Exodus Contradictions

[00:00:00] Husband Yes, wife. Let's read the Bible. But we're atheist. Why would we want to do such a thing? Because we live in small town USA and everyone around us quotes this thing extensively and we have no idea how to respond. That's true. Neither of us grew up with religion yet Christianity is playing a huge part in our country's politics We're not scholars or academics so Sacrilegious Discourse is our first take reaction This feed houses our reading of the book of Exodus and each subsequent book

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[00:00:51] Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. I'm husband and I'm wife. Together we're reading the Bible for the very first time. We grew up without religion and wanted to know what all the fuss was about. Well, what do we learn so far? That God is a dick and apparently some people believe in talking donkeys?

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[00:01:30] Husband! wife! What the heck are we doing? I think we're doing kind of a special episode but we're going back to do something that we should have done a while ago.

[00:01:40] The first time around. Well, it's still the first time around. Well, when we were actually there. Oh yeah, so what are we doing today?

[00:01:49] So we never did a contradictions episode or Exodus. Yeah, so we are doing a special throwback to Exodus to appear in the Exodus thread or stream.

[00:02:05] Correct. And just so you know if you happen to be listening to this not on the Exodus stream, you're going to want to go over there right now because this is all there will be on our regular stream

[00:02:16] and the whole episode will be on our other podcast for Exodus standalone. So go over there and check it out.

[00:02:23] And then you can hear your always wrong for Exodus. For Exodus. Yeah, so good. Let's go do this shit.

[00:02:33] Sorry, I'm a little off day. I'm feeling a little under the weather. Under the weather. Something like that. Yeah, let's go. Let's go.

[00:02:42] Okay.

[00:02:52] Okay, let's get into this. You're always wrong for Exodus. Yeah, let's do it. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready.

[00:02:59] Question one. Who appeared to Moses in the burning bush? God. Well, of course. Yeah, because according to Exodus chapter three, verse four.

[00:03:10] And when the Lord saw that he had turned the side to see God called unto him out of the midst of the bush and said Moses.

[00:03:17] Right. Because this is like common sense almost what there's no fucking way. Not this time. No, always wrong.

[00:03:25] What the fuck? How can I be wrong? It's an angel. According to Exodus chapter three, verse two. And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush.

[00:03:37] And he looked and behold the bush burned with fire and the bush was not consumed. Was it God or was it an angel of the Lord?

[00:03:44] It said both, huh? Interesting. Like basically from one verse to the next. That's really odd. Yeah.

[00:03:51] In verse two of chapter three, these are both the same chapters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Verse two, it's an angel of the Lord. Verse four, it's the Lord.

[00:04:01] I feel like that's one of those things that you could trip people up on just like at a bar or something. Who was in the burning bush? Who was it?

[00:04:08] Who was it? God. I don't know. Was it? It could be a couple things because contradictions. And I'm always fucking wrong. So, it's right, you're wrong too.

[00:04:20] Yeah. Which everyone you pick, you're wrong. That's the name of the game. That's the whole point. Yeah.

[00:04:26] So number two, what is God's name? Okay. I'm going to give you some multiple choices. Okay. Yeah. Unless you know some of them. Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim, only one of those is among the choices because the other ones we haven't got there yet. Oh, okay. This is only Exodus. Got it. Yeah. So God Almighty Jehovah, jealous and I am. Okay. Okay.

[00:04:53] So in Exodus chapter six, verse three, I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac and unto Jacob by the name of God Almighty. So that was his name there. Okay.

[00:05:06] Okay. In Exodus chapter six, verse three, so we haven't even left yet. He says my name is Jehovah. Okay. Yep. Okay. And then in Exodus chapter 34, so skip ahead a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:21] For thou shalt worship no other God for the Lord whose name is jealous is a jealous God. Hi, my name is jealous. Nice to meet you. Right? Like that's a lot of jealous. Good name is jealous.

