Bible Study BY Atheists Weekly: Jeremiah Chapters 41 - 45 plus Q&A and Sacrilegious Book Club

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[00:01:50] Husband, wife. Do you remember what happened on Friday and where the hell we are

[00:01:56] today? Well on Friday we got done reading Jeremiah chapter 40. Correct. And in

[00:02:02] that episode Jeremiah was well no I'm sorry let me rephrase that. Yeah. No

[00:02:10] Jeremiah was given the choice to stay in Israel. Slash Judah. Slash Jerusalem. Right

[00:02:19] or go to the Babylon. Yeah right where he would be treated well and looked

[00:02:24] after. Correct correct yeah and he chose to stay in Jerusalem or whatever true

[00:02:30] Jerusalem adjacent anyway. Right and this is after that area has been completely

[00:02:35] destroyed by Babylon. Right right right and and then he was there was the new

[00:02:42] leader of Israel or whatever his name was it was it. Get a lie. Yeah he's the

[00:02:49] governor. Right he's the new governor appointed by Nebuchadnezzar.

[00:02:55] Somebody. Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar. Right yeah yeah. What I should

[00:03:03] off to a strong start tonight. Look I'm sorry that all day today I've been

[00:03:07] struggling to remember dude's name. Right. Nebuchadnezzar. Yeah. So anyway

[00:03:12] he was maybe doing some good stuff because people were coming back in from the

[00:03:16] country and what have you and get a lie it was. Get a lie yeah yeah and but then

[00:03:20] he heard that somebody wants to kill him. Some guy named Ishmael maybe. Ishmael

[00:03:25] yeah coming after him and he was like yeah it made my mind. Yeah you probably should

[00:03:29] pay attention to that dude. Yeah and then that was kind of where it left off. Yeah

[00:03:33] so if you listen to our Q&A Saturday. You might already know a thing. You might

[00:03:38] already know a thing which is that them two guys were buddies that had served

[00:03:44] together for a while. Right. Which is why get a lie it was like get the

[00:03:49] vulgarity here he's not trying to kill me. Right right. So silly yeah so anyway

[00:03:54] that was Jeremiah chapter 40. Sure as fuck was. Which means that today we're

[00:03:58] getting into Jeremiah chapter 41. All right let's do this. Okie dokie.

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[00:06:00] All right so we are getting into Jeremiah chapter 41 okay which is a continuation of the previous

[00:06:08] chapter um regarding Ishmael's conspiracy against Getalaya okay yeah we're in the middle of

[00:06:16] this whole narrative thing speaking of which this chapter in particular is part of a narrative

[00:06:23] section that runs from chapters 37 through 44 okay yeah so here we go now it came to pass in the

[00:06:35] seventh month that Ishmael call me Ishmael the son of Nathaniah the son of Elishima

[00:06:44] of the royal family and of the officers of the king so see he's part of that royal line

[00:06:51] right right came with 10 men to get a liar the son of a heikam at mitzba okay so he's like

[00:06:58] doesn't sound good for Getalaya mm-hmm he's like me and my buddies here and where he's like yeah

[00:07:05] yeah and there they ate bread together at mitzba okay well that's not that's not so bad so far

[00:07:12] yeah thanks that don't have dinner yeah then Ishmael the son of Nathaniah and the 10 men who are with

[00:07:19] him arose and struck Getalaya the son of a heikam the son of chef on with the sword there it is

[00:07:25] and killed him whom the king of Babylon had made governor over the land boom dead I guess at least

[00:07:32] they gave him a last meal maybe oh I don't think of that that's just rude yeah no yeah no don't

[00:07:38] don't go over to somebody's house neat dinner with them and then kill them just not not a nice

[00:07:42] thing to do ishmael also struck down all the Jews who were with him oh that is with Getalaya at

[00:07:49] mitzba and the chaldeans who were found there the men of war he's like you're dead you're dead

[00:07:56] your dad ishmael is like everybody's dad I don't feel like this is a good move this is probably

[00:08:01] conquered by the chaldeans and yeah Babylon and everything and you're killing them already he's

[00:08:06] like watch this what is the idiot right and it happened on the second day after he had killed

[00:08:12] Getalaya when as get no one knew it that certain men came from Shesham from Shiloh and from

[00:08:19] Samaria 80 men with their own beard shaved and their clothes torn having cut themselves with

[00:08:26] offerings and incense in their hand to bring them to the house of the Lord okay so let's let's go

[00:08:32] read some notes here real quick okay let's catch ourselves up okay so ishmael murdered Getalaya

[00:08:38] along with all the Judean officials and Babylonian advisors supervisors at Getalaya's headquarters

[00:08:45] in mitzba during a meal time when the covenant community is celebrated and the people were less

[00:08:51] guarded okay they were like wasn't that great oh by the way you're dead right and apparently

[00:08:57] somebody knew for days right right which is interesting and so that makes the treachery of his act

[00:09:03] like all the worst because they broke bread together right and he he took the cowards way like he

[00:09:08] he killed them while they were down not in the heat of battle sure like you didn't even like fight

[00:09:13] with them or yell at them or say you know pick up your weapon he was just like and by the way I hate

[00:09:18] you buy right right yeah so the day getalaya was murdered was remembered as a fast day by the post

[00:09:24] captivity Jews because on that day the hope of a of living a separate life in the promised land

[00:09:31] completely vanished got it like in that one dumb move yeah it was off yeah they were completely done

[00:09:38] right and the murder was likely avenged by a third deportation of Jews you know based solely on

[00:09:46] this guy's actions right yeah yeah so ishmael was of the royal family and one of the officers of

[00:09:53] the king a descendant of David and he was probably jealous that getalaya was appointed governor so

[00:09:59] that's why he was like I'll show you sure making him more willing to do the work of the king of

[00:10:05] amonites so he's here at the behest of the amonites ishmael is yeah okay yeah ishmael and his men had so

[00:10:16] effectively killed all the men at the misspa settlement settlement then it took some time for the

[00:10:21] news of the murder to be known oh wow so yeah it was not just like the next day but it was like

[00:10:27] a few days right right because they just killed them all like one two three go you're all dead yeah

[00:10:33] there was nobody even left to like tell the tale this was a planned assassination slash yes whatever

[00:10:39] yes okay um there were warshipers of Yahweh in the lands that were formerly part of the kingdom

[00:10:45] of Israel conquered by the assyrians more than a hundred years before this and perhaps they were

[00:10:52] influenced by king joseyas reforms or perhaps they came from the southern kingdom of juda okay

[00:10:58] these pilgrims the ones who were coming remember yeah like I just said that these guys came with

[00:11:06] their beards shaped and stuff um they may have been descendants of judayans who had moved north

[00:11:12] after samaria fell in 722 bc okay shaving their beards was a sign of deep mourning okay so they were

[00:11:22] mourning the loss of judayah and um coming to like bring their prizes and and commissary but also

[00:11:34] you know they had heard that they would be invited back yeah so it was like you know bitter sweet

[00:11:40] you know what I mean they were coming to rejoin but also to mourn right okay so they had that's

[00:11:46] why they have shaved their beards okay this large group of men came from the north to bring

[00:11:50] offerings and sacrifices to the temple since the Babylonians destroyed the temple as we read back in

[00:11:58] second kings yeah they came in mourning to bring grain offerings and incense to the ruins of the

[00:12:03] temple their offerings were bloodless sacrifices because no facilities were available for animal

[00:12:09] sacrifices got it and since the water oh I'm not there yet nothing okay all right so we continue yeah

[00:12:17] mm-hmm now ishmael the son of nethernaya went out from his pot to meet them so he was not expecting

[00:12:24] these guys to come right okay this is a surprise he was weeping as he went along always putting on

[00:12:31] a show now he's putting on a show yeah and it happened as he met them that he said to them come to

[00:12:36] get a liar the son of the he come so it was when they came into the midst of the city that ishmael

[00:12:42] met the son of nethernaya killed or I'm sorry that ishmael the son of nethernaya killed them and cast

[00:12:49] them into the midst of a pit holy shit and he and his men he and all the men who were with him

[00:12:56] he's just he's killing Israel it's all over the place here yeah damn yeah so he's just like

[00:13:02] what does it feel like he doesn't even fucking care apparently well okay so the first group he killed

[00:13:08] was at the behest of this ammonite king sure he was more than happy to do it because he's like I

[00:13:13] should have been the governor fuck this guy right right you know I don't give a shit find whatever yeah

[00:13:18] and you Babylonians you're gone too because fuck you for invading us right right so that was the

[00:13:26] first bout of murders the second bout he was caught on a wares he was not expecting this second group

[00:13:32] of people to come and he had to kill them or else you know they were going to give away the game

[00:13:37] got it you know okay so he had to kill him and he threw him into a sister okay now since the water

[00:13:43] supply was so precious in Palestine the fouling of a sister and was a particularly irresponsible act

[00:13:50] of vandalism got it so it's like dude why do you have to do that too yeah cool but 10 men were found

[00:13:57] among them who said to ishmael do not kill us but we have treasures of wheat barley oil and honey

[00:14:04] out in the field so he desisted and did not kill them among their brethren now the pit into which

[00:14:11] ishmael had cast all the dead bodies of the men who me it's lame because of get a liar was the same

[00:14:17] one a so the king had made for fear of Bayasha king of Israel okay ishmael the son of nethanaya filled

[00:14:26] it with the slain then ishmael carried away captive all the rest of the people who were in mispa

[00:14:33] the king's daughters and all the people who remained in mispa whom nebby zera dan the captain

[00:14:40] of the guard had committed to get a liar the son of a hikam okay all right like I I feel like

[00:14:46] I should stop saying so and so the son of so and so because that like confuses us like it adds extra

[00:14:51] names that we really don't fucking need no it doesn't it does make it a lot more confusing to me

[00:14:56] I'm sure that this is how they were used to conversing back then maybe but but for us it's like no

[00:15:03] I just need get a liar as far right it's very extra and we don't we don't need that yeah yeah so okay

[00:15:10] just to recap ishmael killed get a liar and the Babylonians at that table right then he killed these

[00:15:21] guys that were coming from afar bringing gifts yeah and through them in a sister except for 10

[00:15:27] and so then ishmael carried those 10 and all the other people that remained in town he took them as

[00:15:35] prisoners and ran away with them okay some of them being the king's daughters okay yeah so

[00:15:41] that's what's happening okay make sense and ishmael carried away carried them away captive and departed

[00:15:49] to go over to the amonites okay so he's affecting back to the back to the amonites but when johanan

[00:15:58] the son of korea and all the captains of the forces that were with him heard of all the evil

[00:16:03] that ishmael had done they took all the men and went to fight with ishmael and they found him by the

[00:16:10] great pool that is in gibbian so it was when all the people who were with ishmael saw johanan

[00:16:18] and all the captains of the forces who were with him that they were glad they were like oh thank goodness

[00:16:23] somebody's here to save us from this creep-tastic murderer right you know yeah then all the people

[00:16:30] whom ishmael had carried away captive from his butt turned around and came back and went to johanan

[00:16:35] the son of korea but ishmael escaped from johanan with eight men and went to the amonites

[00:16:42] yeah fuck him anyway right okay right yeah okay bye go to the amonites we don't care see ya then johanan

[00:16:49] and all the captains of the forces that were with him took from ispa all the rest of the people

[00:16:54] whom he had recovered from ishmael after he had murdered get a liea the mighty men of war and the

[00:17:01] women and the children and the unix whom he had brought back from gibbian and they departed and dwelt

[00:17:08] in the habitation of chinham which is near Bethlehem okay one on their way to Egypt

[00:17:15] okay so johanan is like obviously we can't go back to you know where we were staying

[00:17:22] where we were because ishmael nicks that deal for us the Babylonians are gonna have our hides

[00:17:28] so we got to go to Egypt that's our only hope yeah so he's taken the people with him back to Egypt

[00:17:36] okay which to me is just a turn of irony right yeah because of the chaldeans okay as they went

[00:17:43] on their way to Egypt because of the chaldeans for they were afraid of them because ishmael had murdered

[00:17:49] get a liea whom the king of Babylon had made governor in the land right okay yeah so that's the end

[00:17:56] of that chapter now ishmael's motive in transporting the remnant may have been threefold ishmael the

[00:18:03] murderer yeah okay one he may have wanted to escape punishment so he took all the people with him right

[00:18:09] to he may have wanted to find refuge with bailis who had instigated the assassination of gettalaya

[00:18:16] bailis was the king of the amonites got it which i mean yeah that's where he was going right

[00:18:21] obviously he wanted to find refuge with him yeah and three he probably wanted to sell the remnant

[00:18:26] as slaves to the amonites oh okay so this guy wasn't really an israelite at all I mean he was

[00:18:34] by blood but he was by blood but not in his heart he's like fuck this shit I'm just gonna get what

[00:18:39] I can get yeah you know worse than Jeremiah honestly like it Jeremiah was a double spy or whatever

[00:18:47] yeah like a double agent but he didn't at least according to these stories right as recorded

[00:18:54] he didn't like lift sword and hack people to pieces we didn't hear Jeremiah mentioned once in

[00:19:00] this chapter or the word of god or anything right that's just the counting of like they killed him

[00:19:07] yeah yeah we're in story land that's why when when you're in story land sometimes the main character

[00:19:12] doesn't show up guys yeah so I mean it was we already kind of knew this was coming and not all of it

[00:19:19] no not all of it not all of it but I don't know I feel like

[00:19:24] this just makes this story weirder it doesn't make it like better it just makes it weirder like he

[00:19:31] didn't really he just murdered it was some other king and some of the land that one of this israel

[00:19:36] like guy to murder him and he's like you got good reason to do it so do it and then he killed him

[00:19:41] and then that was that but that was the smaller picture the bigger picture is and that was

[00:19:47] the very end right right any any potential chance for Judea to reestablish their at that point yeah

[00:19:57] which which makes sense though like we already know we already know that you know there was a

[00:20:02] Babylonian exile right yeah so we knew that this this whole thing was kind of weird to begin with

[00:20:07] like what they're still living in they were reestablishing themselves right yeah yeah that's

[00:20:12] that was odd so I mean this actually makes more sense now yeah I mean to some degree I I

[00:20:19] appreciate it because it lets us know that like everything didn't just happen overnight like it

[00:20:24] wasn't just like and Babylon came in and took charge and killed all the kings and that was at

[00:20:29] the end right right there was a lot of like and this happened over here and those people were

[00:20:33] still fighting over there and then you had some some of the Jewish people were like fighting their own

[00:20:41] interests yeah you know like they weren't all on the same team right that to me bears

[00:20:50] repeating in my mind because to me I hear these stories and I'm like the Jews did this and the Jews

[00:20:57] thought that and it's very easy to think of them as a monolith I can't just yeah yeah I got to say

[00:21:04] if so Jeremiah decided to stay with us remnant and and and Judah right and he's a prophet who can

[00:21:12] see the future no he's a prophet who God tells him things that God wants him to know right I'm having

[00:21:20] trouble understanding what his purpose was to stay here I have no idea because there's literally

[00:21:25] nobody that's going to matter from this group right doing anything right they're either dead

[00:21:30] heading to Egypt or heading to the Ammonites right and so so what like what was your purpose here

[00:21:37] what would it what did God want you to do here I don't know it doesn't make any sense I think we've got

[00:21:42] how many chapters do we have in Jeremiah I don't know oh I thought maybe we were coming up on

[00:21:49] the end but no we've still got several more chapters yeah so okay yeah I couldn't tell you

[00:21:56] okay well maybe it'll become clear I kind of doubt it honestly sometimes there's just these random

[00:22:02] things that happen in the Bible and it's like yep that happened well maybe he's going with Johanon

[00:22:09] and the surviving remnant to Egypt maybe maybe but he would he literally didn't come up in this

[00:22:16] story at all so I'm just that was kind of odd and I feel like we're gonna just like kind of

[00:22:21] buzz over this right and it'll just be a thing well let's be on the lookout for that tomorrow

[00:22:28] and if it doesn't come up we'll be like the fuck happened to Jeremiah sure sure all right well

[00:22:33] that was Jeremiah chapter 41 sure it's fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with

[00:22:40] Jeremiah chapter 42 our favorite one 42 yeah yeah all right we'll see you then bye

[00:22:52] husband why do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today

[00:22:57] well we just had done reading Jeremiah chapter 41 sure it's fucked it

[00:23:01] and in that chapter Jeremiah was conspicuously missing he was absent he was yeah but

[00:23:08] Gettelaya did end up getting murdered by assassinated by a it's male yeah yeah and

[00:23:16] ish male then proceeded to run back to the amonites and well I mean he went on a murder spree first

[00:23:22] yes yes sorry and he tried to he no one actually knew for a few days and then he went on a murder

[00:23:27] spree then he ran back to the amonites and I think the guy that originally warned the

[00:23:31] Gettelaya he was trying yeah yeah he was trying to pursue them but didn't catch them in time and

[00:23:37] they ended up making it back and then that was the end of you know the wonderful Israelite

[00:23:44] what could have been should have been yeah right right so they all the remnants kind of took

[00:23:49] off towards Egypt they're like fuck this we're out yeah because you know shit shit's gonna go bad

[00:23:55] yep yep so that was pretty much what happened in Jeremiah chapter 41 oh one more thing

[00:24:01] the whole aspect of Jeremiah not being like why did he stay he's a prophet why did he stay with them

[00:24:08] if shit was just gonna go south like what purpose did that serve where is this like per where

[00:24:15] is this pushing the the storyline forward other than yep they almost made it again but then they

[00:24:20] didn't again right okay well this chapter has some interesting things in it I think

[00:24:25] okay all right so so anyway that was Jeremiah chapter 41 hold your questions to the end yeah okay

[00:24:31] yes which means that today we're getting into Jeremiah chapter 42 oh right let's do this

[00:24:37] okay okay all right we are jumping into Jeremiah chapter 42 okay and as usual with Jeremiah I have

[00:24:55] a bit of a note before we hop into the chapter okay this chapter is part of a larger narrative

[00:25:02] that consists of chapters 37 through 44 got it okay so we're almost coming up to the end of this story

[00:25:10] got it okay yep so here we go Jeremiah chapter 42 now all the captains are the forces

[00:25:18] Johanon the son of Kareya Jazzaniya the son of Hoshaya and all the people from the least to the greatest

[00:25:26] came near and said to Jeremiah the prophet so he was part of the remnant okay okay right yeah like

[00:25:34] oh by the by Jeremiah was there too right like even though we didn't mention him yeah he was there

[00:25:39] right okay so they said to him please let our petition be acceptable to you and pray for us to the

[00:25:45] Lord your God for all this remnant since we are left but a few of many as you can see if you

[00:25:53] believed in God wouldn't you say our God yes your God that is a note I was going to

[00:26:00] put out there that note how they phrased it yeah yeah pray to your God for us won't you well I mean

[00:26:06] if he's the only one if he's claiming that he's the only one that can talk to this God I would imagine

[00:26:11] that back then they're like well it's your God you're the one that's commune you're the one telling

