Daniel Chapter 10: Shiny Men and Heavenly Host Showdowns
Hold on to your hats, folks, because this episode of Sacrilegious Discourse is a wild ride through the surreal and cryptic visions of Daniel Chapter 10! We're diving headfirst into a vision involving shiny men with lightning faces, flaming torch eyes, and a voice like a multitude. Daniel is back with more bizarre and mind-bending encounters that leave us scratching our heads and questioning our sanity.
We kick things off with Daniel mourning for three weeks, abstaining from choice food, meat, and wine, and forgoing lotions. Why? Because he was so disturbed by his previous visions that he needed a serious cleanse. Then, as he stands by the Tigris River, he encounters a man dressed in linen with a body like topaz and eyes like flaming torches. This heavenly messenger brings a message of conflict and spiritual warfare that spans nations and centuries.
As if that wasn't enough, we delve into the cosmic battle between the "prince of Persia" and the angelic forces, including Michael, the chief prince. This chapter sets the stage for a series of apocalyptic visions that will unfold in the remaining chapters. We dissect the cryptic messages, laugh at the absurdity, and try to make sense of the divine drama.
Whether you're here for the theological deep dive or just the laughs, this episode has a bit of everything. Tune in as we dissect Daniel Chapter 10 with our signature blend of skepticism and humor.
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[00:00:00] Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the sovereign Lord says, Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want? If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done
[00:00:12] then you can justify any of your behavior. A lot of this mentality is trickling into what is now mainstream right wing Christianity. I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible. This is a Bible that they tell kids.
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[00:00:42] woody song H. Young. Wife, do you know where the hell we are and how the hell we got here? Well yesterday we read Daniel Chapter 9 and in that chapter there were 70 weeks
[00:01:00] that were 70 years long that were 62 weeks but there were seven more and then there was lots of sevens. And not a lick of alcohol. Jesus. I was so fucking math confused and time
[00:01:15] confused by the time we got done with yesterday's chapter that I don't even know what the fuck which weighs up or anything. What was going on? I don't. I read the summary.
[00:01:26] So I summarized. I try to find a summary of the chapter that we just read every week. So I just summarized my memory and it didn't really occur to me that so I was listening
[00:01:37] to what you were saying yesterday but it didn't occur to me what was actually being said. I don't know why and maybe I just drawn it all like it was all just like blended together.
[00:01:47] I'm not really sure but apparently a week is a year. Yeah, we talked about that. So like the somehow you missed that. Somehow I missed that. The summary that I'm reading says the first seven weeks, 49 years we'll see the rebuilding of Jerusalem in the temple.
[00:02:01] That's after 62 weeks, 434 years. An anointed one will be cut off killed. Okay. And then the final week which is seven years, we you know week year, who fucking cares? We'll see a ruler make a covenant with many but break it halfway through. This ruler would
[00:02:18] desecrate the temple and set up an abomination that causes desolation. The end will come like a flood. There's your timeline apparently. I don't know what the fuck they said weeks for. I don't
[00:02:28] understand any of this. Why are we talking about things in code? Yeah. It makes no fucking sense. I'm in a little angry about this because it's bad. Well, okay look it's bad enough. We have
[00:02:41] to deal with like these visions and prophecies and bullshit with that right? And like iron teeth and horns the grow horns and angels with wheels that have eyeballs. I mean for fuck's sake. This is
[00:02:55] getting insane. But now we can't even decide whether a week or a year or a year or a week or or I don't get it. I'm like, come on give you say a year? Well, I mean we did mention at some point
[00:03:10] in one of the notes that Daniel whoever was using code. Right. And did not want because they didn't want whoever was the leader at the time to be able to understand what they were saying.