[00:05:34] Right? But then going back before any of that in Exodus chapter three and God said unto Moses, I am that I am. And he said, thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I am have sent me unto you. This is my name forever.

[00:05:55] I see, but apparently not because not even in the same chapter is it your name forever? Right. Like literally three chapters later, you have two separate names. Right. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Yeah. It is. It is. But I like I like I think we should call. I think whenever we refer to God, we should call.

[00:06:11] Hey, jealous. Hey, jealousy. What's up? What up? It's appropriate. You know, it is very appropriate. Childish and silly just like God. Yeah. Yeah. Who is a dick? A jealous dick? Yes. Right. All right. Number three. Can God be seen?

[00:06:26] Yes or no. Okay. So yes. Yes. Okay. So yeah, in Genesis chapter 12, we've got and the Lord appeared unto Abram and said unto thy seed, will I give this land? And they're building he an altar unto the Lord who appeared unto him. Okay.

[00:06:44] And then in chapter 26 and the Lord appeared unto Isaac and said, go not down into Egypt. And then in chapter 35 still in Genesis, yeah, got appeared unto Jacob again and blessed him. And then in chapter six and God appeared on the Abraham and then same chapter, same verse. And I appeared on the Isaac, same chapter, same verse. And I appeared unto Jacob. Then skip ahead to Exodus. Yeah.

[00:07:10] Chapter 33 and the Lord spake to Moses face to face as a man speak of two with his friend. Right. Right. And then same chapter, but just a few verses later. And God and I God will take away my hand and thou Moses shall see my back parts. So yeah, people could see him. Right. Totally. Okay. But guess what? I'm wrong. You're always wrong because still in Exodus chapter 20 or I'm sorry chapter 33 verse 20.

[00:07:38] There shall no man see me and live. So not only won't you see me I'll kill your ass. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean to be fair to the statement. Technically none of us live forever. So I'm just saying, you know, eventually we all die. So technically yes, that is correct. Okay. All right. All alone. I'm just saying. Okay. Number four. Is it wrong to steal?

[00:08:05] Yes. Yes, yes. This time I'm speaking for my own personal morals that I have of my own volition. Right. Without fear of hell or promise of reward for heaven. Yeah. So yes, according to Exodus chapter 20 verse 15, thou shalt not steal. Don't do it. It's a baddie. Yeah. One of the 10 commandments thou shalt not steal. Don't fucking do it. Sure. Oh before you read the next bit, I should clarify. Yeah.

[00:08:34] Yeah. Yeah. That while I don't think stealing is good, I also don't always think it's the worst thing in the world. Right. So I just wanted to clarify that real quick. Sure. Because I'm not like one of those black and white. You everybody knows this. I think hopefully by now. Right. But unless you're just getting through Exodus, there may be I haven't said this yet. Right. But I don't think that everything is just black and white. Well, there's like what do you consider stealing? Like if I'm stealing to feed my family? Right. That should be right.

[00:09:04] I think it's kind of okay, I think. I don't know about okay, but it's forgiven understandable. Yes. Understandable. And if I'm stealing a pen from work or I'm stealing. Right. Who give the fuck? Yeah. It's not coming out. Anybody personal's pocket.

[00:09:17] I hated those questions when they're like when you're trying to get hired. I have you ever stolen anything from work, including up in or pencil. And I'm like, dude, if everybody answered this correctly, no one would pass this question. Right. Like there's one thing the real answer. Are you wanting the fake answer?

[00:09:32] It's not a real answer. Right. And then there's, you know, what I think you want to hear. Right. What you want to hear is, yeah, it's, I know it's not good to steal from work. Right. Right. So that's what I'll mark. I'll mark no of course not. I would never. But it's ridiculous. It is ridiculous.

[00:09:48] Even if by accident we've all stolen something from work. I mean, maybe not all. I'm sure there's one person out there that's like, I would never. And have not ever not even a pen. And I'm like, you know what? I call bullshit on that though. Honestly, you never took a pen from work.