[00:26:15] this he exists in this fashion right and you're the one saying that he is this way and obviously you've

[00:26:20] been right about a lot of things lately so it's your God we're gonna you know it you would think

[00:26:24] that but let's continue reading okay and I think that we'll find that no it actually was just Jeremiah's

[00:26:31] God oh okay yeah so anyway they're like would you mind praying to your God for us that the Lord your

[00:26:38] God may show us the way in which we should walk and the thing we should do okay okay so they're like

[00:26:44] hey what do you think your God thinks about this ask him what we should do now right this still

[00:26:49] also holds true with my theory about him being a double agent oh yeah because like if they're

[00:26:54] praying to his God what they really mean in code is um what are the Babylonians want us to do now

[00:27:00] right yeah exactly then Jeremiah said to them I have heard indeed I will pray to the Lord

[00:27:09] your God according to your words and it shall be that whatever the Lord answers you I will declare

[00:27:17] it to you I will keep nothing back from you so he's like it's your God to ask all right all right

[00:27:25] and they're like is it the right so they said to Jeremiah let the Lord be a true and faithful witness

[00:27:31] between us if we do not do according to everything which the Lord your God sends us by you

[00:27:38] but they're like no no no still your God yeah but but we promise to obey your God right Lord oh

[00:27:45] whether it is pleasing or displeasing we will obey the voice of the Lord our God against to whom

[00:27:52] we send you that it may be well with us when we obey the voice of the Lord our God hmm so they're

[00:27:59] like they're taking some ownership here sure sure sure they are and it happened after 10 days

[00:28:06] that the word so he took 10 days to pray hmm okay yeah that the Lord the word of the Lord came to

[00:28:12] Jeremiah okay so he went away to pray and then 10 days later came back because it took that long

[00:28:18] for God like God wasn't just that Jeremiah's back in call sounds to me like God really threw

[00:28:22] Jeremiah for a loop here he's like I thought we were just gonna stay in Israel and like everything

[00:28:27] was gonna be cool and then shit went south and now I don't know what to do so I can even think

[00:28:31] on this I need to think on this is my opinion and maybe it took him 10 days to get in touch with his

[00:28:38] people they're running he's got to figure out what I'm so the zoo now guys right so anyway but

[00:28:45] so he's like yeah I'm done praying so then he called Johan and the son of Kareya all the

[00:28:51] captains are the forces which were with him and all the people from the least even to the greatest

[00:28:56] and he said to them thus says the Lord the God of Israel to whom you sent me to present your

[00:29:03] petition before him if you will still remain in this land then I will build you and not pull you

[00:29:11] down and I will plant you and not pluck you up for I relent concerning the disasters that I have

[00:29:18] brought upon you wait wait wait wait and in some translations it says I repent in the Septuagint as a

[00:29:25] matter of fact and some of the other earliest translation it says for I repent God returning the

[00:29:33] disaster that I have brought upon you and okay but they're gonna stay in Israel still I don't know

[00:29:40] let's see what they decide to do I'm a little confused now because I thought that was like we

[00:29:44] talked about at the last time that that was the true end of the occupation in Israel so let's hear

[00:29:50] what okay Jeremiah is not done talking yeah the God is speaking all right do not be afraid of the

[00:29:56] king of Babylon of whom you are afraid do not be afraid of him says the Lord for I am with you to

[00:30:03] save you and deliver you from his hand and I will show you mercy that he may have mercy on you

[00:30:10] and cause you to return to your own land okay but if you say we will not dwell in this land

[00:30:18] disobeying the voice of the Lord your God saying no but we'll go to the land of Egypt where we shall see

[00:30:25] no war nor hear the sound of the trumpet nor be hungry for bread and there we will dwell

[00:30:32] then here now the word of the Lord O'remment of Judah thus says the Lord of hosts the God of Israel

[00:30:41] if you holy set your faces to enter Egypt and go to dwell there then it shall be that the sword

[00:30:48] which you feared shall overtake you there in the land of Egypt the famine of which you were afraid

[00:30:55] shall follow close after you there in Egypt and there you shall die so shall it be with all the men

[00:31:02] who set their faces to go to Egypt to dwell there they shall die by the sword by famine and by

[00:31:08] pestilence so I'm guessing I'm guessing that they're gonna choose Egypt even though Jeremiah is

[00:31:12] telling them don't right because even though they said they would do whatever I think that they

[00:31:18] probably assumed like a lot of the apologists that were talking about this their notes all were like

[00:31:24] they were asking and lying and they were you know hypocrites and blah blah blah and I'm like no

[00:31:31] you know what I think that they saw two situations Egypt looks great um Judah just got torn a sunder

[00:31:39] I think they were like yeah totally will do whatever God tells us because obviously he's gonna

[00:31:44] tell us to go to Egypt duh right yeah I think that they were looking for like you know prayer and

[00:31:50] things like that that they would do to appease this God to make them happy right like going back

[00:31:56] into the fucking fray yeah yeah I don't think that they were hypocrites or liars I don't think that

[00:32:03] went into this intent like they went into this with their heart already set I don't think that

[00:32:09] that is necessary I think that they went in with the understanding that the course of action that

[00:32:16] makes the best sense is obviously what God is gonna choose they had no idea that Egypt was probably

[00:32:23] on its way to get torn down as well I'm gonna throw one more thing out here too because Jeremiah had

[00:32:28] told them that if they gave themselves over to the Babylonians initially right that they would be

[00:32:34] good and everything would be fine right but then some this is real light from some other land

[00:32:39] besides he wants vengeance on you know get a liar and so he fucks everything up right so it wasn't

[00:32:46] even like he was he was in cahoots this other guy um ismail wasn't cahoots with the amonites he wasn't

[00:32:52] even part of this group he was just trying to take advantage of the situation yeah and whatever right

[00:32:58] yeah but these Israelites that decided to stay they were like um okay yeah we're gonna make a go

[00:33:03] of it right yeah yeah they were good with that and so they they were listening to Jeremiah right they

[00:33:08] turned themselves over to Babylon and they were like okay we're gonna make a go of this and it didn't

[00:33:13] work out right his Jeremiah's prophecy did not work out right and then they're like running away

[00:33:20] from the situation because it's bad right things things are going south like dudes we just got murdered

[00:33:26] I'm not going back to murder land we didn't even catch the guy that murdered us all like he's still

[00:33:31] over there like what makes you think if we go back things are gonna be better because you told

[00:33:35] us things were gonna be better the first time yeah so like no we're going to Egypt but like how can

[00:33:39] we make your God happy with that in mind or you know hey we're going to Egypt right God and then

[00:33:46] God's like no and they're like wait what what's his hang up on Egypt anyway it's not like there

[00:33:51] any worse than Babylon is it because that's not their land and because that's where God delivered

[00:33:56] them from it's a slapping God's little pride dick you know I guess that could be the case yeah

[00:34:02] his little hurt feelings right you know cuz he's got a little pp right I'm just I'm just I want to

[00:34:08] point out though that Jeremiah was basically not right kind of yeah in my opinion in my opinion

[00:34:14] and I know I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about and there's lots of scholars that have

[00:34:18] better apologies than I do so yeah whatever I'm I'm just saying they were looking on this

[00:34:24] ruminant with frowny faces I'm looking on them with my guys they've been through war this is

[00:34:31] this is the people that were actually just um they were the poorest of the poor yeah we're running

[00:34:38] the land you know right and they're just trying to live yeah I don't think that they were evil or

[00:34:43] not evil I think they were just trying to survive right and making the best choices that were given

[00:34:48] to them at the time and now you're telling me that God's gonna take this the poorest of them the worst

[00:34:52] of them the most beat down of them and fuck them over again right exactly nice guy so God says

[00:34:59] and none of them shall remain or escape from the disaster that I will bring upon them for thus says

[00:35:05] the Lord of hosts the God of Israel as my anger and my fury have been poured out on the inhabitants

[00:35:11] of Jerusalem so will my fury be poured out on you when you enter Egypt you shall be an oath

[00:35:18] an astonishment occurs and a reproach it sounds like to me though that what really needed to happen

[00:35:24] was Babylon needed some slaves to run the land of Israel and and Jeremiah was like I'm tied hold

[00:35:31] him I get him some slaves yeah and so he's trying to scare him into that but they're like now we're

[00:35:35] still going to Egypt yeah like we don't want to be slaves right we're gonna be slaves we're gonna go

[00:35:39] be slaves for each we're gonna choose yeah we're gonna make the choice to go over here like from what

[00:35:43] I heard it wasn't really that bad over an Egypt and yeah we were slaves but you know we we had

[00:35:50] not too bad yeah it wasn't too shabby over there right and you know they aren't like war torn and

[00:35:57] you're not going to go without water and food yeah Babylon's not going to go conquer them right so

[00:36:02] like no thanks right and you shall see this place no more says God I mean I think they probably

[00:36:09] already have an inkling of that though right like yeah no shit you think the Lord has said concerning

[00:36:16] you a Revenant of Judah do not go to Egypt no certainly that I have admonished you this day for

[00:36:24] you were hypocrites in your hearts when you sent me to the Lord your God saying Pee for us to the

[00:36:30] Lord our God and according to all that the Lord your God said so declared to us and we will do it

[00:36:35] and I have this day declared it to you but you have not obeyed the voice of the Lord your God

[00:36:41] or anything which he has sent you by me now I'm sorry you took 10 days to figure this shit out Jeremiah

[00:36:47] yeah where were you that whole time yeah I'm sorry I don't believe you yeah I think you were like

[00:36:53] I might think that you don't exactly know what you're talking about if it took you 10 days to get

[00:36:57] word back from God well it's not here's the thing if you are a Bibley God believer uh-huh then

[00:37:03] it wasn't that it took Jeremiah 10 days it was that it took God 10 days because he had to prove

[00:37:10] that he's not a Jeremiah's back in call so he took his dear sweet God's got like five people left

[00:37:15] at this point so I mean yeah what the fucks he doing well I'm just I'm telling you what they would

[00:37:21] say and you know it depends like are we in canon or aren't we in canon it took God 10 days not

[00:37:29] Jeremiah yeah okay now outside of canon me and you reading this as it is on the page yeah

[00:37:36] he Jeremiah took 10 days right sounds like he took a hike back to the fucking you know front lines

[00:37:41] of the other people to meet his handler yeah so um now therefore no certainly this is Jeremiah speaking

[00:37:49] that you shall die by the sword by famine and by pestilence in a place where you desire to go to

[00:37:55] dwell he and wow I'm not I'm not excited about this I mean I my feeling and and I might be wrong

[00:38:05] about this but my feeling is that we only have uh let's see this is chapter 42 so we only have two more

[00:38:10] chapters left of this story line yeah my feeling is that we're not going to see God take his actual

[00:38:17] vengeance on these people because there's not enough time maybe but there's still more chapters

[00:38:23] of Jeremiah after this narrative end true true so but I'm just I'm I don't know I that that is

[00:38:33] it's still to me sounds like Jeremiah's a fucking spy yeah like it still sounds like he's trying

[00:38:39] to coerce these people into being slaves for Babylon like it there's there's nothing here

[00:38:45] that makes me feel like this is a prophecy of any type it just feels like he is on Babylon's side

[00:38:50] and trying to coerce these people to you know easily join Babylon to become slaves or whatever

[00:38:56] and that would answer our question last time which was why did Jeremiah turn down going back

[00:39:04] to Babylon where he would be treated well rather than what he chose was to stay in this war

[00:39:10] torn land I think he was thinking he was going to be a big fish in a little ponds sure and that

[00:39:16] that would serve him better than going yes he would be well treated but he'd be a small fish

[00:39:22] in a big pond right and I think that he stayed behind because he was like I can get something out

[00:39:30] of this he felt he'd have influence and he'd have you know things he could leadership position yeah

[00:39:35] yeah right like I will be the prophet of Jerusalem right and honestly I feel like he was kind

[00:39:41] of left out of the last chapter chapter 41 because shit went wrong right yeah this is where

[00:39:47] this is where his prophecy didn't hold true or they did the thing that they asked

[00:39:51] that God asked right they they they gave themselves over to the Babylonians

[00:39:56] and yet stuff still went south until they were like let's just not put him in the

[00:40:01] chapter so everybody kind of forgets that that happened yeah so I I am forever going to believe

[00:40:07] that Jeremiah is just a double agent spy type person for that who would all double agent that is

[00:40:11] where I'm at with this whole thing yep not necessarily a bad guy but sure no good yeah and I've

[00:40:17] said this before like you know he there's there's political and military things that happened

[00:40:23] all the time back in ancient times that were dangerous to people and like they could just as

[00:40:29] easily have killed them all right but it's he he if he's working to get his people to give

[00:40:37] themselves up he may be doing so because he thinks that the best thing for them is to not get killed

[00:40:43] right and like he's like if you if you don't do this you're all gonna fucking die right so

[00:40:49] he could be doing this out of mercy for his own people but at the same time he's still doing it

[00:40:55] right and he's trying to pretend like he's not he's trying to pretend like this is God

[00:41:00] and I don't feel like that's the case I feel like that's the way he's writing it so that it has

[00:41:04] some some merit to it to the people that he's talking to but I don't think that's what's actually

[00:41:10] going on what I find interesting too is that all of this is supposed to have been written by Baruch

[00:41:15] yeah and we've not had word one mention of him well in the last several chapters what we read

[00:41:21] what you told us early on was that it was written by either Jeremiah or Baruch so there was but then he

[00:41:27] told Baruch write this shit down that was during a certain section yeah but it's possible that Baruch

[00:41:33] maybe went on to Babylon or something else like I mean no I'm pretty sure he's still there okay all

[00:41:39] right I'm pretty sure like I haven't read a head or anything but from what I understand they were

[00:41:44] like real tight the whole time okay so I just find it interesting that he's supposed to be

[00:41:51] at least editing these words if not writing them himself sure and we're not hearing about him so

[00:41:58] I wonder if he is maybe Jeremiah's foot man you know like yeah I'm gonna hide out in this tent for

[00:42:04] 10 days you go run the fuck over to to Babylon our handler and find out what they want because

[00:42:13] these folks are about to go to Egypt and I need to try to sway them not to right if that's what Babylon

[00:42:18] wants I don't know run yeah no in that that's the way I view most of these religious prophets back then

[00:42:26] as they were political actors mm-hmm and that's the way it comes across even yeah if you read it

[00:42:31] if you read it from that point of view you can definitely take that from this sure and I enjoy that

[00:42:37] idea way more than the idea that there's a god speaking to these fuckers yeah so

[00:42:42] because that makes that actually makes sense right you know so that's that's why I enjoy it I think

[00:42:47] yeah but anyway that was Jeremiah chapter 42 sure it's what was which means that we'll be back tomorrow

[00:42:54] with Jeremiah chapter 43 all right we'll see you then bye

[00:43:04] husband wife do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today well

[00:43:10] yesterday we read Jeremiah chapter 42 and I was very disappointed in our in us yeah

[00:43:17] if we made a big mistake we let's come out huge fucking mistake we left something out it was the

[00:43:23] 42nd book of Jeremiah and we didn't make yeah I'm sorry chapter of Jeremiah we didn't make one single

[00:43:30] solitary reference to the hitchhiker's guy to the galaxy because 42 what the fuck is our problem

[00:43:36] why didn't what is a big number yeah it's the meaning of life universe and everything yeah how do

[00:43:40] you not mention that as you're reading through the Bible when it's the 42nd chapter of a book you

[00:43:45] know what it is what did we forget our towels we're not whoopi fruits oh and we do not sass where

[00:43:51] our towels are at okay that's what happened there yeah right yeah okay well we won't let it happen

[00:43:57] again the next time we get to a chapter 42 of whatever books right it'll it'll definitely we'll cover

[00:44:02] it for sure but do you remember in chapter 42 it was a short chapter it was and as I recall

[00:44:13] Jeremiah was no no the people that were fleeing were asking Jeremiah what they could do

[00:44:20] they were like does your god have some guidance for us and he's like we promise to obey give me

[00:44:25] a minute then he was like gone for 10 days yeah and then he came back and he's like yeah just go

[00:44:30] back and you know go work the land and go over there Babylon and Babylon and they're like go to Egypt

[00:44:36] bitches and then the remnants were like why are the fuck would we do that that that guy that

[00:44:41] like killed everybody over there uh well uh ishmael yeah he's still over there no he's with the

[00:44:46] ammonites yeah but he's still nearby he's nearby yeah yeah like and and then you told us everything

[00:44:51] was gonna be fine last time but it wasn't so like why the fuck should we trust you this time

[00:44:55] we're just gonna go on down to Egypt it looks nice over there and then Jeremiah was like well

[00:44:59] you're all gonna get you know fucked over there so and then that that was that was pretty much yet

[00:45:05] yep so that was Jeremiah chapter 42 sure it's fuck was which means that today we're getting into

[00:45:10] Jeremiah chapter 43 all right let's do this okay okay

[00:45:13] all right we are hopping into Jeremiah chapter 43 okay and as usual with Jeremiah I have a note you

[00:45:31] have an unnote just one yeah okay it's not the misnumbered Septuagint no okay it's the narrative note

[00:45:39] got it yeah this chapter is part of a narrative section consisting of chapters 37 to 44

[00:45:45] so we're almost at the end of this little storyline got it okay yeah what what happened to

[00:45:50] the Septuagint misnumbered things I think we're back where they no longer misnumbered I think we're

[00:45:54] back on regular equal number hmm I don't know sometimes they're out of order and sometimes

[00:46:02] they're not interesting it was just a few that were out of order yeah he's just but you would think

[00:46:07] they would continue to be out of order as all so not necessarily I'm just I'm just throwing it

[00:46:12] out there you know right but I told you at the time that they were just taking certain parts out of order

[00:46:20] got it got it not the whole book okay yeah all right so here we go we are in Jeremiah chapter 43

[00:46:29] now it happened ready what happened yeah I'm ready when Jeremiah had stopped speaking to all the

[00:46:35] people all the words of the Lord their God for which the Lord their God had sent to them all these

[00:46:42] words you know he sent that's to them them their God through Jeremiah through his God yeah I'm just saying

[00:46:49] right it didn't exactly make a direct appeal to them I guess so I guess so it happened after

[00:46:57] Jeremiah gave all those words that as a raya the son of Hoshaya Johanon the son of Kariah and all

[00:47:05] the proud men spoke saying to Jeremiah you speak falsely the Lord our God has not sent you to say do

[00:47:13] not go to Egypt to dwell there but Baruch the son of niraya has set you against us oh to deliver

[00:47:22] us into the hands of the chaldeans oh that they may put us to death or carry us away captive to

[00:47:29] Babylon whoa okay so wait wait let me just let me just stop hold on hold on yeah remember yesterday I

[00:47:37] was like we haven't heard about yeah about Baruch right and then I was like um so it's almost

[00:47:43] like Jeremiah went into his little tent right in central Baruch go go ask our handler and Babylon what the

[00:47:50] fuck I should do they probably saw him fucking coming back and they're like yeah dude he was just