[00:03:28] And they couldn't change it after they were done with you know that leader. They couldn't just like say, hey that was code we don't need code anymore. Here's the actual numbers. Okay here's
[00:03:38] okay I'm going to make an analogy ready. Yeah. This is going to be another one of our lengthy intros that makes no fucking sense. All right so when we were kids and even more so when our parents
[00:03:50] were kids, right? They collected comics and toys and whatever and had no problem opening and just tearing it up in whatever right? Had no idea that at some point in the future. The thing they
[00:04:02] worth a goddamn mint. They would right? Well now we know and so now we look for those things and we say, oh why didn't you keep it in the box and oh why couldn't you have you know wrapped this
[00:04:14] comic in plastic? I mean I get that shit out and play with it. Okay no I do too when I said we I meant collectively society. Yeah yeah the Royal Wii. So that's just our generation and the one
[00:04:29] previous. Yeah right. These people at the point that they were living had no fucking clue that every single piece of word that they wrote down was going to be digested and lit by
[00:04:43] people thousands of years later. I get sense of it. I understand that a hundred percent okay but what I'm getting at is that before we solidified the Bible to say we're never changing this shit ever again
[00:04:57] why couldn't we just change things like this to say what it means? Because by the time a group of people sat down to read it and solidify it, it was already so old that they couldn't
[00:05:12] possibly change it just to make it more readable. I mean but we do that all the time with the Bible. Like there are more and more readable versions all the time. Right and I'm a little bit too
[00:05:26] hard core Christians what's the one that they read? The King James right now I give it I get it and just I it just pisses me off that's all. No I know I have no real good reason other than why are we calling
[00:05:39] week's years or years we are we calling year whatever the fuck thing is why is a week a year? I make no sense it made sense to them and I don't know. And I don't really understand why you need code
[00:05:53] to talk about something that you're writing about 400 years later that is fictional like it just seems like you're just trying to muddle the muddy the water. I could answer that for you. I know I know
[00:06:04] I'm going off because I'm it makes me angry that's your ear. Yeah I am. I don't think you had enough coffee. No I'm working on it. All right anyway that was Daniel chapter nine or something like
[00:06:17] yeah maybe it was Daniel chapter seven and seven seven seven yeah I don't know sure stuff was but we're obviously before we say what we're doing today was probably you could guess but
[00:06:33] we're running a little late this week. A day behind. Yeah yeah so we're doing our regular podcast on a Saturday so welcome to our regular Saturday episode and hopefully we will catch back up this week
[00:06:46] and get everything we want to get out. That's always the plan. Yes life anyway so we just finished Daniel chapter nine and today we're getting into Daniel chapter 10. All right let's do this. Okay
[00:06:59] okay. All right we are getting into Dan I L chapter 10. Daniel chapter 10. Yeah fuck that guy. I'm saying um as I have been starting every book let me remind you that or every book every chapter
[00:07:19] to that last time. Yeah the book of Daniel can be divided into two parts one a set of six quart tales chapters one through six written mostly in aromake and two which is four apocalyptic
[00:07:32] visions chapters seven through twelve written mostly in Hebrew and mostly fucked up stories. Yeah yeah and really weird. We are in that second bit four apocalyptic tales for visions. Yeah. So chapter 10 11 and 12 make up Daniel's final vision. Okay which I wondered like it said four visions but
[00:07:56] chapter seven through 12. Yeah I was like how are we doing this? Yeah. It's one vision the last one is spread over chapter 10 11 and 12. Oh so we're going to start the this is the last. Yeah
[00:08:08] this is the last vision yeah okay. All right and it describes a series of conflicts between the unnamed quote King of the North and quote King of the South leading to the quote time of the end
[00:08:24] when Israel will be vindicated and the dead raised. Oh. Some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt. I see. Okay so we're getting close to that heaven and hell shed. Mm hmm
[00:08:37] that you know the Christian. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right so also one more thing chapter 10 is kind of a prologue to the following chapters. Okay okay. So this chapter today kind of
[00:08:53] set up what's up. It sets up and starts the vision. Okay. All right. So let us, oh let us get to the right uh the screen. Yeah. No it's help for sure. Okay yes chapter 10 here we go. Okay. Yeah. In the third
[00:09:08] year of Cyrus King of Persia. Okay. A revelation was given to Daniel who was called Beltoshar. Beltoshar. Beltoshar. Even though even though the Babylonians got conquered by the Persians and so
[00:09:22] these still this part these still this um Babylonian name even though. Well by that point he is known by both names depending on who's referring to him. Okay. So it makes sense that it would be recorded
[00:09:35] don't forget you know whoever's reading this don't forget that he also went by this other name. All right. I suppose that's a level out for it. I mean kids call me mom you call me wife
[00:09:46] other people call me by my first name. Sure. Yeah. Makes sense. Some call me a schmell. On what you call me that but it would be funny if they did it. I'm here for it. Yeah.