[00:10:00] I just don't believe you. Right. Because that pen, that's like the quintessential joke. Like everybody has a pen that they leave places and they pick up. And then they're like, oh, I forgot I had this in my hand. Yeah. In fact, I want all of you out there right now. Listen to this. I want you to take a picture if you've got something sitting around that you stole from work as long as it's not going to get you into much trouble. Right. Take a picture of it. And you know, add us on Twitter. Yeah, actually, I want to see pictures of all the shit you stole. That would be funny. Right.

[00:10:28] Actually, all right. So, but guess what? What everybody? You're always wrong. No way. No. It is wrong to steal. Don't steal. Okay. I mean, it's not wrong to steal. I was going to say I thought we already covered that. Yeah, it is wrong to steal. Don't do it. Don't do it. We just covered this. Right. I can't. Yeah, you're doing this wrong. Is it wrong to steal? Why is always wrong?

[00:10:57] Life is always wrong. It's always wrong that you should count on that. Okay, the question is, is it wrong to steal? No. No, it's not wrong to steal.

[00:11:06] Why is it not wrong to steal? Everybody should steal. Ready? I'm ready. Okay. Exodus chapter three. Yeah. But every woman shall borrow of her neighbor and you shall spoil the Egyptians. So that was when they were still captives. And God was like, um, steal from your Egyptian neighbors. Your slave owners got it. Yeah, steal from them. Okay.

[00:11:26] So again, circumstances. Yes. Circumstances. Exactly. And then in chapter 11 it says, let every man borrow of his neighbor and every woman of her neighbors,

[00:11:35] jewels of silver and jewels of gold. Oh, they're stealing. They're stealing loot so that they can get going on the road. I see. Interesting.

[00:11:44] And then in chapter 12 and the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses and they borrowed. I like how they say borrowed. You took without asking.

[00:11:53] The Egyptians, the story that were to deal very gracefully I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And they spoiled of the Egyptians. Sure. Yeah, they did. Yeah. So yeah, it's fine to steal whatever. I'm right. Yeah. Again, just again, depends on the situation. And who you're stealing from. Yeah. Right. And why and who you are? Sure. Like nuance matters. Yeah. As long as God's on your side. And you know which side he's on currently at that point in time. Right then and there. Right. Then you're in good shape. Sure. Yeah.

[00:12:22] All right. Question number five. Okay. Who hardened the Pharaoh's heart? That was God. It was God. Of course. It was God. There's no question in my mind about that. Yeah, I remember that. It was God. Yeah. Exodus chapter seven. It says, and I will harden Pharaoh's heart and multiply my signs and the wonders in the land of Egypt. Right. And then same chapter just a few verses later. And he hardened Pharaoh's heart that he harkened not unto them as the Lord had said. But guess what? No.

[00:12:51] We're always wrong. I can't be wrong about this. This is bullshit. Pharaoh hardened his own heart. Bullshit. And God claimed credit for that so many God. Damn times. I know. I'm called. I call bullshit. Okay. Well, let's just read what it says in the Bible in Exodus chapter eight.

[00:13:11] Verse 15 says, but when Pharaoh saw that there was respite he hardened his heart. And it's not a capital. He's a lower case. He I'm not talking about God. We're talking about Pharaoh. Right. Right. Okay. And then same chapter verse 32. It says and Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time. Also neither would he let the people go?

[00:13:32] And then in chapter nine of Exodus verse 34 it says, and when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were seized he said yet more and hardened his heart. He and his servants. I'm going to call bullshit here in so far as God definitely said that he was going to harden Pharaoh's heart. Right. Maybe Pharaoh thought he was hardening his own heart. Right. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Maybe. Okay. Look. First of all, I don't believe in God. Right. So the whole things bullshit.