[00:47:54] coming back from the over there by the Babylon yeah yeah what the fuck this guy's obviously

[00:48:00] in cahoots with them right so then you're you're telling us this came from God but no you waited

[00:48:05] for your buddy to come back from the Babylonians so I just want to tell you as God is my witness

[00:48:13] I had not I had not read ahead I did not know that this was coming yeah that makes it all the

[00:48:18] funnier right that I called him out and then and then they're like yeah totally the funny thing to

[00:48:25] me is that they they this is written by Jeremiah or Baruch or whatever boat one of the two both of them

[00:48:30] whatever and they just keep digging themselves in a bigger and bigger hole with regard to this whole

[00:48:35] like spy business this whole you know their Babylonian agents type thing and we're like it looks

[00:48:43] like they might be double agents and then like yeah they're totally double agents yeah yeah yeah

[00:48:50] yeah definitely so Johanon the son of Korea and all the captains of the forces and all the people

[00:48:57] would not obey the voice of the Lord to remain in the land of Judah I what why do they call it the

[00:49:04] voice of the Lord though it's it's the voice of fucking Jeremiah is what they're hearing well

[00:49:09] Jeremiah is claiming he's claiming that it's the voice of the Lord but that's what the whole Bible is

[00:49:13] a lot yeah I know and that's that's why this whole thing is bullshit I know there's no there's no

[00:49:19] there's no point where whatever like you're so annoyed you can't even finish your thought

[00:49:25] look these fuckers wrote this bit this bit about Jeremiah and they sound as they wrote it they sound

[00:49:33] like they work for Babylon they should have literally just left it out also claiming to speak

[00:49:39] for you know Jeremiah is claiming to speak for God he's a prophet of the Lord he speaks for God

[00:49:44] and these things have permeated into you know current cultures like you know like we still talk

[00:49:51] about this and yet I'm listening to this whole thing and I'm like no he's like he's like they accused

[00:49:58] of being double agents can you even believe that and we're like yes bitch I can right I can

[00:50:04] totally believe it yeah and you just keep like digging yourselves deeper and deeper into this whole

[00:50:09] idea that you probably were I'm like guys stop talking right you're making this worse literally

[00:50:15] leave this part out yeah like this part this whole book should never have been included

[00:50:21] it doesn't really matter though because ultimately like I mean I think a lot of this was written

[00:50:25] with the idea that nobody no common person was gonna end up reading this stuff right like

[00:50:31] this wasn't meant to be read by your common person right it was meant to be read by scholars and by

[00:50:37] people who are trusting that this is the the lords were and historians I mean they sure sure

[00:50:44] they were interested in capturing history but I hear it all the time like I this there's this

[00:50:49] person I've been talking to via email recently that this is something they love to tell us is

[00:50:55] that the what is it the scales are pulled over our eyes if you don't come out if you're not

[00:51:00] reading it correctly or something like that it's apparently in the Bible somewhere like if you

[00:51:04] don't come to this correctly you can't ever understand it and you know that's cool I totally

[00:51:11] believe you so how do you take the scales off my eyes because that's not a thing that I

[00:51:17] said was discussed this before right that okay I believe you there's scales on my eyes look

[00:51:24] whatever the way that they're talking about reading it is like you already have to be you already

[00:51:28] have to accept that this is God's word you have to first believe in God before you ever enter into

[00:51:34] this yeah then you have to believe that this is all God's word then you have to believe that this

[00:51:39] should actually happen I'm still on first step one I would think honestly if you're reading the

[00:51:45] Bible and this is God's word this is God's book this is the thing that he wrote for human like

[00:51:50] had people write for him hero whatever I don't fucking care and all this shit happens it's his

[00:51:54] his connection it's his connection to humanity right you would think that it would be a good selling

[00:51:59] point to take bring you to God that's what I was always told whether or not you believe or not

[00:52:04] right like it would convince you right this has done anything but convinced me no this has made me

[00:52:10] this is hard in my heart like the god damn Pharaoh but anyway yeah sorry but Johanon the son of

[00:52:18] Kareya and all the captains of the forces took all the remnant of Judah who had returned to dwell

[00:52:24] in the land of Judah from all nations where they had been driven men women children the king's daughters

[00:52:30] and every person whom never could zero no wait never Zeradhan the captain of the guard had left with

[00:52:37] Giddaya no Giddalaya the son of the a hikam the son of Shafan and Jeremiah the prophet and

[00:52:46] Baruch the son of Nariah so you know all those people that stayed yeah all those remnant folk they

[00:52:51] they sure are a long-winter way of saying stuff like that right like all you had to say was

[00:52:55] the remnant you know who you mean right thanks so they went to the land of Egypt for they did not obey

[00:53:02] the voice of the Lord and they went as far as teponies let's talk about teponies for a minute sure okay yeah

[00:53:09] so teponies was an important fortress city on the northern border of ancient Egypt in the north

[00:53:18] eastern Nile Delta and is generally equated with the Greek city of Daphne okay yep so that's what it

[00:53:27] is so they're in Egypt now okay got it and that's where they checked in to like hey can we enter your

[00:53:35] fucking little country over here right right can we live here can we be refugees here because Babylon

[00:53:42] is killing everybody right and we want to not be dead yeah then the word of the Lord came to

[00:53:50] Jeremiah and teponies saying take large stones in your hand and hide them in the sight of the men

[00:53:57] of Judah I don't really understand what hide in the sight means so that they can see you doing it

[00:54:03] so you're not hiding them I don't know right in the clay in the brick courtyard which is at the

[00:54:10] entrance to Pharaoh's house in teponies and say to them thus says the Lord of hosts the God of Israel

[00:54:19] behold I will send and bring Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon my servant and will set his throne

[00:54:27] above these stones that I have hidden oh so he wasn't trying to actually hide them he was trying

[00:54:33] to be seen yeah you make a point yeah he's like look at these stones right I'm hiding them here for

[00:54:39] a reason yeah and y'all get to know sure the reason Babylon's coming and this is where Nebuchadnezzar

[00:54:46] is gonna sit his throne okay and he will spread his royal pavilion over them when he comes he

[00:54:52] will strike the land of Egypt and deliver to death those appointed for death and to captivity those

[00:54:59] appointed for captivity and to the sword those appointed for the sword and to ramen noodles those

[00:55:06] appointed for ramen noodles and to the couch those appointed to the couch right right okay I'm

[00:55:12] just putting it out there yeah yeah okay I will kindle a fire in the houses of the gods of Egypt and he

[00:55:18] shall burn them and carry them away captive and he shall array himself with the land of Egypt as

[00:55:26] a shepherd puts on his garment and he shall go out from there in peace I take a little bit of

[00:55:33] issue with this because why is Nebuchadnezzar gonna worry himself like unless he was already going to

[00:55:39] attack Egypt why is he gonna worry himself about this remnant that's running away from Jerusalem

[00:55:46] you know like it doesn't doesn't make a whole lot of sense like they're I don't know is he just mad

[00:55:52] because they got away they got away like I don't know or was he gonna go ahead and attack Egypt

[00:55:57] anyway who knows they were already kind of on a warpath they'd already fought once you know because

[00:56:01] that's what let them break the siege of Jerusalem there briefly so I want to find out did this ever

[00:56:08] happen did that's a good point did Babylon ever go into Egypt I don't know enough history to know

[00:56:14] I want to look that up maybe for our Q&A do a little bit of Babylonian and Egyptian

[00:56:19] yeah there should be some history about it because I mean they the Babylonians and the Egyptians both

[00:56:25] kept pretty detailed records about things right particularly the Egyptians right and you would

[00:56:29] think that those things would be available to find out for sure so right that would be something that

[00:56:33] shouldn't talk about in our Q&A probably that's what I'm saying yeah yeah yeah um I also want to

[00:56:38] add a note where it says um that he shall array himself with the land of Egypt as a shepherd puts on

[00:56:46] his garment mm-hmm in other translations like what this is supposed to mean as he's gonna wear Egypt

[00:56:54] like as easily as nothing not even thinking about it got it he's gonna put them on like a

[00:57:00] vest and it won't be a thing okay that's how easy this will be easy it'll be but in other

[00:57:05] translations um it talks about plucking fleas off of himself or or varmants or little bugs off

[00:57:14] of him like nothing like they're trying to say this guy's really powerful right but also um

[00:57:21] they took out and changed the picking of knits off of himself because that was

[00:57:30] um too close to basically referring to people in the Middle East as dirty and having fleas got it

[00:57:39] so according to the notes that I read that's why that was changed I don't know how true that is

[00:57:44] right it does track that their racist flux right but I don't know that they would necessarily say

[00:57:52] let's not be a racist fuck on this one page so I don't know why some translations and not others

[00:57:58] sure yeah I don't know so I just want to throw that out there food for thought yeah okay he shall also

[00:58:04] break the sacred pillars of Beth Shamesh that are in the land of Egypt and the houses of the gods of

[00:58:12] the Egyptians he shall burn with fire okay yeah um Beth Shamesh the literal translation of that

[00:58:21] city is house of the sun hey we talked about that mesh but we have it was located about six miles

[00:58:28] northeast of Cairo was the ancient worship center of Sun God Ray later called Heliopolis okay

[00:58:36] which makes sense yeah and the oracle here he's describing Egypt as not a safe refuge from

[00:58:45] Nebuchadnezzar obviously right right so he's like this is not good he's gonna burn Egypt yeah I don't

[00:58:53] think that happened but I find it interesting though that Jeremiah is still going with them like he

[00:58:57] he was he was kidnapped he was forced to go with um I did read some I haven't read the chapters

[00:59:04] I had I never read the chapters I had but some of the notes I sometimes they allude to things yeah

[00:59:11] and he was definitely forced to go with these people and because of his prophecy that everybody

[00:59:20] the remnant who goes there they're gonna get punished yeah he was definitely concerned that

[00:59:25] he was gonna get punished along with everybody yeah since he got good but that's why I was you know

[00:59:30] kind of wondering why he went along yeah he didn't have a choice he was forced probably because

[00:59:35] they're pissed well I mean you know I think that they know that um Jeremiah and Baruch are double agents

[00:59:43] and they're like nah you bitches are coming with us right we're not gonna let you run back to

[00:59:47] Babylon we're not gonna kill you because we're not murderous bucks like you but we're also not

[00:59:52] gonna let you go and run and tell fucking um ishmael or never canesor where we are right like no

[01:00:02] fuck you you're coming yeah and maybe even like this does occur to me maybe even they thought that

[01:00:08] if they took the quote unquote profit of God with them that maybe that would protect them from

[01:00:14] punishment because surely God would not punish his own profit could be could be maybe bit of both

[01:00:19] right just head your bets right right like I'm not saying I believe this but just in case right yeah

[01:00:26] all right well so they're they're heading to Egypt and Jeremiah's along for the right and now

[01:00:31] they're in Egypt now they're in Egypt now sorry and apparently now um Babylon's gonna fight Egypt maybe

[01:00:38] we'll see which is interesting so yeah I am gonna look into that no I'm very curious I don't know

[01:00:45] historically yeah historically I'm not sure that that actually happened right maybe it might

[01:00:50] have though sure there are some things that do line up with the Bible sure all right well that

[01:00:54] being said that was uh Jeremiah chapter 43 sure fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with

[01:01:01] Jeremiah chapter 44 the end of this little narrative selection all right we'll see you guys then

[01:01:07] bye

[01:01:13] husband wife do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today

[01:01:18] well we just got done reading Jeremiah chapter 43 sure is fucked it and in that chapter uh the

[01:01:26] remnants the the the people who were left in juda um were running the way to Egypt and they stop to ask

[01:01:34] Jeremiah like what the fuck what should we do what do we do yeah and then they they decided after

[01:01:41] you know weighing it all over and deciding that he might be a traitor to just go ahead and go on

[01:01:47] into the to Egypt even though Jeremiah was like you guys should totally not go into Egypt right so

[01:01:53] then they were like yeah fuck you and also we don't want you running back to them so we're gonna

[01:01:58] take you with us regardless of whether you want to go or not because you and the broke are total

[01:02:03] sus yeah yeah you guys are you guys are definitely spies fuckers yeah and I don't disagree right

[01:02:09] I'm I'm totally with them on this yeah we saw this coming a mile away right and then the people

[01:02:14] caught up to us and were like hey are you spies right right right and then they got to Egypt and

[01:02:22] yeah and then um Jeremiah started hiding stones mm-hmm and and then he was like my buddy

[01:02:28] nezor is gonna come and get you ha ha basically yeah that basically happened and that was

[01:02:35] pretty much what happened in Jeremiah chapter 43 yes that is so that being said what are we

[01:02:40] getting into today Jeremiah chapter 44 all right let's do this okie dokie

[01:02:45] all right we are hopping into Jeremiah chapter 44 ok got a couple of notes before we dive in

[01:03:02] ok and one of them is really interesting ok here's the boring one this chapter is part of a

[01:03:08] narrative consisting of chapters 37 to 44 which is the last one oh that narrative not of Jeremiah correct

[01:03:16] Jeremiah continues but interestingly enough this is chronologically the last episode of Jeremiah's

[01:03:25] ministry oh he delivers his last little speech to the people ok interesting which we still have

[01:03:35] like 10 chapters left so I don't understand right yeah I'm a little confused about that right so

[01:03:41] you know stay tuned I guess we will see what happens question yeah yeah all right so here we go

[01:03:49] diving into chapter 44 the word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews who dwell in the land

[01:03:56] of Egypt who dwell at migdol at toponese at naf and in the country of path roast these are all

[01:04:04] various places in Egypt sure get to in a minute ok saying so this is God talking yeah according to

[01:04:10] Jeremiah right but says the Lord of hosts the god of Israel you have seen all the calamity that I

[01:04:17] have brought on Jerusalem and on all the cities of Judah and behold this day they are a desolation

[01:04:24] and no one dwells in them because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke me to

[01:04:30] anger yeah that's why they did it yeah it wasn't because they were just trying to live their own

[01:04:34] lives and do their own thing they were on purpose trying to antagonize you because it's always about

[01:04:40] you if they really were fearful of this God and believe the Jeremiah was telling the word of God

[01:04:47] they would have run right back to fucking Jerusalem yeah Jerusalem because that's what Jeremiah's

[01:04:53] hold them to do but obviously they don't fear this God or they holy don't believe Jeremiah right

[01:05:02] you know like one of those two things is true or both mm-hmm this is not about God and their

[01:05:08] idea of God it's their trust level of what Jeremiah is telling them or not you know like that's

[01:05:15] really what this boils down to because God's not talking to them exactly so God continues

[01:05:21] because of their wickedness blah blah blah in which they committed to piss me off yeah in that

[01:05:27] they went to burn incense and to serve other gods whom they did not know they nor you nor your

[01:05:35] fathers okay so now that they're in Egypt they're already added again with their but they've

[01:05:42] never they've literally never stopped yeah however I have sent to you all my servants the prophets

[01:05:49] rising early and sending them saying oh do not do this abominable thing that I hate

[01:05:55] but they did not listen or incline their ear to turn from their wickedness I think burn no

[01:06:01] incense to other gods I think that maybe Jeremiah was not a morning person he always mentions

[01:06:08] how these roses rose early you know and you don't mention that if it's easy for you to do right

[01:06:14] so I don't think you like giving up early in the morning so he's like I'm getting up early for

[01:06:18] you fucks yeah to tell you this word of God stuff yeah so you better fucking listen exactly so my

[01:06:26] theory and my anger were poured out and kindled in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem

[01:06:32] and they are wasted and desolate as it is to this day okay so let me get into some notes here

[01:06:40] okay yeah so verse one is Jeremiah's final message to the Judeans living in various places

[01:06:47] throughout Egypt okay yeah and therefore the Jerusalem Bible suggests that this introduction

[01:06:53] to Jeremiah's final prophecy represents a message being addressed to the whole Jewish diaspora

[01:07:00] in Egypt not just to the remnants that he was standing with got it so there was people there prior

[01:07:06] to them even running like yeah people had already fled to Egypt yes correct okay and this message

[01:07:13] is thought to have been delivered in the 17th or 18th year after the taking of Jerusalem okay so they

[01:07:20] been there like a couple yeah one or two decades now okay yeah like settling in okay yeah

[01:07:27] um tapini's like we said last time is Daphne and that was the first border point in Egypt okay all right

[01:07:36] and then Noth is Memphis in lower Egypt path roasts is in upper Egypt okay so there's that

[01:07:46] and let's see just trying to see where my next set of notes are so I see sure far I should read

[01:07:53] okay now therefore thus says the Lord the God of hosts the God of Israel why assholes do you commit

[01:08:02] this great evil against yourselves to cut off from you man and woman child and infant out of Judah

[01:08:10] leaving none to remain in that you provoke me to wrath with the works of your hands burning

[01:08:17] incense to other gods in the land of Egypt where you have gone to dwell that you may cut yourselves

[01:08:22] off and be a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth like all the other nations give

[01:08:29] a fuck right well I'm actually a little confused honestly because like early on the message was

[01:08:35] turn yourselves over to Babylon right and give the give yourselves up and you'll you'll live in this

[01:08:40] other land for 70 years and then you'll return to Judah right and now he's like why did you leave Judah

[01:08:47] well it was because you told us to not not to Egypt but like he told he told the the Israelites that

[01:08:55] they were going to be out of their land for 70 years yes but out of their land given over to Babylon

[01:09:02] right sure but it's still taken over by Babylon they just happen to be in Egypt they're still out

[01:09:07] of their fucking land okay I'm not really following you say it again I'm saying that

[01:09:13] he's saying why haven't you stayed in Judah right why haven't you occupied this place that I have

[01:09:21] you know procured for you and your people he's literally the one that was regardless of where they

[01:09:27] went regardless of how they didn't listen to him to go down to Babylon or whatever there was at no

[01:09:33] like earlier on we were reading through Jeremiah he was saying that I'm going to kick your asses out

[01:09:39] of Jerusalem for 70 years right now the majority of them in this last few chapters yes we've had

[01:09:45] this little like oh some of you get to stay this remnant gets to stay within the decide not to stay

[01:09:51] but that wasn't the original plan the original plan was y'all are gonna go away I'm gonna burn

[01:09:56] this place to the ground we're gonna start over oh so you're saying since God didn't go ahead

[01:10:02] and burn them all anyway who gives a shit where they're running yeah yeah okay so I read in notes

[01:10:09] that he always says all when what he really means is most you would think though a God could be

[01:10:16] very clear about what he wants and what he says you would think you would think and I'm also like

[01:10:21] oh so are we interpreting God's word again are we doing that thing right we're like this is what

[01:10:27] God truly man right whatever's convenient I didn't give him time right yeah and I'm like I

[01:10:32] thought we were supposed to do that right and what makes you what makes you think that you know that

[01:10:37] yeah like why do you get to decide that's what he really means I still ask that of people that

[01:10:42] believe in God today like there is all kinds of people that have all like there's literally as