[00:09:57] It's message we revelation. Okay given to Daniel. Yeah. It's message was true and it concerned a great war. It was true. It was true because I said so. Because it says so right there in the Bible.
[00:10:09] That makes it true right there. And how do you know it's true? Because the Bible says because it's the word of God. I mean come on because God. Right. Give me a fucking break here.
[00:10:18] And how do we know the Bible's true? Because God. It's the word of God. And how do we know that the word of God is true? Because it's in the Bible. Yeah. I mean come on. Circular. This is easy shit.
[00:10:28] Why don't you know we should all know this? The definition of running is to run. The definition of smiling is to smile. Like fuck. The understanding of the message came to Daniel
[00:10:41] in a vision. Okay so that's the intro and now I'm switching to first person. Got it. Yeah. At that time I Daniel mourned for three weeks. I ate no choice food, no meat or wine touched my lips and
[00:10:57] I used no location. I'm sorry. Loatians at all until the three weeks were over. It did not put the lotion on his camera. It did not put the lotion on his skin.
[00:11:07] I don't know if you were called the end of the last chapter when he was given a vision about all them horns or whatever. Yeah. The goats. Sure. The re-bodder goat. Yeah. All that.
[00:11:16] At the very end of that chapter it was like and he was really fucking disturbed and sad me and so this is opening saying remember just then I was like disturbed and sad. Yeah sure. So I'm reminding you
[00:11:29] I suppose if I was seeing shit like this all the time I might be disturbed and sad too. Probably, you know if this was modern times you'd be seeking psychiatric health. Yeah less so because of
[00:11:40] the fact that you're having a vision and more the contents there. Yeah. Yeah. On the 24th day of the first month as I was standing on the bank of the Great River, the Tigris. Oh, okay.
[00:11:53] Not the Euphrates. No. Yeah. I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen with a belt a fine gold from you fuzz around his waist. Okay. His body was like toe pez. That's interesting.
[00:12:07] What's toe pez? That's like a blue. Oh, is it blue? I don't know. Do pez, what are you? Right. Yeah. You go, oh look it out. I can't remember honestly. I want to say it's orangey but maybe it's blue because
[00:12:20] that was my first thought. Yeah, it's blue. It is blue. Okay. Yeah. All right. toe pez is blue. Yeah. That makes sense. That's what I had imagined. But I was wondering
[00:12:31] as I know that there's a blue toe pez. So I think toe pez can be more than one color. Also see your scrolling down and I see some orange. Yeah, you're right. Okay. Okay. So he was either blue or orangey brown.
[00:12:46] Right. Maybe a mixture of both. Maybe he could like mixture of different things. His head was blue and his arms were one each. The base on these prices. I'm not buying you any toe pez at any time soon.
[00:12:56] I don't want it. I don't really wear jewelry except for my wedding band. I feel like I have personal hangups with jewelry. It makes me feel like a cave person dressing up in rocks to a shiny
[00:13:10] for the other people. That's a good point. Yeah. I never really thought of it that way but that's a good point. That is my logical reason for it. But the truth is I also have very autistic reasons for it
[00:13:24] and that it feels uncomfortable. It rubbs my neck the wrong way if I wear a necklace. Earrings, I fidget with them too often and they get irritated and rings and bracelets just I can't I can't
[00:13:36] I can't. Right. Like no. So I have a personal reason as well as a logical or something. All right. So toe pez is either orangey brown or he's blueish turquoise. Right. Shiny. He sparkly though. Yeah. His face like lightning. What? Jesus. Dude's weird. He's weird.