[00:14:02] Also, the story is probably bullshit based on any historical counts that were never written down by the very well written Egyptians. Right. They kept a lot of records. There's no Exodus written down in the history, which doesn't mean it didn't have him but maybe not on the scale. They're talking about and certainly not fucking plays and hardening of Pharaoh's heart and all this other bullshit. Right. Yeah. But

[00:14:27] in the book, in the Bible, God says multiple times he hardened Pharaoh's heart. And if we're taking this in canon in the Bible,

[00:14:37] or even even if we are just examining literature, we're analyzing a piece of literature. Right. What happened here? We ask anytime we read literature. Right. So what happened?

[00:14:50] Well, if God claims that he and he is an all-powerful supreme being. Right.

[00:14:56] Within the story. Within the story. And so if he has claimed that he is hardened Pharaoh's heart, how am I to believe then that Pharaoh did it of his own doing? Yeah.

[00:15:08] So like that's not I don't believe that. Right. You God got involved and you God made him harden his heart. Yeah. And now you're allowing the book to say that he hardened his own heart after that. Right.

[00:15:23] So I just don't buy it. I don't buy it. Exactly. Or really agree. Okay question number seven. To kill or not to kill, that is the question.

[00:15:34] So is it okay to kill or isn't it? No, it is never okay to kill. All right. Well, it is self defense that that's okay. And generally speaking, it's never okay to kill. Okay.

[00:15:49] I'm just gonna leave it. I'm just gonna leave it there. Sure. Don't kill about it. So an Exodus chapter 21 says thou shalt not kill. Right. Yeah. But you hold on.

[00:15:58] I have to stop you right there because this is one of the things that pisses me off the most about Exodus. Okay. So Moses gets done getting these 10 commandments from God twice, twice.

[00:16:10] We had to listen to the bullshit twice. The first time he comes down and what does he do? He drops the fucking the thing. But why does he drop it? I forget exactly where they dropped it because he saw that they were all living in sin doing.

[00:16:24] They're like they had the golden calf and shit. That was a second time down because yeah, that was a second time down. I don't then I don't remember. I thought he dropped it and then had to go back up. I think they were also doing sinful things the first time.

[00:16:37] But I think the golden calf was the second time. Because that's when that's one of the thing that pisses me off happened. I think so he gets done coming down the mountain with the 10 commandments. And he sees the golden calf and all this shit going on.

[00:16:52] And he immediately makes everybody pick sides and then kills 3000 Israelites for not doing what he wanted them to do. I'm like you have like the tablets in man. It's right there.

[00:17:07] The ink is still not even dry. You went and murdered your people. Yeah. Because they because they made a goddamn going to have. Right. I mean, okay. Look. Is it never okay? I don't know.

[00:17:21] I don't know. But that was such a bullshit thing. That was a good news. They literally from one one thing to the next like, okay, don't kill now we're going to kill. I'm like what?

[00:17:32] So my head was spinning. It is okay to kill if we have a different religion. What? I don't know. I didn't get that. Well in Exodus chapter 23 it says the innocent and righteous lay thou not.

[00:17:47] Okay. Yeah. And then, but guess what? What? Your arms are wrong. Yeah. I mean, I obviously said a little bit about how is wrong. So yeah. In Genesis chapter 7, I will call it to rain upon the earth 40 days and 40 nights in every living substance that I've made.

[00:18:07] I will I destroy from the face of the earth. Yeah, I would call that I would call that kid killing all flesh died that moved upon the earth. Yeah. Yeah. So apparently it is okay. I mean, aside from was on that arc that apparently was magical because there's no way so.

[00:18:21] And then in Exodus says at midnight, the Lord smoked all the first born in the land of Egypt. Yeah, more more death and killing. That's God. So I don't know if he get.

[00:18:31] Get the past because he's God. Yeah, I don't know if he has to live by the same rule. Sure. Right. I'm sure he doesn't because he's God. Right. Right. But then in Exodus chapter 22, it says thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. So now God saying you kill which is right.