[01:10:47] many people as there are that are religious there's that many fucking opinions about what God

[01:10:52] is and what it means yeah I mean there is literally no way to talk to someone who is a religious

[01:10:57] person in any real meaningful sense because you can't actually hold them to account for any idea

[01:11:06] right that is dispersed through the Bible or through their religion or through their

[01:11:10] because church even if they 100% believe everything in the Bible then you're talking to somebody who

[01:11:15] legit believes in talking donkeys and all the other bullshit nonsense magical things right that

[01:11:20] happened and that you know there have been like angels that came down and that like floating

[01:11:26] whatever what have you sure I'm like okay so we have nothing to talk about here if you believe in

[01:11:33] all of that magical woohoo stuff like we can't even start to stop right but like and then if

[01:11:38] they're like no those are just allegories then the question is okay but why are you deciding that

[01:11:45] right like it all happened or it didn't happen is the first question and whichever way you go

[01:11:52] you're wrong but even if they believed in talking donkeys even if they believed in all the crazy

[01:11:59] shit right if they would just hold to it if they would say yes this is 100% what Christianity is

[01:12:06] right it would be easier to talk to Christians as a whole right you know I don't think that's correct

[01:12:14] let's talk about how your God did this and your God did that but there's always back pedaling

[01:12:20] yeah there's always there's always you know there's always some sort of a um

[01:12:25] you read that wrong you took it out of context yes you just don't get it or ours is not to know

[01:12:32] right like that's that's the ultimate get out of jail free yeah there is no you can't actually confront

[01:12:38] someone who believes because they don't come from T. It's like trying to find an actual fucking

[01:12:43] answer right it's not a confrontation and I think that's my biggest like even when I was searching for

[01:12:48] answers about God when I was younger I was not ever satisfactorily able to come up with anybody

[01:12:54] to give me an answer right because they don't they're so scared of the answer they can't even

[01:13:00] give you the answer because they don't know what the fucking answer is either no until the answer

[01:13:04] is just always oh you're asking too many questions and you know you're not coming at this with

[01:13:09] the right heart and I'm like what is the right heart can you define that and then they're like

[01:13:13] questioning that's what it is right exactly you're not supposed to question but I don't understand

[01:13:19] like then what is it I'm believing again tell me why would God create a whole you know world of people

[01:13:26] who have the ability and crave the ability to question things and then expect you not to do it

[01:13:32] with regard to him well my thing is okay so let's say I go into this without questioning

[01:13:38] you spell out on a paper a list exactly what I'm supposed to believe right and get 25 Christians

[01:13:46] to all agree from different denominations right yeah yes if you believe these 25 things then

[01:13:55] you are believing in God and you are a Christian right that that's not going to happen

[01:14:01] I guarantee you that 25 out of 25 Christians believe that atheists are wrong yes that's I can

[01:14:07] guarantee that the only thing that they will agree on and the Bible is God's word right even

[01:14:13] even at that but some of them say it's 100% true sure some of them say it's 100% allegory

[01:14:20] it's a very nuanced argument because you'd never know even with just that right what you're talking

[01:14:25] to someone about like they mean by that what they are trying to convey with that so right so like

[01:14:30] I don't get that you just have to believe and again I'm just like believe what exactly now

[01:14:35] right seriously I'm not asking to be a smart-ass I literally don't know what it is you're asking me

[01:14:42] in God but what is that right I don't know what you're asking me to believe and if you ever notice how

[01:14:49] every other Christian that you bring up that you're like well I've heard it differently over here

[01:14:54] well those aren't true Christians I'm like oh Jesus come on come on right like you're the only

[01:15:01] one man you're the only one yep that's magic right yeah that's the magic yeah I'm surprised

[01:15:06] that your fucking toilet town doesn't float yeah millions of fucking only right Christians it's amazing

[01:15:13] yeah anyway continue when you have you this is God talking have you forgotten the wickedness of

[01:15:20] your fathers the wickedness of the kings of Judah the wickedness of their wives your own wickedness

[01:15:27] and the wickedness of your wives which they committed in the land of Judah and in the streets of

[01:15:31] Jerusalem they have not been humbled to this day nor have they feared you just killed a shit ton of

[01:15:40] them I think some of them were humbled well this is like 20 years later still they killed them within

[01:15:44] the life you know within a generation but these people are they're like whatever I'm settling in

[01:15:49] all right you know that was yesterday right you know all right they have not walked in my law

[01:15:55] or in my statutes that I set before you and your fathers therefore thus says the Lord of hosts

[01:16:02] the God of Israel but old I will set my face against you bitches again for catastrophe and for

[01:16:09] cutting off all Judah and I will take the remnant of Judah who have set their faces to go into the land

[01:16:14] of Egypt to dwell there and they shall all be consumed and fall in the land of Egypt it's funny

[01:16:22] it's only taken on what you said about 17 years you get to the point where he's going to actually

[01:16:26] follow through with this plan yeah those rocks that Jeremiah set there at the entrance they sat

[01:16:30] there for a long fucking time right I'm just saying well I mean God's timeline is so much longer

[01:16:37] right right yeah a blink of his eyes is checking my watch about 17 years for us meanwhile half the

[01:16:46] people that Jeremiah threatened with those stones are probably already dead they're like well

[01:16:50] that never came to pass exactly so they shall be consumed by the sword and by famine they shall

[01:16:57] die from the least to the greatest by the sword and by famine and they shall be an oath and

[01:17:03] astonishment occurs in a reproach this sounds familiar we really does I mean honestly God

[01:17:09] spends more time killing Israelites than anybody else it's true so for I will punish those who

[01:17:15] dwell in the land of Egypt as I have punished Jerusalem by the sword by famine and by pesto lands

[01:17:21] mm-hmm you know those things so that none of the remnant of Judah who have gone into the land of

[01:17:25] Egypt to dwell there shall escape or survive unless they return to the land of Judah to which

[01:17:32] they desire to return and dwell for none shall return except those who escape yeah if you choose to

[01:17:38] return there's a few before I kill you the remnant of the remnant right there's gonna be a remnant

[01:17:43] of the remnant that you run away opposite opposite then we're gonna be good yeah but I'll let them go yeah

[01:17:48] if you escape you escape I mean what correct true yes okay then all the men oh God's done talking now

[01:18:00] okay okay now we're saying what happens next sure Jeremiah is like boom I laid down the law

[01:18:05] right 15 years later like you said the same shit for how many decades before still alive oh my God

[01:18:11] I still talking man right okay then all the men who knew that their wives had burned in

[01:18:17] since the other gods with all the women who stood by a great multitude and all the people who

[01:18:23] dwelt in the land of Egypt and path roast answered Jeremiah saying as for the word that you have

[01:18:29] spoken to us in the name of the Lord shiii we will not listen to you but we will certainly do whatever

[01:18:36] has gone out of our own mouth to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her

[01:18:43] I'm assuming this is a different God um not quite okay as we have done we and our fathers our kings

[01:18:50] and our princes in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem for then they're talking about

[01:18:56] like the good old days okay back before Josiah like overturned everything and tried to straighten up

[01:19:02] and get rid of all the pagan stuff okay yeah for them we have plenty of food we were well off and we

[01:19:09] saw no trouble but since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink

[01:19:14] offerings to her we have lacked everything and I've been consumed by the sword and by famine

[01:19:20] so he's there the men are like bring it what the fuck ever right but we're the fuckers the queen of

[01:19:24] heaven oh I'm gonna get okay I'm gonna get there all right the women also said shiii it and when

[01:19:30] we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her did we make cakes for

[01:19:36] her to worship her and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands permission so the wives

[01:19:43] the men are like we've been doing this ship for ages so back off and then the women are like

[01:19:49] and we didn't have a choice our husbands kind of made us so we're fine right all right so let's get

[01:19:54] into this okay let's talk about the queen of heaven right yeah this is a title given to a number

[01:20:01] of ancient sky goddesses worship throughout the ancient Mediterranean and the ancient near east okay

[01:20:08] goddesses known to have been referred to by this title include inana a not inana isis

[01:20:16] nute astarte and ashara ah here we go right okay well you know it's funny though like if we

[01:20:24] go back to some of the hypotheses earlier on uh-huh ashara was often attributed to um being

[01:20:30] the wife of el yeah the wife of el which is god essentially yeah bring all this forward right

[01:20:37] so they've just gone back to their roots is all they never left them though like right they

[01:20:41] that's the part that i'm i keep trying to say what as we're reading through this because

[01:20:45] from what i am understanding from the general populace of israel is that these these folks never

[01:20:51] really moved out of their pagan roots right exactly like maybe they've um refined some of their

[01:20:59] thoughts with regard to what god is and what god isn't but they've never given up their pagan

[01:21:05] roots no they never did you're correct you are correct yeah a starte is the name of a goddess

[01:21:12] as known from north western somatic regions equivalent would be the goddess ish tar in mesopotamian text

[01:21:21] i heard that name before i think maybe we even we have we have some of this is stuff that we talked

[01:21:27] about like a couple years ago yeah yeah it's not it's not anything recent i know but like you know

[01:21:31] i do remember that name yes starte was accepted by the Greeks under the name of aphrodite

[01:21:37] oh yeah so we've got aphrodite a shira ish tar inana all these names are the same interesting

[01:21:45] how all these religions just kind of like meld together you know like it's just all right there

[01:21:50] yeah and they're all they're all like the the queen of heaven is also like um goddess of the moon

[01:21:58] and fertility and beauty and love like it's all mingle together in one big woman because it's

[01:22:07] essentially the same story just told in different cultures and retold and retold and retold

[01:22:12] until it becomes it's we've talked about this before too the game of telephone right

[01:22:17] it's just these things have become their own entities and different lands because

[01:22:22] they they take on a life of their own so yeah ish tarte was the goddess of war and love

[01:22:28] and she represented the female principal of fertility which that's basically what i just said yeah

[01:22:33] a starte may be the iron age incarnation of the bronze age ashira so the iron age would have been

[01:22:43] after 1200 BCE and then the bronze age would have been up to 1200 BCE right and that was back i

[01:22:50] remember talking about that too how we're transitioning from one of the others yep yep so basically

[01:22:57] a starte became ashira okay so and they're they're just all the same ish sure ashira was worshiped

[01:23:04] in ancient israel as we know as the consort of l and in juda as the consort of yaway

[01:23:13] oh so it made the transition along yeah okay all right so i mean but el is yaway you know what i mean

[01:23:20] like depending on right what time period we're talking about right i mean there's no definitive

[01:23:27] break as to when right el ended in yaway we can't exactly right it just those two stories those two

[01:23:34] gods were like where we get our two different creation stories right at the very beginning of

[01:23:39] genesis yeah one is el and one is yaway and it's like whatever yeah y'all stupid anyway yes i'm so

[01:23:47] like full of disdain i'm sorry i just am i can't help it i'm looking at you with my 2024 glasses on

[01:23:56] i cannot help it yeah i cannot take them off today right sometimes i can be very respectful and

[01:24:01] other times i'm like nope those glasses are glued to my head i mean these things are it's just

[01:24:08] it's silly to take these things as seriously as they are taken today mm-hmm like it's it's silly

[01:24:14] on the on par on level with santa or the Easter Bunny right you know like and and the only problem

[01:24:21] that we have with it is that the people that believe in this shit are making it to where the

[01:24:26] measles are coming back right like fuck off with your god damn santa clause right and get your

[01:24:32] god damn shots you dumbasses yes like literally stop believing in magic and go get your fucking

[01:24:41] vaccinations right right okay get off my soapbox okay there was a temple of yaway in Egypt at the time

[01:24:50] of the judayans entering Egypt about the six to seven centuries BCE okay yeah so that's interesting

[01:24:58] and this temple of yaway in Egypt was central to the Jewish community at elephantine

[01:25:06] in which yaway was worshipped in conjunction with the goddess Anath who was also named in the temple

[01:25:14] papyri found in that area as anath Bethel and Anath Lahu okay yeah her counterpart in the new

[01:25:23] testament like we're gonna get to the new testament eventually yeah it's a counterpart in the

[01:25:28] new testament huh yeah it's Artemis okay and in Latin Diana that's in the new testament

[01:25:36] mm-hmm apparently I've never okay yeah I mean they may refer to her I don't fucking know

[01:25:41] okay like the Romans right it would be the Romans talking about right that's why I was yeah more

[01:25:47] okay all right so like right now we're talking about like the Greeks and stuff and you know Egypt

[01:25:54] but then when we get into the new testament that's gonna be the Romans okay and so yeah Artemis

[01:25:59] would make sense sure but in Latin it would be Diana like Diana was of the moon got it yeah she's

[01:26:06] the moon goddess okay so for the Babylonians the queen of heaven was a maternal deity connected with

[01:26:12] the moon with family and with fertility got it which makes sense yeah the goddesses Ashira Anath

[01:26:19] Anastarte first appear as distinct and separate deities in the tablets discovered in the ruins

[01:26:26] of the library of Eugurit which is modern day Syria okay and most biblical scholars tend to

[01:26:34] regard these goddesses as one especially under the title queen of heaven okay so they were separate

[01:26:40] entities but only in that the different people spread out sure might have misnamed her or her name

[01:26:49] might have like evolved differently over here as to over there sure so it is the same fucking person

[01:26:56] yep okay so okay let's get back into our chapter okay so you know the men are like fuck this we've

[01:27:04] been doing this forever and the women are like and the husbands let us so fuck off right okay so then

[01:27:10] Jeremiah spoke to all the people the men the women and all the people who had given them that answer saying

[01:27:18] the incense that you burned in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem you and your

[01:27:24] fathers your kings and your princes and the people of the land did not the Lord remember them

[01:27:30] and did it not come into his mind so the Lord could no longer bear it because of the evil of your

[01:27:36] doings and because of the abominations which you committed therefore your land is a desolation

[01:27:43] an astonishment occurs and without an inhabitant as it is to this day because you have burned incense

[01:27:51] and because you have sinned against the Lord and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord or walked in his law

[01:27:59] in his statutes or in his testimonies therefore this calamity has happened to you as at this day

[01:28:07] so they're like no it happened when Josiah knocked all our statues down and Jeremiah is like saying

[01:28:17] no stupid it happened yes at that time but it happened because God ran out of fucking patience

[01:28:24] right and I'm like you're both wrong yeah more over Jeremiah said to all the people and to all the women

[01:28:33] hear the word of the Lord all Judah who are in the land of Egypt thus says the Lord of hosts the

[01:28:40] God of Israel saying you and your wives have spoken with your mouths and fulfilled with your hands

[01:28:47] saying we will surely keep our vows that we have made to burn incense to the queen of heaven

[01:28:53] and pour out drink offerings to her you will surely keep your vows and perform your vows therefore

[01:28:59] hear the word of the Lord all Judah who dwell in the land of Egypt behold

[01:29:04] did he go fuck them up I have sworn by my great name says the Lord I swear on me yeah that my name

[01:29:11] shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt saying the Lord

[01:29:17] God lives behold bitches I will watch over them for adversity and not for good okay okay he's like

[01:29:26] fine y'all promise you're gonna keep it up I promise I'm not gonna even help you so basically

[01:29:31] Jeremiah is cursing them at this point yeah he's like fine y'all don't want to fucking listen to me

[01:29:36] I'm gonna make God be pissy with you the rest of your your fucking lives God says he's gonna say

[01:29:41] whatever Jeremiah is the one fucking saying it yes and all the men of Judah who are in the land of

[01:29:47] Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by famine until there isn't end to them boom yet a small

[01:29:53] number who escaped the sword shall return from the land of Egypt to the land of Judah of course

[01:29:58] and all the remnant of Judah who have gone to the land of Egypt to dwell there shall know

[01:30:03] those words will stand minor theirs and this shall be assigned to you says the Lord

[01:30:09] that I will punish you in this place that you may know that my words will surely stand against

[01:30:14] you for adversity don't call me Shirley the says the Lord oh bitches I will give Pharaoh

[01:30:23] Hoffra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies and into the hand of those who seek his life

[01:30:31] as I gave Zedekaya king of Judah into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon his enemy who

[01:30:38] sought his life boom the end I am really looking forward to our Q&A this week because we are

[01:30:42] going to cover some history right yeah well I have some notes now oh okay that um I relevant yeah

[01:30:48] I needed to look into because I was like okay what is happening right now like what time period

[01:30:55] is this yeah all right so when God says I will watch over them for adversity and not for good that was

[01:31:00] verse 27 yeah it's possible actually that the Jewish community in Egypt heard Jeremiah's warnings

[01:31:06] and repented because by the time of the New Testament which we're not at yet

[01:31:12] there was a large and strong Jewish community in Egypt and perhaps they eventually responded

[01:31:18] in repentance and were spared this judgment wait a second they that's an apologist yeah because

[01:31:26] God literally said if you don't run away from Egypt yeah I'm going to punish and you will die

[01:31:30] well he was saying that specifically to that remnant group people who had already come to Egypt before

[01:31:37] that and settled in but what you just got to tell me earlier in the this chapter that he was talking

[01:31:44] to all the people of Egypt like all the people that have been there before and all the people that

[01:31:49] you know I have no idea right well that's what I'm saying like it just depends on what chapter

[01:31:54] and what verse you're in babe and it depends on the mood and it depends on the pastor

[01:31:59] and it also depends on which apologist you're reading right as to who he's speaking to

[01:32:06] well and you know what if if pastors and preachers and priests and all these people could just admit

[01:32:13] that they're not fucking sure that would be awesome step in the right direction right yeah because

[01:32:19] the truth is you're not fucking sure I'm reading this book and I can tell you 100% I don't care

[01:32:24] how much fucking study and you did you are not sure because no one is sure what I got out of this

[01:32:29] is wait so then that shit didn't happen then right yeah that's what I got exactly exactly okay

[01:32:36] so but let's go on because I have some more notes okay in that last verse Jeremiah tells them

[01:32:42] of the judgment to come upon the Pharaoh and of Egypt okay yep so Huffa or aprize was and

[01:32:51] we've talked about him before yeah because he's the guy that's happening right there sure you know

[01:32:56] right at that moment yep he was the fourth king of the 26th dynasty of Egypt okay and he ruled from

[01:33:04] 589 to 570 BCE okay so like right after the Babylonian people came like he took over as Babylon

[01:33:14] Babylon was taking over Israel basically yes correct he forged an alliance was Edikaya to rebel against

[01:33:21] Babylon remember that was in Jeremiah 37 right he sent an army in the summer of 588 BCE but

[01:33:29] that action failed to prevent the fall of Jerusalem in 587 okay so we remember all that okay aprizes

[01:33:37] or Huffa whichever you prefer to call him yep yep his unsuccessful attempt to intervene in the

[01:33:44] politics of the kingdom of Judah was followed by a mutiny of soldiers from the strategically important

[01:33:51] as Juan Garrison okay because he had some mercenaries with him okay yeah and the fact that they

[01:33:57] like turn tail yeah and let Babylon go ahead and get their get that's what caused the problems with

[01:34:03] yeah that started the downfall of this dude not Egypt this dude got it got it yeah a recently