[00:13:56] It's crazy. Yeah. He's weirder than Republicans. His eyes like flaming torches. Like okay, but is this American torches like wood on fire or like a British torch which is a flash light? Trying to a map. I don't know but I'm trying to also imagine what a torches for
[00:14:16] eyes look like in a face of this made of lightning. Right. That's a weird face. Right. This is a weird description. Yeah. Like I feel like if you put it into chat GPT, it could do a much better
[00:14:26] job. And I'm not a super fan of chat GPT. Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze. See? I told you his arms were orange. Yeah. Yeah. And his voice
[00:14:42] like the sound of a multitude. That was me speaking in multiple voices at once. Yeah. Did you like that? That was great. Yeah. I Daniel was the only one who sold a vision and that
[00:14:54] right there should tell you something. Right. Yeah. Those who were with me did not see it but such terror overwhelmed them that they fled and hit themselves. Why? Okay. So there were other people
[00:15:06] with me and they didn't see what I saw but they were scared nonetheless. Why? Because they were because I Daniel said so. I think he might have been scared of Daniel honestly. I believe you.
[00:15:15] Right. Like I think Daniel was acting off. I think he stood up and was like, there's a shiny man with torches in his eyes and lightning and they were like, oh, here he goes again.
[00:15:26] It's fun. That is fucking lost it. Yeah. Yeah. So I Daniel was left alone gazing at this great vision. I had no strength left. My face turned definitely pale and I was helpless.
[00:15:39] Huh. Why you so scared, bro? You've had visions. Right. Ready. You know it's God or one of his like serrigates. Right. You know? Yeah. Then I heard him speaking and as I listened to him, I fell into
[00:15:53] a deep sleep. On chew, on chew. My face to the ground. Okay. Yeah. A hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees. Okay. He said, Daniel, you are who highly esteemed.
[00:16:09] Consider carefully the words I have about to speak to you. Yeah. And stand up for I have now been sent to you. Okay. I was trying to be a multitude. No, I know but no, no. It was like that was the
[00:16:23] first time. You can add that is that. Well, we'll lose like 15 people today. All right. We're subscribed. Let me try again. All right. Daniel, you who are highly esteemed consider carefully
[00:16:36] the words I'm about to speak to you and stand the fuck up for I have now been sent to you. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I had to add an F bombs since I couldn't do the voice there. Sure. Yeah. That's fair.
[00:16:47] I stopped correcting you on adding, you know, your cuspards into the Bible because it does me no good. I'm just trying to avoid copyright issues. Yeah. There you go. There you go. Yeah. It's my
[00:16:57] personal. I feel like we had a value to what we're doing and context that they couldn't really call us on it out on it because come on. Come on. We're we're we're discussing the whole thing,
[00:17:10] the whole way through and don't ever read more than like a couple sentences before we break in with our own shit. It's true. So because we are some opinionated. We are. We are. Yeah. And when
[00:17:22] dude said this to me, I stood up trembling. I was a trembling. Yeah. Then he continued, do not be afraid Daniel, since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding
[00:17:35] and humble yourself before your God, your words were heard. And I have come in response to them. I heard you pray in you. Okay. And here I come. Yeah. Walking down the street. Yeah. But the
[00:17:48] Prince of the Persian Kingdom resisted me 21 days. Wow. This is like a godly, can you actually type thing? What is this in this Prince of the first year or whatever? Yeah. Wait. Prince of the first year was Darius, right? Yeah. Darius the Mead. Who liked Daniel? Why
[00:18:07] would he be resisting? Like I don't understand. I don't know. He resisted the Angelidude for 21 days though. Then Michael, one of the chief princes came to help me because I was detained there with
[00:18:20] the King of Persia. Oh, my angel, but I was detained. By a human. That's what it says. But I don't feel like that can possibly be right. Right? Yeah. Unless you're shining for nothing. Like your
[00:18:35] whole power is that you are magical shine. Like dude. I mean, you have lightning face. Like right? How a fuck you detained lightning face. I don't. Right? But I want to them people that
[00:18:47] ran away. You only man just keep moving. Go get your torches at it here. Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future for the vision concerns a time yet
[00:18:59] to come. Okay. All right. Right. Well, he was saying this to me, Daniel. Yeah. I bowed with my face toward the ground and was speechless. Wait, Daniel wasn't saying it to him. I did the Angel was saying
[00:19:12] it to Daniel. Well, he was saying this to me. I Daniel with bowed with my face toward the ground and was speechless. I'm sorry. You were not listening. Yeah. He was listening. He's not well. Okay.