[00:18:49] Yeah, I'm not going to tell you how to tell if somebody's a witch. Yeah. I'll let you guys just figure it out yourselves and you're probably mingle it but that's okay. Right. Right. I feel like the witch trials were like they found this bit in there that said that they're allowed to kill certain people. Yeah. They're like yeah. Yeah. That person. I don't like their definitely a witch. Sure. Yeah. Let's go. That is exactly what happened. Yeah. That shall not suffer a witch to live. Right. Yep. So in chapter 31 of Exodus, it says you shall keep the Sabbath.

[00:19:18] The Sabbath everyone that defile it shall surely be put to death. Don't be working on the Sabbath. Yeah, I'm dying. Right. Right. Right. And then in chapter 32, it says thus say if the Lord God of Israel put every man has sword by his side and slay every man his brother and every man his companion and every man his neighbor.

[00:19:40] I don't know what that was about. Right. That's my shit. Yeah. Yeah. So just depends on what religion you are and if you're a witch or not, maybe what you had for lunch. Yeah. What God's mood is that day. If he's being pissy and drowning the planet. Yeah. Whatever. So chapter nine or chapter nine question nine. Yeah. How long was the Egyptian captivity?

[00:20:06] You want multiple choice? Yes, please. Okay. 400 years. Four generations or 430 years. We'll go with 400 years. Okay. Well in Genesis chapter 15 verse 13 it says and he said on the Abram no of a surety that I see shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs and she'll serve them and they shall uplift them 400 years. Okay. But guess what? I'm wrong. You're always wrong.

[00:20:36] Go figure because then before that or no, I'm sorry a couple verses later in Genesis chapter 15 verse 16 it says but in the fourth generation they shall come hither again. I see. Okay. And then which I mean that could still be 400 years. So we'll give that one a pass. But you're still always wrong because in Exodus. Now we've left Genesis in Exodus chapter 12. It says now the sojourning of the church.

[00:21:06] Children of Israel who dwelt in Egypt was 430 years. Now look, look I get that I'm wrong here. But like first of all the generation thing could be interpreted different ways. Secondly, 430 years versus 400 years. You've got almost a rounding error. Yeah.

[00:21:24] I'm going to give this one kind of a pass. Sure. I agree. I agree. I included it because there were several different answers but all of the answers kind of lend to each other. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yes, it's a contradiction I guess. But it's definitely not one that I'm like going to like get a tool out of the I'm not going to get into an argument. Yeah, no over with Christian. Yeah. Yeah. There's so many other things to argue about. That one doesn't hold enough. Right.

[00:21:53] Strength on its own. And I feel like someone would be like, what? Yeah, it gives a shit. Yeah. You know, all right. Now number 10 is it okay to make images.

[00:22:04] Image like any image or just images in general. I'm going to go with no probably no right probably no. So in Exodus chapter 20 it says they'll shout not make unto the an engraving image.

[00:22:21] Craven any likeness of anything that isn't having above or that is in the earth beneath. Now what? Oh, wow. And the earth having above or the earth beneath. I wonder if that applies to like you know technically I think humans are supposed to ascend to heaven, right. If you're good. So that means you couldn't have likenesses of humans. Right.

[00:22:41] And also below would be you know animals and all kinds of shit. So you can't really have images of anything if that's the case. Right. I don't know. It's just questionable. Yeah. Yeah, but guess what? What? You're always wrong. Okay. The answer is also yes. It is okay to make images. Okay. All right. Because in Exodus chapter 26 so just six chapters later. Yeah.

[00:23:06] It says and the Lord spake on the Moses saying thou shalt make two charibams of gold. And the chairbams shall stretch forth their wings on high covering the mercy seat with their wings and their faces shall look to one another.

[00:23:19] Hmm. So that's one example. Right. Right. Make images all the time. The chairbam are definitely going to be in heaven. So at least I would think maybe they're in purgatory. I don't know.