[01:34:11] uncovered steela from teponis records that nebuchadnezzar attempted to invade Egypt in 582 BCE

[01:34:20] okay but aprizes or Huffa's forces were able to repel the invasion okay which is cool so it never

[01:34:29] actually came to pass what god predicted here got a little bit more all right but not in the big

[01:34:34] way god was shouting about right yeah a civil war broke out in the Egyptian army between the indigenous

[01:34:42] troops versus the foreign mercenaries okay that Huffa had yeah I'm gonna call him Huffa because that

[01:34:49] other name is more difficult yeah sure okay so the Egyptians threw their support to a very successful

[01:34:57] general under Huffa's father this guy had had a lot of success under Huffa's father back in the

[01:35:05] day before he died right this general was named a masses okay yeah so a masses quickly declared

[01:35:13] himself Pharaoh in 570 BCE as you do as you do right okay and Huffa fled Egypt and he sought refuge

[01:35:21] in a foreign country and when Huffa marched back to Egypt in 567 BCE with the aid of a Babylonian army

[01:35:33] to reclaim the throne of Egypt oh wow he was likely killed in battle with a masses force

[01:35:40] I see so he became a trader yeah like this guy like he he was like hey I'll work with you guys

[01:35:47] if if you help me get my seat back yeah can you please help me right get my throne yeah yeah but it

[01:35:53] didn't work out for him right so I mean everybody was like I hate Babylon and then they're like

[01:35:59] Babylon can you help me a little bit please right even Egypt yeah so a masses that general guy yeah

[01:36:05] he married Huffa's daughter to legitimize his ascension to power and he continued to rule until

[01:36:12] his death in 526 BC so he ruled for a good long while yeah he did like a good 50 plus years yeah

[01:36:19] yeah he was like what yeah and apparently he was like a very successful king as well as a very

[01:36:27] successful general right right because I mean I mean I'm sick he held off God yeah right

[01:36:33] according you know yeah yeah I'm here anyway so scripture is silent on what happened to Jeremiah

[01:36:40] after the events of this chapter they killed him because he's an idiot though tradition

[01:36:44] on the server all right though tradition offers several legends concerning his death okay okay yeah so

[01:36:52] one legend states that he was killed at Daphne that one city okay yeah yeah Tepinese right okay

[01:37:00] yeah another claims he was carried away claims he carried away the tabernacle hiding it in the

[01:37:06] mountains where Moses died hold on wait tap that tabernacle hold on that story is actually

[01:37:14] recorded in second Macabees which really is one of the books that we actually have listed as

[01:37:22] as a follow up type as part of our what we're gonna read oh okay yeah got it so it's included in our

[01:37:30] Bible he think that we're reading got it okay yeah yeah apparently according to second Macabees

[01:37:37] he picked up the tabernacle and carried it away to Moses mountain I didn't even know the tabernacle

[01:37:42] was still around right like what do you would you even talking about that happen again right yeah

[01:37:48] so that's interesting wasn't that like it had to be that had to be carried by like like the Levi's

[01:37:53] had to carry it with like four or whatever people yeah yeah yeah and then yet another legend

[01:37:59] indicates that he was alive with Enoch and Elijah expected to return as a forerunner of the Messiah

[01:38:08] oh for fuck's sake that's probably more of a Christian yeah sure yeah you know how it be right so

[01:38:17] I tend to think that he was probably killed it definitely yeah I mean they didn't like him at all

[01:38:22] because that's where they had stopped right right that's where he was basically delivering this message

[01:38:28] yeah and he was like you guys all suck and they were like really okay yeah um we're gonna kill this

[01:38:34] dude right right and then I'm pretty sure I'm so done with this guy yeah yeah and you know him being

[01:38:42] a traitor and a lot yeah no and it's very very very clear to me that there is definite

[01:38:50] undertones of being a traitor yeah he is he's the people think it he's alluded to it like I mean

[01:38:58] just like it's all there yes so yeah I don't understand like there are 52 chapters of Jeremiah

[01:39:07] we're at 44 so there are eight more chapters of this book and so do they go back before

[01:39:16] I who knows Jeremiah or they do they talk about um some more Babylonian exile stuff

[01:39:22] right just without Jeremiah could be I or is the rest like Baruch summing up what happened with

[01:39:29] the history or something like I legit do not know well we're gonna find out soon enough I guess

[01:39:36] I love ending on a cliff note where I'm like but what happened next how do we have isn't that what

[01:39:42] I said you said cliff note oh that's funny that's funny sorry that was my dyslexia brain happening again

[01:39:49] yes cliffhanger where I'm like what's happening next I don't know I don't understand where are

[01:39:55] we going from here right right yeah well I guess we will find out soon so uh that was Jeremiah

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[01:41:08] episodes without the ads husband wife do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we

[01:41:15] are today well yesterday we read Jeremiah chapter 44 which is fucked it and in that chapter God was

[01:41:22] like y'all like brought this on yourselves you were worshiping idols and and like that's why all

[01:41:29] the bad shit happened and then they were like no we were worshiping idols and that's when all the

[01:41:35] good shit happened. And they were like all up about the queen of heaven yeah yeah and then

[01:41:44] the sheer oppose just never seemed to go away yeah that was interesting yeah and God was like I'm

[01:41:48] going to kill all you fuckers here in Israel unless you run away back to the Egypt yeah any

[01:41:53] Egypt I'm sorry and then unless you run away back to Israel and and then he never did right

[01:41:59] least you know according to your research anyway yeah so he never can as a tried but didn't succeed

[01:42:06] correct so and also what did happen though is the king Pharaoh whoever guy appries right

[01:42:17] hofrah yeah of Egypt he did get assassinated or whatever well yeah he got replaced and then he ran

[01:42:26] away and then he came back and they killed him in battle yeah probably right so by the captain

[01:42:31] of his father's guard right who who then was a good king apparently or at least an effective king

[01:42:36] effective yeah Pharaoh but yeah yeah so yeah that was Jeremiah chapter 44 and that was also the final

[01:42:44] chapter in that narrative yeah yeah so that bears I am very interested to see how this all plays out

[01:42:50] post um narrative post that narrative yeah and post like does Jeremiah even speak from here forward

[01:42:57] I don't know we've got eight chapters left so the book of Jeremiah yeah right so this should be

[01:43:01] interesting exactly so anyway that was Jeremiah chapter 44 yes it was which means that today we're

[01:43:07] getting into Jeremiah chapter 45 all right let's do this oh Gidoki okay we are getting into

[01:43:22] Jeremiah chapter 45 okay but a couple notes real quick sure okay yeah um obviously we just finished

[01:43:31] a narrative we did so we're like oh if we finish that narrative and that was the last time that

[01:43:37] Jeremiah like speaks or whatever to the people yeah then what's left right right yeah so this chapter

[01:43:46] actually goes back in time okay and do you remember that time period when Jeremiah was like

[01:43:53] hey Baruch I can't go into that temple area can you go over there and read the ship out loud for me

[01:44:01] yeah yeah that's what this is why are we jumping back there like this makes no sense you would have

[01:44:06] to ask Baruch he's the one that put all of this in order oh we know that for like that like that's a

[01:44:12] thing that's a thing okay that's a thing and um I'll tell you more when we get into this okay okay

[01:44:20] I just want to tell you when this takes place okay so the word that Jeremiah the prophet spoke to

[01:44:27] Baruch the son of Nariah when he had written these words in a book at the instruction of Jeremiah

[01:44:35] in the fourth year of Joachim the son of Josiah king of Judah saying thus says the Lord the God

[01:44:43] of Israel to you oh Baruch and it's like oh excuse me like Baruch gets a zone special message right

[01:44:51] that's part of why it came later because Baruch was like is Baruch trying to is this like post

[01:44:57] Jeremiah's influence and like Baruch's like you know I'm gonna get some influence in myself here um maybe

[01:45:04] maybe not though okay let me read what he says to him and then you decide for yourself okay yeah so

[01:45:13] this is Jeremiah speaking to Baruch as God okay you said whoa is me now Baruch for the lord has

[01:45:22] added grief to my sorrow I fainted in my sighing and I find no rest so basically he's like Baruch

[01:45:29] you were whining and and getting upset and stuff yeah okay okay thus you shall say to him

[01:45:36] God is telling Jeremiah to tell Baruch yeah thus says the Lord behold what I have built I will break down

[01:45:46] and what I have planted I will pluck up that is this whole land and do you seek great things for

[01:45:53] yourself do not seek them for behold I will bring adversity on all flesh says the Lord but I

[01:46:00] will give your life to you as a prize in all places wherever you go okay oh that was the end of

[01:46:07] the chapter yes wow here yeah I Jesus this is like a my soul call this a psalm I know but here's

[01:46:15] the thing like this actually makes Baruch not look good like the fact that he included this he's

[01:46:25] I was like really in my feels about what was happening like I was not thrilled everything

[01:46:32] about me was going to shit my buddy was in jail I was in danger right our reputations were ruined

[01:46:39] and you know I was moaning and groaning and God heard that yeah and told fucking Jeremiah to

[01:46:47] deliver me not Israel not the Jews not all of Judah not kings and stuff but me personally yeah a

[01:46:57] message from God to stop all that to stop fussing I don't even I don't know but if you're Jeremiah right

[01:47:04] I feel like it's hard to stop that um like if you're constantly talking for God

[01:47:10] and that's your whole way of communicating your ideas is like to say what God told you to say

[01:47:15] right then you're gonna if you want Baruch to stop whining God says stop whining but the fact that Baruch

[01:47:23] didn't put it in order yeah left it out and when it had it included it and then included it later

[01:47:31] after Jeremiah's story was basically done yeah that actually doesn't do any favors for Baruch

[01:47:40] except to make him look more upstanding and like wow good on you sir I would not have included that

[01:47:48] right I guess I don't know I mean but I still wonder how this is gonna play out as if he's gonna try

[01:47:55] to gain a little bit more notoriety well here's the thing let me read you some of my notes okay

[01:48:00] yeah my notes are basically as long as the chapter got it which isn't much right right so this happened

[01:48:06] during the fourth year of Joaquim which was 605 BCE okay I mean we were way back like 30 years ago

[01:48:12] or whatever and this part should have followed chapter 36 okay okay the previous chapters in

[01:48:19] this section that narrative that we just read those dealt with the time after the fall of Jerusalem

[01:48:24] and Judah whereas this chapter deals with a time many years before that catastrophe right right yeah

[01:48:31] Jeremiah gave this word of encouragement to his assistant Baruch on the occasion when Baruch had

[01:48:37] to read the scroll of God's judgments to the people so I remember I told you that Jeremiah was like

[01:48:42] dude can go read this ship for me yeah right okay so Baruch is lamenting because this is right after

[01:48:50] the king had given an order to take both Baruch and Jeremiah in order that they might be put to death

[01:48:56] at the instance of his nobles right so they had just been sentenced to death right and I can see

[01:49:04] from Baruch's point of view like this is what the fuck have I got myself into here yes yes now let me

[01:49:09] read a few more notes and then we'll discuss again yeah okay so Baruch was an educated man qualified

[01:49:17] as a secretary whose brother was an officer of high rank under Zedekaya okay he probably had

[01:49:25] entertained hopes of some distinction in the nation perhaps of attaining a high office or even

[01:49:32] of receiving the gift of prophecy himself like being named a prophet or something he came from an

[01:49:38] affluent and very educated family and you know sure he probably grew up being told you're going to

[01:49:45] do great things because that's just the way it is right right yeah but whatever great things he

[01:49:50] sought for himself were forfeited by his loyal support of Jeremiah sure so Baruch was thinking how

[01:49:56] his unpopular announcements might affect his own security or advancement but Jeremiah comes along

[01:50:03] and tells him dude when divide judgment falls on Judah you're going to be thankful enough just to

[01:50:10] come out of it alive right like that's what we were supposed to take from that see I took at I took

[01:50:16] it differently when I was reading it I thought that God was telling Jeremiah to tell Baruch you know

[01:50:22] hey don't worry about it whatever happens you're still going to live it's going to be okay you're

[01:50:26] going to survive right but what every single note taker took out of it was you're going to be grateful

[01:50:32] just to be alive hmm not just don't worry you'll be okay you'll survive but and you'll just be

[01:50:39] glad to have done so right and I well I mean I question well some he must have lived like if

[01:50:46] someone says so if they say that he put the book together right like there was this whole thing that

[01:50:51] happened when they're heading into Egypt mm-hmm he must have lived one of them must have lived yeah at

[01:50:56] the very least and you know since we don't hear from Jeremiah I'm assuming Baruch lived right

[01:51:02] and I so at least he lived I guess like his he was he was told he would definitely not in a good

[01:51:12] position there because they didn't they they thought he was part of that whole double agent shit too

[01:51:16] yeah so like they they thought he was part of this problem right and I I would imagine that if

[01:51:23] he did make it out of that situation that he was lucky to get out of that situation right so which

[01:51:29] kind of goes along with what he said yeah right yeah yeah so I don't I don't know what to think

[01:51:36] I I don't think that he was trying to paint himself in a good light because he didn't right and

[01:51:43] I don't think that he was trying to um attain anything with this because he didn't right but it

[01:51:51] would make sense to me also like and I don't know where this is going to go from here till it

[01:51:54] towards the end of the book go Jeremiah I don't either but I have not read ahead I don't have notes

[01:51:59] ahead right but I would imagine that if Baruch did live through that ordeal and heading into Egypt

[01:52:05] that you know with his ideas and his aspirations of becoming more he probably wanted to

[01:52:12] sell his you know what Jeremiah did for good right and that's maybe why this book is so prominent

[01:52:19] and why it made it into things because maybe Baruch did a good sales job after the fact okay

[01:52:24] maybe he ran to Babylon and then went and you know like the people over in Egypt obviously didn't

[01:52:29] like him right right so the Jewish people right right yeah I mean I don't know how the Egyptians

[01:52:35] fell yeah so maybe he he spent another 10 days running back to Babylon and then went with the

[01:52:40] remnant that actually it was captured in and the Babylon by the Babylonians and maybe he stayed

[01:52:46] with them and said and like he's like forget this Egypt Egypt crowd I'm just pitched the story over

[01:52:50] here because you know maybe they'll listen and see how right Jeremiah was right you know that

[01:52:56] that could actually be right that actually tracks and from their point of view they would still see

[01:53:01] Babylon heading to attack Egypt and they'd think well yeah it's still coming true he's still

[01:53:07] predicting that stuff like this is all this is all correct so they could he has a good sales pitch

[01:53:12] you know that's true that's true and painting himself as humble and not looking for anything more does

[01:53:20] paint him in the light of believability for the people that he's trying to be a salesman too right

[01:53:27] and he got I mean his name we're still talking about it 2000 years later that's true you know so

[01:53:33] I mean he did something right to have his name or remember 2000 years later that is true

[01:53:38] and all right you know it's just saying yeah I think it's interesting that this was such a short

[01:53:45] chapter yeah and I mean it was like maybe 10 sentences but well I think we were clamoring to talk about

[01:53:51] Baruch too so like you know but I didn't know until I was reading my notes that that's what this

[01:53:57] was about right and yeah definitely very very interesting to be so short and to find out like

[01:54:08] there are still questions about Baruch yeah we we kind of know what happened to Jeremiah

[01:54:13] but what happened to Baruch right right so I'm not sure what our Q&A is going to be about but I am

[01:54:20] going to be looking to see if there is any mention or legend of Baruch and I am going to look into

[01:54:27] some legends about Jeremiah and then we need to look into any more of the history of the wars

[01:54:32] went on back then or did you cover most of that I covered most of that okay in yesterday's episode I

[01:54:37] think gotcha so it kind of took care of itself sure that was going to be a question that we looked

[01:54:43] into right yeah no need to now all right well that was Jeremiah chapter 45 sure as fuck was which

[01:54:51] means that we will be back tomorrow on Saturday with Q&A Saturday not sure what I'm gonna cover but

[01:54:59] we'll see right and then on Sunday we didn't do a book club last week so I'm assuming maybe that's

[01:55:06] what we're doing that is correct we will be doing sacrilegious book club all right and then I

[01:55:13] will get the weekly wrap up out and then we'll be back on Monday with Jeremiah chapter 46 and who

[01:55:19] even knows what's that that's right yeah yeah I'm I'm very curious I am too which is a nice thing

[01:55:26] to be able to say yeah we'll see you guys then bye

[01:55:34] husband wave guess what today is well it is Saturday which means Q&A Saturday

[01:55:43] that I'm really excited about it okay sorry no that's all right you threw me off again I know

[01:55:50] I was a trip I wanted to shout or sing so I kind of did boom got it got it got it and what are

[01:55:57] we Q&A today we are going over some baruch shit baruch shit huh yeah like these were some of the

[01:56:04] questions that we had what happened to Jeremiah and Baruch are there any other legend stories

[01:56:10] that traditions about them to Baruch go on with the remnant in Egypt or did he go back to Babylon

[01:56:15] did they both just die and disappear into the analysis history how did Baruch put together Jeremiah's

[01:56:22] story at what point did it become official O.T. material hmm okay we had all these questions I mean

[01:56:29] yeah I didn't realize we had so many questions but we I mean yeah I want to know all that I was

[01:56:33] sitting there and I was like I need to know these things right answer most of them today okay are

[01:56:39] you ready to do this I am so fucking ready to do this then let's let's do it okay okay

[01:56:54] Baruch Baruch Baruch is on fire you have been dying to do that and know you have

[01:57:01] you mentioned you mentioned I don't know if it was on the podcast or not but you mentioned that

[01:57:06] was what it reminded you of every like I don't I don't know why but it did because it's and now I

[01:57:12] can't hear his name without thinking of that fucking reference so thanks for that we're going to

[01:57:19] learn about him today yeah I know I know you and he's like your last one of your last chances to get

[01:57:24] that out so you know I mean he's had to do it there's only so much of Jeremiah up yeah and then

[01:57:29] especially Baruch maybe although I think Lamentations follows Jeremiah and I think Baruch wrote

[01:57:38] that one too or Jeremiah did or both of them did together I don't know there's some

[01:57:43] we'll find out when we get there right yeah yeah all right so listen to this I'm listening

[01:57:48] okay so remember when we had to go back in time right because up through chapter 44 was like

[01:57:58] this neat narrative and then they went away with the into Egypt yeah they were like 20 years

[01:58:05] yeah yeah and they were like just kidding huh it never happened yet right okay yeah so that's

[01:58:11] where we're gonna start here okay both Baruch and Jeremiah witnessed the Babylonian siege of

[01:58:18] Jerusalem of eight I'm sorry five eighty seven to five eighty six BCE okay in the middle of

[01:58:27] the siege of Jerusalem while in prison Jeremiah purchased an estate in Anathoth remember that

[01:58:33] yes on which the Babylonian armies had encamped as a symbol of faith in the eventual restoration

[01:58:39] of Jerusalem okay yeah and Baruch continued to reside with him at Miss Pa okay yeah so I'm just