[00:19:24] I'll all accept that. Then one who looked like a man touched my lips. Don't do not touch my fucking face. This is the same top has looking motherfucker. And I opened my mouth and began to speak.
[00:19:39] I don't know. Okay. Maybe. But why would you say like, why wouldn't you just say hey that you haven't even been to the same person? One who looked like a man touched my lips. That bothers me.
[00:19:51] Like please don't please don't touch me. I do not consent. Right. Right. Don't just don't. Yeah. I opened my mouth and began to speak. I said to the one standing before me, which I think is
[00:20:02] shiny man. Okay. Yeah. I am overcome with English because of the vision my Lord and I feel very weak. How can I, your servant talk with you my Lord? My strength is gone and I can hardly breathe.
[00:20:16] Again, the one who looked like a man touched me and gave me strength. Do not be afraid. You who are highly esteemed. He said, please. Please. Be strong now. Be strong. When he spoke to me,
[00:20:31] I was strengthened and said, speak my Lord. Since you've given me strength in all, go ahead. Go ahead. So he said, do you know why I have come to you? I know. Is it to find the
[00:20:44] muffin man? Right. Yeah. I don't know what's up. Soon, dude continues. Yeah. Yeah. I will return to fight against the Prince of Persia. And when I go, the Prince of Greece will come. But first I will tell
[00:20:57] you what is written in the book of truth. There's a book of truth. Sure, it's fuck is. Okay. All right. And now we end on parentheses, boys. Yeah. No one supports me against them, except Michael,
[00:21:09] your Prince, the end. No, no one supports me against him, except Michael, your Prince. No one supports me against them. Yeah. The Prince of Persia and the Prince of Greece. Yeah. No one supports me against them, except Michael, your, your Prince. So okay. This is so this is
[00:21:27] weird. Yeah. I'm like, what? So we've, we've like, whittle down religion now to apparently God and his angel Michael and God is a detainable entity by Persian. Not God, whoever this dude is not God.
[00:21:46] He's an angel of the Lord or something. Okay. So but there's a whole heavenly host. I think even according to the book of Daniel. Yeah. So why are there only two on his side that are going
[00:21:59] to help him fight Persian? I don't understand it. But even at that, like the Persians got beaten like one night because they were stupid and it was pretty much a bloodless, you know,
[00:22:10] cool or something wasn't it? Like remember how they were, they had to write it on the wall and then like the next night he's just, you know, done. Yeah. He was done. Yeah.
[00:22:19] I honestly don't know. Okay. So here is what I have in the notes. It doesn't really clarify. Of course it does. But let me just read it. Right. Okay. So first of all, a superhuman messenger
[00:22:34] comes down and gives Daniel fresh strength. Okay. He then tells Daniel that God was pleased with his humble attitude and sincere desire to know more of God in his ways. Mm-hmm. He's like, so thrilled.
[00:22:46] God really likes you, dude. Yeah. Also there's a prince and I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet. I do. Yeah. That means $1 million. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. God had heard Daniel's prayer when he started
[00:22:57] praying three weeks previously. So that was in, you know, previous chapter. Okay. Yeah. And had sent this messenger shiny guy to him. Mm-hmm. Okay. The messenger had been delayed by forces opposed to God.