[00:23:29] I mean, we make images of Jesus all the time. Yeah. Well, we've bastardized a lot of things about religion in this day and age. That is true. We're not really there yet. No, no. Yeah. But still. All right. Number 11 did Moses see God face to face?

[00:23:46] Yeah, I think he did on the mountain. We've already actually read that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yes. And the Lord spake on to Moses face to face as a man speak of under his friend. That's Exodus chapter 33 verse 11. Okay. Okay. But a few verses later in verse 20. It says thou can't see my face for there shall be no man see me and live. And the Lord said behold.

[00:24:15] There is a place by me and thou shalt stand upon a rock and it shall come to pass. While my glory passes by that I will put thee in a cliff of the rock and I will cover thee with my hand while I pass and I will take away my hand. And thou shalt see my back parts but my face shall not be seen.

[00:24:34] I heard somebody told me this is where the word glory hole comes from. Probably. I mean, it makes sense to me. Right. Right. Show me. Yeah. Showing you my glory. Right. Right. I don't think it's where it came from.

[00:24:44] No, but it's funny. Yeah. All right. So number 12. So we're closing up on finishing. Okay. Yeah. I've got 13 13 questions. Got it. Okay. Yep. So number 12. Who wrote the second set of 10 commandments?

[00:25:02] Who wrote it? I think Moses wrote it. Was it why thought he was like, you know, taking notes. So well, sure, sure. In Exodus chapter 34 it says and the Lord said unto Moses right thou these words. Right.

[00:25:18] Right. Wrote upon the tablets, the words of the covenant, the 10 commandments. Sure. Sure. But guess what? I'm wrong. You're always wrong. Of course I because before that in verse one it says and the Lord said unto Moses,

[00:25:32] he the two tables of stone like under the first and I will write upon these tablets. The words that were in the first tablets which thou breakest.

[00:25:41] I often wondered. Right, but I often wondered why like he spent you know, he spent like 40 days up on top of the mountain. That was up there quite a bit. Right. And I'm wondering like God has all this power. He could literally just materialize these fucking things with laser in no time. Yeah. What the fuck were they doing up there for 40 days? Well, it was Moses carving. Right. All that why hours and hours and hours. What's the fucking point? Just to show his dedication and is is whatever.

[00:26:10] So he could come down and be like look what God told me. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I feel like he was up there doing drugs. He was doing so that's my theory anyway. He was doing something. Yeah. All right. Last question number 13. How should Sabbath breakers be punished?

[00:26:25] I mean, according to the Bible death. Right. Right. They should totally be killed. Right. Exodus chapter 31 verse 14. You shall keep the Sabbath. Therefore for it is holy unto you for whosoever

[00:26:38] do with any work therein that soul shall be cut off from among his fucking people. Wait, no, that was exile. Oops. Sorry. That was the exile was the other answer. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you're always wrong. Got it. Okay. That was exile. You'll be cut off from your people. Got it. Got it. Yeah. That was chapter 31 verse 14. But that shall be killed. It says in three separate places in Exodus. Okay.

[00:27:05] You should keep the Sabbath. Therefore for it is holy unto you everyone that defile of it shall surely be put to death. Wow. Okay. Whosoever do with any work in the Sabbath day he shall my thumb school. Sorry. He shall surely be put to death again. Okay. Yeah. And then six days shall work be done. But on the seventh day there shall be unto you a holy day, a Sabbath day of rest to the Lord whosoever do it work therein. Guess what?

[00:27:33] Go put to death. Shall be put to fucking death. Wow. Yeah, they shall be killed except for sometimes not when they should be exiled instead. Got it. Yeah. And I'm not going to tell you the difference between the two but it doesn't matter because whatever you answer you're always wrong. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. So that is it. Got it. So that was Exodus contradictions. And this is since we're listening on the Exodus podcast. This is going to wrap up this podcast.

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