very versed in the Bible. Right.
[00:33:09] So like that's going to be a rare bird that we would find that we're willing to do all of those and spend time with us on top of that. Right. And be associated with an atheist podcast that drops F bombs. Right.
[00:33:21] So there's all that that's blocking us from doing that, but we got time. Yeah. Figure that out. Let's just get, we'll just make, if everybody out there to share us, shares our posts, shares our podcast, whatever.
[00:33:31] We can become like the most famous Bible study atheist Bible study out there. And then, you know, we can like get some big names and we'll have some pool and we can do these things. So go share our shit. But only with the cool people.
[00:33:45] I'm not sure what they're going to give a fuck. Oh, this is to it. Yeah, but I mean, only cool people can come on our podcast. Oh, yeah. That's what I meant. Well, I don't. I mean, the people that come on our podcast are completely up to us.
[00:33:59] Yeah. That's that's our decision. We're rambling way off. Fucking you are. I am. I am. So I mean, we should probably just end this because I don't know what else I'm doing. No. All right. Okay, bye. No, no, that was a ZKL chapter 39. Yes.
[00:34:15] We'll be back tomorrow with ZKL chapter 40. All right. Now we can do it. Okay, bye.