[00:23:11] Okay. One reason for the Jews' present trouble was that an evil spiritual power was behind the rulers of Persia. This doesn't give me a lot of confidence in the power of God. Yeah. Like if you're, if your messenger's, your angels, your whatever the fuck they are,
[00:23:29] if they can be detained by either humans or even, if they were admitting another God here, which would be kind of like we've said that there are other gods, but it's kind of been with the
[00:23:41] understanding that they were just, you know, idols, right? They kind of hinted that throughout much of the Bible. Now early on, like Genesis type timeframe, we could have interpreted some of those things to mean multiple gods. So there was sometimes where we were talking about probable,
[00:23:59] multiple gods, but generally through most of the books, it's been, you know, the idea that these other gods are not real, their idols and what have you. But here, these Persians apparently have the capability to detain heavenly hosts. Those evil spirits
[00:24:16] are helping them. So that's kind of interesting. Weird. It's weird, but it's also it's interesting. Weird because like this is new. We haven't done this before and now all of a sudden I feel like we're in the new Testament or something, because that is where you get all
[00:24:34] that heaven and hell evil spirits Satan will get you, Satan may do it. Sure. Like what? I don't, we haven't done this before. But if we're talking about these other cultures, they're kind of referencing other gods though. Right? I mean, these, these, they really are because
[00:24:50] those, the only spiritual creatures that would have been helping these people, if we're to take this in canon and the way they believe or whatever, then they would have been gods of the Persians. It wouldn't have been Satan or whatever. Right. It would have been there gods. Right.
[00:25:05] And that's just an interesting admission by this book that they were strong enough to detain them for at least three weeks. Which I don't care what you say, whether you believe in God or not,
[00:25:17] if we're to talk to someone who believes in God, your God was not strong enough to be these Persians gods for three weeks. Or at least your people weren't and you let your angels right. Your angelic superhuman messenger people be detained by evil spirits from another
[00:25:34] culture. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's what you're doing. It's interesting to me. Yeah. Yeah. That's all. All right. As far as the story goes. So an evil spiritual power was behind the rulers of Persia. This evil spirit tried to prevent the messenger from reaching Daniel, but
[00:25:51] Michael a good spirit who worked on behalf of God's people came and won control over the evil spirit thereby releasing the messenger to come to Daniel. Okay. On hearing about the spiritual conflicts going on in this unseen world, Daniel was again overcome with weakness and needed to be
[00:26:11] strengthened by God's heavenly messenger. Right. Just as two years earlier, this messenger had helped Michael probably in securing the Jews release from Persia. So now Michael would help the messenger. The two would fight on behalf of the Jews against the evil power behind Persia. Then later when
[00:26:33] Greece overthrew Persia, they would fight against other evil powers behind Greece. It's uh, it's really funny because this is being written. The way it's written there, it's written as a history. Yeah. Right. Like they're literally referencing things that they know
[00:26:51] have happened or are going to happen because they're writing it after they've happened. And they don't hide it very well there. The way that's phrased. Oh, when I was just reading was those notes.
[00:27:03] Yeah. That was not so sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. Well, that makes a lot more sense then. Yeah. Yeah. No, we already finished the chapter. I apologize. No, that's okay. Yeah. But anyway, that's yeah. It's still weird. It's weirder than Republicans, even.
[00:27:19] And Republicans are really fucking weird. Apparently that's the whole thing right now, right? Look, I'm sorry, but I'm fucking loving it because it's not a curse. We're going to so God damn true. Right. You know, the things that they are so worried about. They just told me
[00:27:35] tonight that apparently J.D. Vance is following Kamala Harris around and saying some really weird shit about like some racist tropes about her and something like that. Yeah, he wants to,
[00:27:48] he tried at least once if not twice to get on board her plane Air Force 2 that she's lying around it because he wanted to get a sniff because he said he bet it stinks. Oh my God. And I'm like,
[00:27:59] fuck you guy. Yeah. Fuck you hard, you know? Yeah. All the way to Mars and back. That's just like what what are we doing as a country? What is this, right? What century is this event?