[01:58:46] kind of like catching us up to right right give us a little background yeah yeah so Baruch was

[01:58:53] carried with Jeremiah to Egypt where according to tradition he soon died okay oh so but there's

[01:59:01] other there's other stories out there okay yeah so two other traditions state that he later

[01:59:09] traveled or was taken by force to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar after that King's conquest of Egypt okay and

[01:59:18] wait conquest of Egypt I thought he attacked Egypt it didn't go so well right so that's okay conquest

[01:59:25] is probably the wrong word right yeah like fought on the outskirts of Egypt right right I mean he tried

[01:59:33] it was yeah he probably won a battle or two or something he didn't he didn't conquest no no conquest is way

[01:59:41] too strong an adjective or verb there right now whatever the fuck it is sure anyway another

[01:59:47] rabbinic tradition suggests that Baruch returned to Babylon after he witnessed Jeremiah's death by

[01:59:55] stoning and buried his body see that's that's the one I was thinking probably happened right because

[02:00:02] because they didn't like Jeremiah at all at all they stoned his ass and not in the good way yeah so

[02:00:10] rabbinical literature describes Baruch as a faithful helper and a blood relative of Jeremiah which

[02:00:17] I didn't know I didn't either I think there were like distant cousins maybe or some shit okay

[02:00:22] all right so Baruch and Jeremiah being descendants of the proselyte Rahab do you remember Rahab

[02:00:29] Rahab Rahab was a good in I do okay so this must have served as a humiliating example to their

[02:00:37] contemporaries because they were like you know the people who are around them right yeah we're looking

[02:00:44] at them like how far you've fallen got it because y'all are talking shit you're getting beat up

[02:00:51] in public you're going to jail right and you know you're doing this weird wacky god stuff and yeah

[02:00:58] your family must be so embarrassed but still his book ended up in the Bible somehow they didn't

[02:01:04] know that at the time right and remember during our last episode we suggested that perhaps it was

[02:01:12] because Baruch was such a good salesman right which I tend to think maybe is the case okay yeah

[02:01:19] so um these guys belong to the few who harkened to the word of god right yeah you know nobody

[02:01:26] else in their family like we don't know them they they weren't like hardcore prophesies

[02:01:32] easy profits doing the profits doing doing the prophecy yeah right yeah so okay one midrash you

[02:01:41] know that's the Jewish writings yeah okay one midrash regards Baruch as synonymous with the Ethiopian

[02:01:49] a bed malach the guy who pulled Jeremiah out of the jail okay who rescued Jeremiah from the dungeon

[02:01:57] and states that he received his name Baruch which means blessed because of his piety recall a bed malach

[02:02:06] meant servant to the king so there was like a question over whether that was his actual name or title

[02:02:14] and even if it was his name it it was a nameless name I I call bullshit on that one okay I mean

[02:02:21] not only because a bed malach was like right at the end right before they got captured by Babylon

[02:02:27] like right before they fell that Babylon right so like that story about him was there and Baruch

[02:02:33] definitely was in the story before that yes I hear you and I don't disagree with you I just am

[02:02:40] going to point out though that all this shit is out of order right and it would have been possible

[02:02:46] that he was granted a name blessed to replace his previous position title of king servant guy okay

[02:02:55] all right I'm just I'm just saying it is a possibility sure okay um according to one story though

[02:03:02] because Baruch's piety might have prevented the destruction of the temple God commanded Baruch

[02:03:09] to leave Jerusalem before the catastrophe so as to remove Baruch's protective presence

[02:03:17] oh yeah okay according to this account was so important honestly well he had so much piety it

[02:03:23] was such a goody goody I see okay even better than Jeremiah right I didn't know that right no I

[02:03:30] mean it didn't make that clear in the Bible no no this is just again this is another story of

[02:03:34] stories yeah according to this account Baruch then saw from Abraham's oak at hebraan the temple

[02:03:43] set on fire by angels who previously had hidden the sacred vessels I see hmm right so it was

[02:03:51] angels that burned down the temple okay I don't know yeah you know whatever I feel like maybe

[02:03:59] was if that's the story I think you might have been on drugs so sure just saying probably

[02:04:05] so there's this group of rabbinic sages whose views are recorded in the Mishnah from approximately

[02:04:13] 10 to 220 current era CE okay they are called the 10 name okay name 10 they

[02:04:22] am all right okay and they were very divided on the question of whether Baruch should be classified

[02:04:28] among the prophets oh Baruch yeah okay because like was he a prophet no but he was very important

[02:04:37] important and good yeah and I mean like I know we're not at the New Testament yet but like

[02:04:44] Mary gets classified with them and she wasn't doing any prophets right you know she didn't do

[02:04:50] prophet shit sure she just merely carried the Christ child in her body right but so I'm just saying

[02:04:56] like there are examples of people not being prophets who get prophet status got it so why should he be

[02:05:05] different so according to one of these guys the 10 name Baruch complained because the gift of

[02:05:12] prophecy had not been given to him remember we talked about that yeah and Baruch therefore found

[02:05:17] consolation in the fact that when Israel was exiled a Babylon there was no longer occasion for

[02:05:24] prophecy okay so he's like good if I can be a prophet nobody can that's like the people that are

[02:05:32] like I had to pay for college and be in debt for thousands of years and millions of dollars everybody

[02:05:37] should everybody else has to as well right okay so there's a different one of those 10 name guys okay

[02:05:44] those sage guys and they that guy as well as the Talmud they do include Baruch among the prophets

[02:05:54] and state that he prophesied in the period following the destruction oh so there is

[02:06:02] not agreement as to whether or not he's classified as a prophet got it okay interesting interesting

[02:06:08] it was in Babylonia also that Ezra studied the Torah with Baruch oh yeah like I didn't realize

[02:06:16] that those tours overlapped yeah I didn't either like this going back and forth in time is really

[02:06:22] confusing when you're trying to line up wait you said somebody his contemporaries who were his

[02:06:28] contemporaries because I don't hold your number things in my brain right so I'm like oh he was

[02:06:35] there with Ezra okay yeah and they they was doing their study in together okay all right yeah

[02:06:42] and he did not think of returning to Judea during his teacher's lifetime since he considered

[02:06:48] the study of the Torah more important than the rebuilding of the temple and thus Baruch could not

[02:06:56] join the returning exiles by reason of his age okay yeah so that was some Jewish legends okay got

[02:07:05] it some Christian legends especially from Syria and Arabia oh my god you're gonna love this

[02:07:12] okay identify Baruch with zero aster aka zero thrustra okay you know that guy's our

[02:07:22] a thrustra like there's that philosophy book thus fake zero thrustra okay vaguely rings a bell I

[02:07:31] thought that was the one that you made me read no oh okay what anyway you made me read some

[02:07:39] philosophy book and the it the do's name said Martha oh said Martha never mind oh shit okay like

[02:07:47] way yeah totally different yeah okay sorry I had my letters confused yeah like Z and S they kind

[02:07:54] of make similar sounds and so like that's how I store names sometimes yeah okay so yeah I

[02:08:00] fucked that up but anyway so Baruch was sometimes identified with zero thrustra a religious

[02:08:09] reformer and the spiritual founder of zero astrianism okay so let's talk about that a little bit

[02:08:16] sure because what the fuck is that about yeah yeah yeah in about 1000 BCE he founded the first

[02:08:24] documented monotheistic religion in the world oh and also had an impact on Plato Pythagoras and

[02:08:34] the Abrahamic religions including Judaism Christianity and Islam interesting yeah that's my that

[02:08:41] maybe is where I've heard this before like as a precursor to you know God essentially yeah yeah

[02:08:49] zero astrians believe that he was a prophet who transmitted God's messages and founded a religious

[02:08:57] movement that challenged the existing traditions of ancient Iranian religion okay okay so it's

[02:09:06] it's a common belief but only in one small area sure so like if you're in that circle it's super

[02:09:13] common you go out of that circle and not so much right right but still yeah these Christian legends give

[02:09:20] much information concerning Baruch okay okay so listen to this how remind me again how does Baruch

[02:09:26] relate to the zero whatever he might be that guy oh yeah okay okay yeah they're saying they're

[02:09:33] saying this was founded a thousand years BCE how does that even come close to Baruch okay

[02:09:39] okay what what the fuck do I know all right all right I'm just telling you what the story says yeah okay okay

[02:09:46] so angry because the gift of prophecy had been denied him I mean we talk about that over and

[02:09:51] over and over again yeah he was so salty yeah and on account of the destruction of Jerusalem and

[02:09:56] the temple he left Israel to found the religion of zero aster okay okay the prophecy of the virgin

[02:10:04] birth of Jesus and the story of the adoration of the magi is also ascribed to Baruch Zoroastor

[02:10:13] really I mean I know that those stories predated Christianity yeah so it's not hard to believe

[02:10:20] that somebody was out there yeah singing that song it's interesting that maybe this guy is the

[02:10:26] the original he's the OG yeah yeah that's funny yeah it is difficult to explain the origin

[02:10:32] of this curious identification of a prophet with a magician such as Zoroaster was held to be

[02:10:39] okay among the Jews Christians and Arabs like how did that happen yeah nobody knows right okay so

[02:10:47] one thought is that in Arabic the name of the prophet Jeremiah is almost identical with that of

[02:10:55] the city of your Maya where it is said Zoroaster lived okay so I don't I'm like I think you're

[02:11:04] stretching but okay right right in some stories Zoroaster was believed to be a descendant of ham really

[02:11:13] yeah interesting right yeah and according to Genesis chapter 10

[02:11:19] Kush the Ethiopian is a son of ham according to this tale the Persians believed that Zoroaster

[02:11:27] have been taken into heaven in a chariot and according to the Jewish legend the above mentioned Ethiopian

[02:11:35] was transported alive into paradise and occurrence that like the translation of Elijah yeah

[02:11:42] must have taken place by means of a vehiculum vehiculum huh which I had to look that up it

[02:11:49] yeah is some physical transfer transportation got it where the word vehicle comes got so that's

[02:11:54] why like there was was it Samuel or one no Elijah oh it was a lie okay yeah he went to have

[02:12:01] an image in the chariot yeah um they call that translation god he was translated into but there

[02:12:07] has to be a vehicle essential to get them there somehow yes so that's why they're in a chariot exactly

[02:12:13] okay got the Catholic Church considers Baruch a saint wow and his official feast days are

[02:12:21] September 28th and November 15th got it and that is a whole different bag of worms we're going to

[02:12:29] put a pin in that yeah but we mentioned way back like a couple years ago that we wanted to do maybe

[02:12:36] an episode on like saints saint hood saint feast days like I feel like maybe like when we're done

[02:12:42] with the Bible we should like go you know ham on the saints and stuff like that yeah yeah because

[02:12:51] like I that's something that I've always been curious about same and I would like to know more about

[02:12:55] them so like I feel like at some point we had to do a series yeah on you know Catholic saints

[02:13:01] yeah yeah the big ins yeah yeah well apparently the big ones I'm interested in small ones even

[02:13:06] because sometimes you get some really weird interesting stories out of some of the stuff you know

[02:13:11] it's true apparently Baruch is one of them okay yeah so I still have more story to go okay yeah

[02:13:18] so the location of the tomb of Baruch is unknown legends place it a mile away from Ezekiel's tomb

[02:13:27] near the town of Meshad Ali however there is no record of it actually existing okay

[02:13:34] rabbinic sources reported that a strange plant the leaves of which are sprinkled with

[02:13:40] gold dust grows on the site of his grave wow yeah and other legends don't know where it is but we

[02:13:47] know that there's a strange plant with gold on it yeah yeah other legends suggest that the tomb

[02:13:56] is sent to a Bemmeraculous as well oh oh damn it's like he's like Jesus huh yeah it was supposedly

[02:14:02] a place for Jewish pilgrimage really interesting doesn't that sound fun let's go on a trip this guy's

[02:14:10] kind of a big deal right he's a big deal and that his name is like sprinkled through various

[02:14:18] legends yeah so it's like he almost made it he was almost famous right yeah he's like the guy who

[02:14:25] was like he wrote a really good blog and if he had kept at it like everybody made it some day

[02:14:33] everybody knew about his blog but like nobody knew about his blog except for other bloggers right

[02:14:41] right yeah so he was big in his circle sure yeah so okay anyway there is actually a tomb within a

[02:14:50] mosque in al-Khulqqifil a town in southeastern Iraq only you Freedi's river that is dedicated to

[02:15:00] Baruch really yeah and corresponding with the earlier legend it is located near to the

[02:15:06] supposed tomb of Ezekiel which is also in the same building interesting yeah interesting huh so

[02:15:13] okay we have more this I was just like oh give me more give me more okay so the book of Baruch is a

[02:15:22] Deuterro canonical book of the Bible wait there's a book of Baruch there's a book of fucking Baruch

[02:15:29] you gotta be kidding there's eight fucking books of Baruch what right yeah like hello I'm sorry what

[02:15:37] but they're they're considered Deuterro canonical okay meaning whoever wrote you know Deuteronami on

[02:15:44] forward yeah like it belongs to that canon okay and it's used in many

[02:15:51] um cath or I'm sorry Christian traditions such as Catholic and Orthodox churches huh so the

[02:15:57] first and the second one particularly like yeah there's the first and second books of Baruch

[02:16:03] what really yeah what didn't you know that no yeah me neither right like what's a fucking Baruch

[02:16:10] I'll tell you yeah he's a thing he's a guy right yeah he's taking on a lot more importance than

[02:16:16] I thought he was right deserved or had he's got mad swag apparently he's got Riz in Judaism

[02:16:24] and Protestant Christianity it is considered not to be part of the canon okay yeah so we're like

[02:16:31] get that shit out of you that's like we're like we're like we're kind of surprised yeah and the

[02:16:36] Protestant Bibles categorize it as a part of the biblical apocrypha okay you know they're like

[02:16:42] that's not real it doesn't get stapled in with these that are also not real but we like that

[02:16:48] what's that whole thing just really just blows me away so sort of like I don't like how how is what

[02:16:54] ended up in the Bible more real and more like God given or what the fuck ever then whatever

[02:17:01] Baruch said which backed up Jeremiah I think we reached a certain point in Bible history like the

[02:17:09] history of the Bible where these certain religions had their set pieces that they were reading

[02:17:14] and they're like this is all there is well we know that that happened with the printing press right

[02:17:19] once they became common it's like oh this is solid now it's set in stone yeah yeah and I even made

[02:17:25] the comment that it's funny like when things actually were set in stone back in the day right they

[02:17:31] were less they could yeah they could change it willy nilly anytime but it's on paper and ink

[02:17:38] and we can type some shit up whatever but no it is set in stone sure like that I just find

[02:17:44] that ironic yeah okay so the book of Baruch is named after Baruch Ben Nareya the prophet Jeremiah's

[02:17:52] scribe okay just to remind you who we're talking about who has been presumed to be the author

[02:18:00] of the whole work okay okay the book is a reflection of a late Jewish writer on the circumstances

[02:18:07] of Jewish exiles from Babylon with meditations on the theology and history of Israel discussions

[02:18:14] of wisdom and a direct address to residents of Jerusalem and their diaspora diaspora diaspora that's

[02:18:23] what I mean yeah it's one of those words that I know it from reading and I that's the first time

[02:18:28] I ever said it out loud you know like restype what recipe yeah um in fifth grade I had never said

[02:18:37] that word out loud yeah I knew it I knew what it was I knew what it meant right and I said restype

[02:18:42] and oh my god the class oh they were so they were mean they laughed at me right they were all

[02:18:48] gonna laugh at me and they did yeah and that's not fair because I'm a solid reader I know so many

[02:18:56] I know all the best words you know but if you don't hear them pronounced you don't know

[02:19:02] it's true okay true so don't just try to your mom didn't use a lot of recipes when you're growing up

[02:19:08] I mean it's okay my brain also has this thing where it doesn't connect things like she probably

[02:19:15] said recipe a hundred thousand times but I never connected her verbal use of the word to the

[02:19:21] written down yeah so no okay all right that's why I'm such a fan of audiobooks and podcasts because

[02:19:30] I'm able to hear how words and terms and phrases are actually supposed to be used right yeah okay

[02:19:38] that's way off topic so some scholars propose that the book of Baruch was written during or shortly

[02:19:45] after the period of the Macabees okay what the fuck are the Macabees right what yeah let's talk

[02:19:51] about some Macabees a little bit here okay so the Macabees were a group of Jewish rebel warriors who

[02:19:58] took control of Judea which at the time was part of the Salay Salayasad empire okay they

[02:20:07] founded the Hasmonian dynasty which ruled from 167 to 37 BCE so the Macabees happened like

[02:20:18] right after the Babylonian exile wait wait wait wait you said 167 to 37 BCE the Babylonian exile

[02:20:29] happened in 587 BCE I thought that was three something no no but a lot of this stuff was happening

[02:20:35] in 300 something okay but Baruch wouldn't have been anywhere near a lot but we're talking now

[02:20:41] about the Macabees okay and so the Macabees founded this dynasty okay yeah they reasserted

[02:20:49] the Jewish religion expanded the boundaries of Judea by conquest and reduced the influence

[02:20:56] of Hellenism and Hellenistic Judaism and I don't know if you're aware but Hellenism is Greek influence

[02:21:03] right no yeah you I'm sure you knew that but there may be somebody out there who did yeah so that's

[02:21:08] what Hellen means right and the book is Greek stuff okay so the Macabees story is preserved in

[02:21:16] the books of the first and second Macabees okay which describe in detail the re-dedication

[02:21:23] of the temple in Jerusalem and the lighting of the menorah okay so it's odd that it's not in our

[02:21:31] Bible because it's pretty fucking important which I thought it was because I had been looking at

[02:21:37] a Catholic I was like I didn't think I would have been like I didn't want to argue with you

[02:21:41] no I would have been my life on it because I had seen it in a separate Bible that I reference

[02:21:47] sometimes but it's got more Jewish and and some Catholic stuff in it right yeah so the Macabees are

[02:21:54] all up in that yeah so okay so um these books were not part of the Tanakh the Hebrew Bible

[02:22:01] okay which came from the Jewish canon however they were part of the Septuagint

[02:22:07] that Greek stuff okay which is funny because like the Macabees were trying to get rid of Greek stuff

[02:22:14] right you know right so it's interesting yeah but the Septuagint was written by that Greek pharaoh

[02:22:21] which that would have been Egypt not necessarily Greek mm-hmm so the influences would have been

[02:22:25] different influences that's true that's true both books are included in the Old Testament used

[02:22:31] by the Catholic and Orthodox churches okay since those churches consider the books

[02:22:37] deuterochonical okay so they count yeah okay they are not included in the Old Testament books

[02:22:44] in most Protestant Bibles since most Protestants consider the books apocryphal

[02:22:49] yeah there are eight various books of the Macabees so not Baruch I'm sorry I had Baruch

[02:22:58] mixed up with the Macabees okay so there's only the one book of book I'm a little confused right

[02:23:03] now remember before when I said there was eight books yeah yeah there's only one but like Macabees is