[00:28:11] And sadly, sadly, this guy grew up about five miles from where I grew up. And they keep calling it Appalachia or Appalachia on like every new source. You guys, he grew up like 15 minutes south of
[00:28:27] Dayton. Now, deep no higher is not Appalachia. Think Columbus. So it's middle of this Ohio is not Appalachia. To be fair was Middleton, Ohio. And Middleton, Ohio is definitely more working class. It's a little bit more maybe hillbilly and maybe a little bit more, um, like you said,
[00:28:46] working class, working poor. Right. Well, there was a big steel middle company or a town and that kind of went downhill. But it's not Appalachia. No, it's not Appalachia. It's very far removed from
[00:28:59] Appalachia. Right. But it is and this is not appropriate to say exactly, but it is when I was growing up, it was affectionately known as Middleton. Right. Kind of people have heard to it as like, you know,
[00:29:11] that it does have some Appalachian roots because there's a lot of people that are coming from the poor sections near us to get jobs there when the steel mill was a big entity. Right.
[00:29:25] So there, there are a lot of people that came in from Appalachia. His family has Appalachian roots. Right. His grandparents were Appalachians. I have Appalachian roots. Okay. But to say that he is from Appalachia and that this book that he wrote takes place in Appalachia,
[00:29:43] it doesn't and it's not. Correct. He's basically calling Dayton Ohio Appalachia. Look on a fucking map y'all. It's not Appalachia. And it doesn't piss me off that he doesn't so much because that's what the right does. They just muddy the waters. It pisses me off
[00:29:59] that new sources reporting on this shit, that no geography stop calling Dayton Ohio, which Middletown almost is. Well, it's also almost Cincinnati. You can go either way with it. Right. It's right in the middle of Dayton Cincinnati. It's Middletown. Right.
[00:30:18] Yeah. It's just, would you call Cincinnati Ohio Appalachia? Right now. And to get to Dayton, you'd have to go through Columbus first. Would you call Columbus? Would you call Columbus Appalachia? No. But what do you mean, if you're going through, if you're coming from Appalachia
[00:30:38] area, oh yeah. Right. And you're headed to Dayton, your headed West on 70, I 70, right? Whatever, you're gonna go through fucking Columbus before you hit Dayton. Right. So if you are calling Dayton Middletown Cincinnati Appalachia, you're actually saying that Columbus, Ohio
[00:30:58] is fucking Appalachia, and it's really fucking not. Right. So I just, everybody get your maps out, study it out, learn your geography, and know that they're stupid. Just as the record,
[00:31:12] wife is not chastizing you. wife is just mad at the whole J.D. Vans thing. And it hits home really hard with us here because he's from here. Yeah. Essentially. So I mean, okay, Middletown is close enough
[00:31:24] to Dayton that we probably passed in some cafes. You know what I mean? Like, we probably hit the same malls. We probably ate at some of the same McDonald's. Yeah, I was probably at a sporting event
[00:31:38] that the dude at some point. Right. That's what I'm saying. Like it's just the next neighborhood over right. It's not far. It's I have a friend who lives just south of Middletown and we meet
[00:31:50] around Middletown for coffee. Like it's, it's just right there. Yeah. So just the whole thing is done. It's dumb and I hate it. I agree. Okay. I'm so sorry. Yes, you're very angry about this. Well,
[00:32:03] you were angry about seven and seven, and I'm angry about Middletown, Appalachia. Right. And I don't know how we got here from Bible, but because Republicans are weird. Yeah. Yeah. No,
[00:32:17] I got that. That is it. And I did, I did bring him up so I apologize to everyone. So you're shouldn't there's some JD events talk for you. Hey, but Kamala and Walsh. Let's go, Tim and Kamala. Right.
[00:32:31] Yeah. Go team. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. All right. I think we're going to get on out of here. We don't have a more to cover. No, I'm done. Okay. All right. So that was Daniel chapter 10.
[00:32:44] Sure, spoke was. And then maybe later today, possibly tomorrow we'll be back with Q and A. Maybe Saturday. And then for sure, we're getting part two of Patreon out. Right. Right. And that will be the
[00:33:00] actual project 2025. Yes. Yes. And then I'll get the week to wrap up out. And then we'll be back on Monday with Daniel chapter 11. All right. We'll see you then. Bye.