[02:23:08] we're jumping ahead hundreds of years ago right yeah but I don't know why we're just talking about

[02:23:14] the Macabees before we were saying that Baruch wrote eight books and now you're saying it's the

[02:23:19] Macabees that were written who know it's all just so confusing and interesting okay so there are

[02:23:26] eight various books of Macabees some written in Hebrew others in Greek okay the books cover a wide

[02:23:34] array of genres such as history philosophy in praise of reason and poetry and speeches okay I'm

[02:23:43] I have to stop you here because I'm really confused as to what is going on okay like we were talking

[02:23:49] about Baruch and now we jump to something completely different it feels like okay so no idea how

[02:23:54] we got here okay so let me go back up where I first mentioned the Macabees okay so some scholars

[02:24:03] propose that the book of Baruch was written during or shortly after the period of the Macabees

[02:24:10] so there are books of Baruch no okay some scholars propose that the book of Baruch

[02:24:19] uh-huh which is you know not canon right that it was written during or shortly after the period of

[02:24:27] the Macabees right but that says there's a book of Baruch I'm okay really I'm struggling here I'm sorry

[02:24:35] okay so this probably happened after Baruch died okay so Baruch he's all sad because his buddy Jeremiah

[02:24:43] just got stoned and so he takes Jeremiah's body back to Babylon and Berizum and they disappear into

[02:24:49] history yeah okay then later on the Macabees happen sure okay and then they write this book of Baruch

[02:24:58] okay so Baruch didn't write any of this shit probably not differently earlier so like I'm just

[02:25:03] trying to cut it apart oh my gosh there you are really confusing me okay he did not write the Macabees

[02:25:12] okay I understand that but we're talking about the book of Baruch right now you just told

[02:25:17] whether it's not a book of Baruch there is a book of Baruch earlier you told me he wrote it

[02:25:23] because there are some people who believe he wrote it i'm telling you all the different stories

[02:25:29] my brain's not working currently apparently i don't know what's going on okay listen okay

[02:25:35] so Baruch is going around writing down Jeremiah's words yeah yeah and then they get kidnapped

[02:25:40] into Egypt sure and then Jeremiah gets stoned right and then Baruch probably takes Jeremiah's

[02:25:47] body back to Babylon right okay Baruch may or may not have written a book if he did he wrote a book

[02:25:54] and it's called the book of Baruch okay yeah the end right okay but he may not have written it

[02:26:01] okay and then he and Jeremiah they're in Babylon they disappear into history and then a few hundred

[02:26:07] years later the Macabee period comes around and some of them guys write the book of Baruch okay okay

[02:26:16] okay and the reason that we're talking about the Macabees is because what the fuck is a Macabee and

[02:26:21] why are they writing a book of Baruch right right okay so that's where you know there's eight

[02:26:27] different ones of them and they were like trying to um get rid of Hellenism at the same time that

[02:26:36] you know they're like excited about Greek stuff like Greek um philosophy and Greek logic and reason

[02:26:44] and stuff so it's just they're a really weird group okay don't really understand the Macabee people

[02:26:50] sure okay so these books are not the Macabee books mm-hmm there's eight of them they are not part

[02:26:58] of the Tanakh the Hebrew Bible right which came from the Jewish canon however they were part of the

[02:27:04] Septuagent the Greek translation right right okay both books are included in the old testament

[02:27:12] Macabees one and two for the Catholics and for the yeah and for the orthodox churches okay but

[02:27:20] they're not included in the old testament books and most Protestant Bibles because they're

[02:27:25] apocryphal right okay now we're caught up to where so may I read sure okay my notes okay

[02:27:33] there are eight various books of the Macabees okay okay some were written in Hebrew and others were

[02:27:40] written in Greek all right the books cover a wide array of genres such as do you remember

[02:27:47] because I already said this part okay history philosophy in the praise of reason poetry and speeches

[02:27:55] got it okay okay so now we're going we're leaving the Macabees and we're talking about

[02:28:01] the book of Baruch okay whoever wrote it got it okay it is sometimes referred to as first Baruch

[02:28:10] to distinguish it from second Baruch third Baruch and fourth Baruch okay okay um

[02:28:20] you have got me really fucked up here because like I asked you if there was a book of Baruch here

[02:28:26] I guess there's eight books of Baruch and then there were like a book of Baruch because I got

[02:28:31] confused that I got the eight number from the Macabees okay eat Macabee books there's four Baruch

[02:28:37] books okay but not just one there's four yeah and possibly Baruch wrote all four but possibly he

[02:28:44] didn't I'm gonna guess he did it okay that's my guess okay yeah so anyway the earliest known

[02:28:52] manuscripts of these Baruch books were written in Greek okay but although they are not in the Hebrew

[02:29:00] Bible the book of Baruch is found in the Septoagent as well as in the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible okay

[02:29:08] Ethiopia just keeps coming up in this you know it's so interesting to me okay in 80 book Protestant

[02:29:16] Bibles like the one that we're reading and what in 80 80 book like there's 80 books okay oh

[02:29:23] in the Bible yeah yeah um the book of Baruch is a part of the biblical apocrypha

[02:29:31] apocrypha means no no got it okay yeah it's it's a no no right not good yeah okay Jerome you

[02:29:39] know who Jerome is right he's yeah we talked about him Saint Jerome and he's the one who uh translated

[02:29:47] did he do the the Septoagent no he did the Latin the Volgate

[02:29:51] think he did the Volgate okay I don't remember what you did but I think he did the Volgate okay despite his

[02:29:57] yeah see I was right okay despite his misgivings about the Deutero canonical books

[02:30:04] he included Baruch into his Volgate the Latin version and in the Volgate it is grouped with

[02:30:12] the books of the prophets alongside Jeremiah and Lamentations so it's just like right there yeah

[02:30:18] okay all right just dropped it in yeah yeah in the Volgate the King James Bible apocrypha and many other

[02:30:26] versions the letter of Jeremiah what what the letter of Jeremiah I don't know is appended to the book

[02:30:33] of Baruch as a six chapter okay in the Septoagent and Orthodox Bibles chapter six is usually counted

[02:30:42] as a separate book called the letter or a pistol of Jeremiah got it what the fuck okay let's

[02:30:48] read about that a little bit all right okay what is a letter of Jeremiah what is it it is also known

[02:30:55] as the epistle of Jeremiah which you know that makes sense because that is the same word right

[02:31:00] it is a Deutero canonical book of the Old Testament and this letter is attributed to Jeremiah

[02:31:07] and it's addressed to the Jews who were about to be carried away as captives to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar

[02:31:15] okay yeah so it's like right during that that thing that was happening yeah okay it is included in

[02:31:22] Roman Catholic Bibles as the final chapter of do do do the book of Baruch okay yeah it's considered

[02:31:31] Baruch six chapter six okay it is also included in Orthodox Bibles but as a separate book so it's

[02:31:39] not listed as Baruch chapter six it's listed as it's only separate book the letter of Jeremiah yeah

[02:31:47] so the biblical book of Jeremiah does contain the words of a letter sent by you know the book

[02:31:54] of Jeremiah is what we're reading right now yeah it does contain the words of a letter sent by Jeremiah

[02:31:59] from Jerusalem to the captives in Babylon that was in Jeremiah chapter 29 they kind of alluded

[02:32:06] to some communication like that in Jeremiah so exactly okay the letter of Jeremiah portrays it

[02:32:12] itself as a similar piece of correspondence got it so this would this is just supplemental

[02:32:16] essentially yes exactly right most contemporary scholars agree that the author was not Jeremiah though

[02:32:23] because of course right the author may have been a Hellenistic Jew who lived in Alexandria but it is

[02:32:32] difficult to say with certainty and I love a note that can say hmm right the earliest manuscripts

[02:32:39] containing the epistle of Jeremiah are all in Greek okay okay in recent years though the

[02:32:46] tide of opinion has shifted and now the consensus is that the letter in quotes was likely originally

[02:32:55] composed even though the earliest one that we have is in Greek it was probably originally composed

[02:33:01] in Hebrew or Arabic is that a poly just saying that or is that like actual like scholars that's

[02:33:09] scholars saying that okay yeah all right scholars are they're dating it based on words that appear

[02:33:18] like for instance there was one place where Jeremiah referred to in in the letter he referred to

[02:33:28] 70 years instead of seven generations okay and he would have said 70 years okay because I forget

[02:33:36] how they came to that conclusion but there was all this research done into his writing and apparently

[02:33:42] he tried to shy away from saying seven generations because that thought like struck his heart or whatever

[02:33:48] like he fucking hated it got it so the fact that just little things like that like just phrasing

[02:33:55] and translations of words that he used they're like I don't know about this I don't I don't think

[02:34:01] this was originally in Greek right I think what we have is a copy okay yeah translated copy right

[02:34:09] okay so the letter itself is actually a rant against idols and idolatry which that tracks right

[02:34:18] the work was written with a very serious effort to instruct the Jews not to worship the gods of

[02:34:24] the Babylonian but to worship only the Lord right okay I mean that tracks yeah totally like he could have

[02:34:31] written it even if he didn't yeah might as well of right right like I would totally believe you if

[02:34:36] you said he wrote it right so after his rant he goes on this diatribe after that he does this satire

[02:34:44] where he's like talking about the idols and he's like blah they're so stupid or whatever yeah

[02:34:50] and then he like brings it back okay okay and so the author warned the Hebrew exiles that during

[02:34:57] their exile they would see the worship paid to idols and the author begged the people not to

[02:35:03] participate because the idols were created by men without the powers of speech hearing or self

[02:35:09] preservation okay okay so that was a lot of fucking information didn't answer all of our

[02:35:19] questions but it answered a lot of them created some new ones for me yes I'm sorry I feel like

[02:35:25] I contributed to you not following but I also am gonna go out on a lemon say but you were not

[02:35:30] following all right some of it was me but some of it was you okay all right so the question that we

[02:35:38] originally had where what happened to Jeremiah and Baruch which we told some stories right right

[02:35:44] are there other legend stories or traditions about them yes yes there are right and we discussed

[02:35:49] them did Baruch go on with the remnant in Egypt yes but then no got it right yeah or did he go back

[02:35:58] to Babylon no and then yes okay right yeah and how did Baruch put together Jeremiah's story nobody

[02:36:07] knows right any more than we know any of the other ones yeah and at what point did it become official

[02:36:12] OT material that is probably gonna be like one of those counsel of NYC uh things where right you know

[02:36:19] those guys at their big conference table and that'll be a special for another day sure because I

[02:36:25] don't know a lot about that right okay all right so that was our Q&A for today that was our

[02:36:32] A&Q answer yeah all right um so that'll that'll do us for today I guess and then um let's see we're

[02:36:42] gonna be back tomorrow with our sacrilegious blue club right and then I will get the weekly wrap-up

[02:36:50] out and then we'll be back on Monday with uh Jeremiah chapter 46 and I just want to add real quick

[02:36:57] yeah um you guys you should really come to the book club tomorrow and listen because it actually

[02:37:05] um covers a lot of the time period that we're in huh and relates okay like I was pretty excited

[02:37:13] about it so I think you'll like it okay sounds good we'll see you guys then bye

[02:37:19] we

[02:37:24] have fun wife do you know what we're doing today right now well it is Sunday which means that

[02:37:31] we're probably doing sacrilegious blue club that's the one Jesus oh my god that was so enthusiastic

[02:37:39] it was like some pin-up sacrilegious book clubbing and what it was it was been a minute yeah so uh

[02:37:44] what are we uh book clubbing today so we're still in this big old book called a treasury of Jewish

[02:37:52] folklore stories traditions legends humor wisdom and folk songs of the Jewish people edited by

[02:37:58] Nathan Ozubel yeah and oh we're in um I forget what part it is but it's over halfway through the book

[02:38:06] it sure is we're doing some folk tales folk tales on page 565 you you gave a lead in to the last

[02:38:13] and the last episode that we did that there's might be somewhat relevant to the time period that we're

[02:38:17] in talking about maybe um relevant to the thing that we just read on uh yesterday okay with

[02:38:25] regard to the macabees okay that you found so confusing yeah I did I did just for the record I

[02:38:32] relistened to our episode today and I still was confused oh my god okay the same well okay well

[02:38:38] then maybe you'll hate this who knows I would not I'm we'll see we'll see all right so are you ready to

[02:38:43] do this yes I am all right let's do it okay okay

[02:38:56] all right so I did a quick peek and um remember when I said oh shit I don't remember what part

[02:39:02] we're in yeah yeah so we are in part four tales and legends and then of that we are in chapter

[02:39:11] for folk tales okay okay yeah and we're just covering the first half of this chapter

[02:39:19] because it's about Alexander the great okay which is interesting yeah okay all right all right

[02:39:27] so anyway like I said page five sixty five and I'm just going to start with the introduction here

[02:39:33] and then go into some notes that I have okay sure so the narrative art of Jewish folklore has the

[02:39:39] liveliness and color of all eastern storytelling Jewish Hindu and Arabic tales alike they use all

[02:39:48] the technical devices of suspense and the surprise ending with much skill and yet there is a

[02:39:54] subtle difference that marks off Jewish tales and legends from the other okay they are more subrible

[02:40:01] turned inward as it were entirelylessly pointing a moral for the guidance of men okay so their stories

[02:40:07] are more moral driven they say that they say that I mean I don't know how much stock put into that

[02:40:14] based on what we've read that's not always the case well I'm just saying like you know obviously this

[02:40:20] leaning towards the Jewish take on this right I mean to say that the other religions don't have a moral

[02:40:26] take is maybe being a little disingenuous possibly and I see we don't know the other side so just

[02:40:34] saying we don't know I don't know their followers right exactly then that's what I'm saying we can't

[02:40:38] speak that's true where we're giving an opinion based on this book that is true that is true

[02:40:44] that's all I wanted to say this is the character of the didactic tales about Alexander Muck Dune

[02:40:52] or Alexander the Macedonian okay who is Alexander the great fucking great got it okay yeah

[02:41:00] so here's where I'm gonna deviate from the intro and go into my notes which include some

[02:41:06] information from the intro but also a little bit more about Alexander the great and the time

[02:41:13] period to kind of tie it in better with what we were reading yesterday okay yeah so it is

[02:41:19] surprising that a the g that's how I what Alexander the great oh that's how I abbreviated him in

[02:41:28] my notes the the g yeah it's surprising that Alexander the great looms so large and favorably

[02:41:34] in Jewish folklore because he had very little contact with the Jewish people except for that

[02:41:40] one time that one time that he marched through Palestine in 332 BCE okay so yeah he did that got

[02:41:48] it was he just passing through he was just passing through on his way to conquer the world you know

[02:41:52] yeah took it down whatever yeah right until the age of 16 Alexander was tutored by Aristotle really

[02:42:01] right so so crazy like all the different people and things that like tie in tie in together

[02:42:08] and they go together right right I have such a hard time when I'm studying like in school you only

[02:42:15] study one culture at a time yeah and then you never come back to it when you study a different

[02:42:23] culture the next semester right and the teacher and the history books like they never put those things

[02:42:29] side by side and tell you these things were happening in different parts of the world at the same time

[02:42:36] sure and that that is why I've always hated history because I could never understand they don't tie it

[02:42:42] together yeah right and I'm a person that I need all those loose ends tied together now one of my favorite

[02:42:47] podcasts that is sadly no longer I don't think they make new episodes anymore as much or at least

[02:42:53] that like I think they release things from other people or something like that but it's not the

[02:42:57] exact thing that I liked but NPR had a podcast called Thru line and I loved that podcast because

[02:43:05] they would talk about a current issue through the lens of all of history essentially like they

[02:43:10] would they would tell you about that incident that thing yeah starting from where it all originated

[02:43:17] from through current day I really like that one too yeah it was such a great podcast it was

[02:43:22] really good I liked it too so this upbringing being tutored by Aristotle and his education contributed

[02:43:29] to his popularity because Hellenism and other Greek culture things yeah had been infiltrating

[02:43:37] steadily into Jewish life since the pre-Maka be in era which I mean that makes sense because

[02:43:44] that's what we're talking about yesterday the confusion with the Greek culture versus the Jewish

[02:43:50] culture right you know yeah and yay they're getting rid of the Greek culture but also oh no

[02:43:56] we're getting rid of the Greek culture yeah like they couldn't decide what they wanted sure

[02:44:01] sure and so that was happening in Judea and Syria but particularly into Egypt were great Jewish

[02:44:08] population of more than one million wow yeah had developed a significant Greco Jewish culture

[02:44:17] by the second century BCE especially interesting considering God was going to kill them all right yeah

[02:44:23] they didn't run away back to Judea exactly yeah yeah he was gonna wipe him all out and instead

[02:44:28] they published in Egypt right crazy how that worked yeah thus Greek legends about Alexander the

[02:44:35] great found an eager audience among Hellenized Jews okay yeah I just I love when there was

[02:44:42] that Greek Pharaoh too or members like I wonder if that helped you know solidify some of those ideas

[02:44:47] too oh definitely yeah so in 335 BCE shortly after his assumption of kingship over Macedon

[02:44:57] Alexander the great campaign I can't say just Alexander right now the great the great is his

[02:45:04] last name right you know yeah he campaigned in the Balkans and he marched all over the damn place

[02:45:10] right okay gaining control of some countries and then destroying others okay so if he couldn't

[02:45:18] like make them bend to his will he just like yeah basically bombed him you know whatever right

[02:45:23] so in 334 BCE he invaded the Persian Empire oh yeah and he began a series of campaigns that lasted

[02:45:32] for 10 years wow yeah following his conquest in Asia Minor right sorry yeah Alexander the great

[02:45:43] broke the power of Persia in a series of decisive battles I mean he was kicking some ass

[02:45:49] pretty great he was pretty great I mean for you know that's what I hear military person yeah yeah

[02:45:54] so after the fall of Persia the Macedonian Empire held a vast swath of territory between the

[02:46:00] Adriatic Sea and the Indus River okay you know it is funny to me though that we know him as

[02:46:06] Alexander the great and he apparently was very well thought of by Israelites which kind of translates

[02:46:12] into Western culture yes so like that idea that he was great from them is maybe why we think of him

[02:46:19] as but like if you're Persian if you're from that part of the world or Asia Minor he was maybe he

[02:46:24] maybe wasn't so great yeah exactly right he wanted to reach the quote ends of the world

[02:46:31] in the great outer sea okay okay so he invaded India in 326 BC it is way around the world oh he did

[02:46:39] he did he achieved there a very important victory okay yeah so yeah he was sticking his dick everywhere

[02:46:46] yeah right due to the demand of his homesick troops he eventually turned back and later on

[02:46:53] died in 323 BCE okay in Babylon the city of Mesopotamia that he had planned to establish as his

[02:47:01] empires capital okay which I just I thought that was interesting yeah right like we're literally in

[02:47:08] the place right that we've been reading about yeah okay Alexander's death left a series of military

[02:47:15] and mercantile campaigns unfinished like he had all these great plans that sure just kind of fell

[02:47:22] through when he died right these would have begun with a Greek invasion of Arabia wow yeah in the

[02:47:28] years following his death a series of civil wars broke out across the Macedonia and empire eventually

[02:47:35] leading to its disintegration huh so he was the only thing holding it together right then when he

[02:47:41] died and all his plans crumbled yeah so he was like a great leader but didn't apparently have great

[02:47:50] leadership right to bring up somebody to follow him up yeah yeah so his personality appealed

[02:47:57] to the Jewish community for multiple reasons which I have listed here okay one he treated his

[02:48:04] conquered people more humanely and with more tolerance than other world conquerors okay yeah

[02:48:10] so that's kind of cool right like as long as they bent yeah right in charge yeah then he was like

[02:48:15] all right cool go about your business do your thing sure number two he allowed Jewish life to

[02:48:21] continue undisturbed as long as they just let him have world domination like literally I mean you

[02:48:30] know fair enough right right look how many times have the Israelites been in war have been conquered

[02:48:37] and have conquered others but like fighting all the time right somebody comes along they're like

[02:48:42] hey you're good I just want to claim this land yeah I just need to write your name here for

[02:48:47] tax purposes and then they're like but we can do everything we were doing we're still Jewish right

[02:48:51] right and they're like yeah yeah so I mean they're probably like okay yeah cool yeah go

[02:48:56] I mean I we don't want to fight all this so you know you can say you own us we don't give a

[02:49:01] shit cool with it we're always owned by somebody right okay so number three his military genius was

[02:49:08] astonishing to all like everywhere he went even though they got conquered they'd be like

[02:49:14] but yeah he has a pretty brilliant leader I mean sure what he did to us yeah you know I mean we still

[02:49:19] talk about that today that's like I read in one of my notes that military leaders still to this day

[02:49:28] study his brilliant campaigns right because he was just such a smart genius yeah like I'm sorry

[02:49:40] I'm fumbling for words because how many different ways can you say brilliant and smart and genius

[02:49:44] right right but that's what he was sure okay number four he was a philosopher of the highest pedigree

[02:49:50] as the Jews had great reverence for Aristotle so they respected that about him okay they're like

[02:49:56] cool cool cool we like that philosophy shit right right which is funny because they were also like

[02:50:01] but philosophy and Greek stuff to we don't like that but we do though but there might have been

[02:50:06] different groups too because like I mean I don't know like I don't know it's so weird because

[02:50:14] they were like some of them were for it and some of them were against it and it depended on the political

[02:50:20] reason why and which group of them and which country they were in at the moment sure and but like

[02:50:25] let's take the United States right like if somebody were to write a history about this time period

[02:50:29] later on and say well the the US had taken a large swing to the Christian nationalist side of things

[02:50:35] and that's how the world started like that's how they started acting because the government was

[02:50:39] controlled by that and the Supreme Court and everybody started you know a blah blah blah blah blah

[02:50:44] right but that doesn't mean that we're a monolith that's true fact you know most of us don't agree with

[02:50:49] that right but our government acts as though that's not the case right exactly all right number five

[02:50:56] his intellect was admired almost as greatly perhaps as Solomon's wow yeah so they they didn't

[02:51:04] make that come so might have been the wisest but this dude was like the second wisest yeah like

[02:51:09] they didn't make that comparison themselves but the way that they write about him and admire him

[02:51:15] yeah it's like they all but say it got it okay so Talmud authors found in Alexander the perfect

[02:51:23] specimen for their moralizing folktales okay because even though he was like a brilliant military

[02:51:29] campaign person and he was really smart and stuff um he wasn't Solomon he wasn't Jewish so they

[02:51:35] could also like paint him as goofy sure and be like oh that Alexander the great got it you know what I

[02:51:42] mean yeah so one satirical question raised in many of the Jewish Alexander stories is this how

[02:51:50] was it possible for a man claiming to be a philosopher to be so lacking in wisdom and virtue as

[02:51:57] the pursue such destructive and senseless ends as wars of conquest I mean you could say the same thing

[02:52:05] about the Israelites at certain points during their you know earlier years yeah so I don't

[02:52:10] that how how indeed maybe looking weird a little bit right so many Alexander stories in the

[02:52:17] Agata and other Jewish literature yeah which there are Alexander the great stories in the Agata

[02:52:24] and then Jewish literature sure that just astounds me yeah I don't know why but I that just

[02:52:29] came unexpected to me right um they come straight from Greek tales and legends okay um the three

[02:52:37] that are included in this section that we're going to read today yeah um those three are Jewish

[02:52:43] and origin okay so the other ones were influenced by other stories these ones are strictly

[02:52:49] Jewish and Jewish created okay yeah um the second one is derived from the Talmud the second

[02:52:57] story that we're going to read came from the Talmud and the third one first appeared in the Agata

[02:53:02] okay so now we're going to get into these stories and they're all pretty short okay none of

[02:53:09] them are too brilliant I just thought that that makes for a natural breaking point in the chapter

[02:53:15] yeah to talk about Alexander the great and then read those three stories and then we'll do the

[02:53:20] other ones next book club okay that are not Alexander related sure sure okay so we start with

[02:53:26] the great are also little on page 566 okay this one when I read it sounded kind of familiar so I've

[02:53:34] either heard this specific story or one inspired by it got it okay um this is page 566 the great

[02:53:41] are also little no matter how much he achieved in the world Alexander still remained dissatisfied

[02:53:49] I would like to experience something most unusual that no human being before me has ever experienced

[02:53:55] T cried so he ordered his hunters hunters to capture a number of eagles nobody ever captured eagles

[02:54:02] like that before just kidding he chose the largest among them and sat himself astride it you couldn't

[02:54:09] be very big if you could sit even on a large eagle is my opinion right um you can't be a very

[02:54:16] large person I think people were a little bit smaller back then they were shorter so like Lincoln

[02:54:22] is supposed to be like super tall but then if you like actually look at his measurements I think he

[02:54:26] was on like 510 right yeah some shit like that well if you ever walked into like old houses from like

[02:54:32] the yeah yeah like the doorways are so much lower yeah interesting yeah it's almost like evolution

[02:54:39] or something you know it's almost like that right interesting interesting yeah so maybe they could

[02:54:44] fit on eagles back then maybe okay so he sat on this fucking eagle he chose the largest among them

[02:54:50] and sat himself astride on it then he speared a piece of flesh onto his lance and raised it high

[02:54:58] as soon as the eagle smelled the flesh it rose up in the air straining to reach it purposely

[02:55:03] Alexander held the flesh out of reach of the eagle who rose ever higher and higher into the air

[02:55:10] Alexander the great rota fucking eagle he wrote a fucking eagle into the sky yeah cold bullshit but okay

[02:55:16] I mean it's not a bad way to write a eagle if you're gonna write it even less the way

[02:55:20] it was all possible yeah I mean that's how I'd write a dragon sure you know just dangle some meat

[02:55:24] in front of it yeah right yeah soon the towns and cities began to look like pin points to the king

[02:55:31] Alexander was filled with vain glory who can compare to me now he gloted I am higher than all men

[02:55:39] in my eyes now they look like insects and I'm like you're brilliant and nobody else would ever do that

[02:55:48] right right like now that they've seen you do it though you're not great you were just the first

[02:55:52] one that did that and maybe not the first one but just the first one that we know about I mean let's

[02:55:56] just be clear he didn't do this oh right right right no totally no one you can't write a fucking eagle

[02:56:01] no you can't their bones would not support no no but suddenly fear gripped him he thought if I

[02:56:08] am so high up how can people see me maybe I also look like a fly to them you do perhaps they don't

[02:56:15] see me at all and if I am out of sight how can they do me honor soon they may even forgive me

[02:56:22] like when it said that suddenly fear gripped him I thought it was like if I fall from this right

[02:56:27] I will surely do I know it's because he's gonna be forgotten what if they don't like me anymore

[02:56:32] wait if they're gonna forget you during the course of a flight on an eagle right no you got some

[02:56:36] bigger issues man yeah I'm just like I think that your priorities are confused my guy

[02:56:42] and all his pride burst and his uniqueness seemed as nothing to him now and still the eagle kept

[02:56:49] soaring farther and farther from the earth once more Alexander looked down on the earth now

[02:56:55] seemed to him like a little ball oh whatever okay so he flew that eagle up into space

[02:57:00] right yeah no cast the moon even yeah yeah the king grew frightened and he lowered his

[02:57:06] lance with the flesh on its point straining to reach it the eagle began to set descend over lower

[02:57:13] and lower soon objects became distinct even larger and larger towns trees and people and then

[02:57:20] nearer he came people grew bigger and bigger to his eyes and Alexander rejoiced and derived

[02:57:27] the right moral from it okay what okay you ready for this I'm ready when he reached the ground again

[02:57:32] he ordered a sculptor to fashion a portrait of him holding a small sphere in his hand let people

[02:57:40] know spoke the king that even the mighty Alexander can look as insignificant as this tiny sphere well

[02:57:47] that's that is the good moral but I don't think if they see you holding that what that looks like

[02:57:53] is using I was bigger than the world for a minute right the world was as nothing but a little ball while

[02:57:59] I was high in the sky yeah like I somehow think that or like you know I hold the the world in the palm of

[02:58:06] my hand right yeah I'm like I hear your words but your your picture that you're asking to be painted

[02:58:14] doesn't match right I maybe think you didn't get the right moral right yeah that's just my opinion sure

[02:58:20] okay so the next story begins on the next page 567 and it's called the Lord help with man and beast

[02:58:28] okay and I liked this one okay yeah during his march to conquer the world Alexander the Macedonian

[02:58:36] came to a people in Africa who dwelt in a remote and secluded corner in peaceful huts and knew

[02:58:42] neither war nor conqueror they led him to the hut of their chief who received him hospitably

[02:58:48] and placed before him golden dates golden figs and bread of gold okay do you eat gold in this

[02:58:54] country ask Alexander I take it for granted replied the chief that thou weret able to find

[02:59:02] edible food in thine own country for what reason then art thou come among us your gold is not

[02:59:09] tempted me hither said Alexander but I would become acquainted with your manners and customs

[02:59:15] so be it rejoin the other sojourn among us long as long as it please it thee okay at the close of this

[02:59:23] conversation two citizens entered as to their court of justice the plaintiff said I bought this I bought

[02:59:31] of this man a piece of land and as I was making a deep drain through it I found a treasure this is not

[02:59:39] mine for I only bargained for the land and not for any treasure that might be concealed beneath it

[02:59:44] and yet the former owner of the land will not receive it back the hell the defendant answered

[02:59:50] I hope I have a conscience as well as my fellow citizen I sold him the land with all its contingent

[02:59:57] as well as existing advantages and consequently the treasure inclusively wow this is a very honest

[03:00:04] people right there yeah they're very nice to each other like they're going to court to fight over who

[03:00:10] who gets the gold not me right yeah it reminds me there was this episode of the Simpsons where Lisa and

[03:00:19] Bart were arguing over who loves home or more and at first you're like oh that's cute they're like

[03:00:26] you're thinking that they're going to be like I do I do but then no they're actually saying you do

[03:00:31] you do I'll never forget that that's what this one might mean yeah okay the chief who is at the same

[03:00:40] time their supreme judge recapitulated their words in order that the parties might see whether or not

[03:00:45] he understood them a right then after some reflection he said they'll has the son friend I believe

[03:00:53] yes and thou addressing the other a daughter yes well then let thy son marry thy daughter and bestow

[03:01:02] the treasure on the young couple for a marriage portion which I didn't like the arranged marriage

[03:01:07] bit but given customers back then in the time and yeah and they were like wow yeah that's great

[03:01:14] um Alexander seemed surprised and perplexed you think my sentence unjust the chief asked him

[03:01:21] oh no replied Alexander but it astonishes me and how then rejoined the chief with the case have been

[03:01:28] decided in your country right who to confess the truth said Alexander we should have taken both

[03:01:35] parties into custody and have seized the treasure for the kings use what that's out that's

[03:01:41] that's that's a bit harsh like why you bringing this foolish thing I guess like either y'all split the

[03:01:47] goal well they would have been fighting to keep the gold is a thing yeah and so if they went to

[03:01:51] court over it they would be like solve this problem right right so I mean yeah that tracks yeah

[03:01:57] for the kings use exclaim the chief does the sun shine on your country oh yes does it rain

[03:02:04] there assuredly wonderful but are there tame animals in the country that live on the grass and green

[03:02:11] herbs oh very many and of many kinds I then that must be the cause said the chief for the sake of those

[03:02:20] innocent animals the all gracious being continues to let the sunshine and the rain drop on your

[03:02:27] own country since its inhabitants are unworthy of such blessings I like that one I was like oh damn

[03:02:37] basically he's like your people suck yeah like it's a really that some you know Alexander the great

[03:02:44] being a conquerer and all wouldn't have much appreciated that you know disparaging remark toward him

[03:02:50] um I don't know because the way he's presented in this story in particular like he doesn't say

[03:02:57] he disapproves right he was specifically asked do you disapprove he's like no actually it's fine

[03:03:04] sure like he didn't he and they do refer to him as a philosopher so maybe he was willing to take in new

[03:03:09] ideas yeah I think that he was just like wow that's actually really cool we would never do something

[03:03:15] like that right right I think he kind of admired it sure like that would never fly in my country

[03:03:21] will never be like that and I am gonna you know conquer you right but still cool cool cool good story

[03:03:27] bro right okay last one ready this one is on page 568 and it's called the equisitive i and I did

[03:03:35] kind of like this one as well okay this one's more philosophy driven yeah after he had conquered

[03:03:42] the entire world Alexander started back on his journey home to Macedonia on the way he came to a

[03:03:49] stream he dismounted and taking out some salted fish he carried in his knapsack he began to rinse

[03:03:56] them in the water before eating at this a remarkable thing happened upon touching the water the fish

[03:04:03] became alive I mean that's not entirely surprising right you know that can happen that can't happen

[03:04:10] yeah but in this story it is magic sure okay okay filled with amazement Alexander threw himself

[03:04:17] into the stream and bathed in it now I understand he cried overjoyed that the water in this stream

[03:04:24] flows from paradise wow I will wash my face quickly in it and then I'll follow the stream for

[03:04:29] it sure to lead me to paradise hmm barely had he finished washing his face when his eyes began

[03:04:34] to shine like stars his face became radiant his energies renewed I need to swim in this yeah where's

[03:04:41] this place I don't know but I'm hoping it will help me lose some weight right never before had he felt

[03:04:47] so happy quickly he went up to the gates of paradise but he found them closed hmm open the gates

[03:04:54] he cried out Alexander wants to answer I mean enter right like could you imagine like marching

[03:05:00] up to a gate and saying your name wants to enter I mean he was a conqueror so maybe he just felt

[03:05:06] entitled to go into whatever Trump would say it like referring to himself in the third person all the time

[03:05:12] sure open the gate husband wife wants in right like what right that's not how we talk yeah instantly

[03:05:19] the answer came these are the gates of the eternal only the pious man to hear seeing that the gates

[03:05:27] would not open for him he implored give me some kind of token oh heavenly gates so that I can prove

[03:05:32] that I've been here hmm at this the gates of paradise relented and opened for an instant a human

[03:05:40] eye then rolled towards him amazed Alexander picked it up and placed it in his knapsack then he made

[03:05:47] his way home to Macedonia hmm no sir no no sooner had he reached home when he called all his wise

[03:05:53] men together he told them everything that had happened to him what signifies the strange gift I

[03:06:00] received he asked yeah oh king replied the wise men placed the eye in the scales and weigh it

[03:06:07] what for replied Alexander I can tell you before him that it weighs but little

[03:06:13] I just carried it all the way home right sure just do it just the same the wise men urged

[03:06:19] in the other half of the scales place a gold piece then we will find out which is heavier the wise

[03:06:23] men know a thing okay yeah you can tell they know what's happening okay then we will find out

[03:06:28] which is heavier Alexander did as they asked to a surprise he found that the eye was heavier than

[03:06:36] the gold piece he threw into the scales another gold coin still the eye was heavier oh man he then

[03:06:43] threw in a whole handful of coins in order that all his gold and silver and jewels be thrown in

[03:06:49] still the eye out weighed the treasure okay even were you to take all your chariots and horses and

[03:06:56] palaces and place them in the scales the eye will still be heavier said the wise men one crazy

[03:07:02] eye right yeah again this is a philosophy story okay okay how do you explain this as the king how

[03:07:10] such a thing possible learn a lesson from this oh king said the wise men know that the human eye

[03:07:16] is never satisfied with what it sees no matter how much treasure you will show it it will want more

[03:07:23] and still more your explanation doesn't satisfy me give me proof insisted Alexander which I think

[03:07:30] is fair like sure that sounds weird like arbitrary like I see that all the jewels are heavier than

[03:07:38] the eye that is some weird mojo going on right right but just what an odd lesson yeah no I agree

[03:07:48] very well agreed the wise men have all your gold and treasure removed from the scales then

[03:07:54] place a pinch of dust in their place and observe what happens barely had Alexander placed a little

[03:08:01] dust in the scales when they tip to the other end oh man for the dust proved heavier than I

[03:08:08] hmm now I understand the meaning of your words and of what was in your minds quite Alexander

[03:08:14] so long as a man is alive his eye is never sated but no sooner does he die when he is as dust

[03:08:22] then his eye loses its impulse and becomes powerless it can no longer desire hmm the end okay yeah so I

[03:08:32] thought that was an interesting lesson yeah no I think what I like from it from the whole set there

[03:08:38] is that Alexander the great seems to be able he seems like a reasonable person yeah if

[03:08:44] if right like he conquered lots of people so I'm guessing he wasn't all that reasonable yeah at

[03:08:50] least but this you have to qualify your statement like it comes with a caveat that given that he was a

[03:08:56] fucking mass murderer I mean to be fair that's not all that uncommon in ancient times that especially

[03:09:05] we've been reading about it all like all through the bible so it's it's almost become a little bit

[03:09:12] numbing how much we read about like just mass murder like you just almost forget that okay wait no

[03:09:19] he was reasonable given that he killed entire populations of people right he was he was

[03:09:25] reasonable to philosophies he was reasonable to intellect and to other cultures ways of doing things

[03:09:31] that allowed for equity and equality right even if he didn't necessarily practice them themselves

[03:09:38] he seemed to respect and admire it at least according to these portrayals yes so I mean I don't want

[03:09:43] to give him any more credit than he's due because I don't really know that much about him other than

[03:09:47] he's great you know according to you know history he is great that's what we hear all the time

[03:09:52] about how great he is it's part of his fucking name yeah sure is I had no idea he was actually

[03:09:57] Alexander or anybody else other than the great much less Macedonia right right right that he wanted

[03:10:04] to make Babylon his fucking base capital city like that's so amazing so you can see why yesterday

[03:10:12] I was like y'all gonna want to stay tuned cuz that history about him just it fit the time period

[03:10:18] kind of got it all right well that was our is that our book club for today that is our book club

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