Jeremiah Chapter 34: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:04] Sacrilegious Discourse. Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. I'm husband and I'm wife. Together we're

[00:01:20] reading the Bible for the very first time. We grew up without religion and wanted to know what

[00:01:24] all the fuss was about. Well what have we learned so far? That God is a dick and apparently some people

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[00:01:45] let's go read the Bible. Yeah let's get to it. Husband! Wife! Do you remember what happened yesterday

[00:01:54] and where the hell we are today? Well yesterday we read Jeremiah chapter 33. We did. And in that I

[00:02:01] recall that God was creating a new covenant that wasn't really a new covenant. It was just like

[00:02:06] the old covenant but then again and like he started talking like an old styles like he's going

[00:02:12] to bring back the sands on the beach and that's going to be the Israelites and they're going to

[00:02:16] be all happy and shit and we're like block as this that they say this sometimes and then I just

[00:02:23] don't believe it. Well I think it's because he keeps saying the same thing over and over and over

[00:02:28] and over and over again. Right. Like thus far everything for 34 chapters could have been summed up

[00:02:36] in like a chapter. Yeah pretty much. In my opinion. I totally agree. So I mean that was the gist

[00:02:43] of Jeremiah chapter 33. Okay. Which means that today we're reading. Jeremiah chapter 34. All right let's

[00:02:50] do this. Okie dokie. All right so we are jumping into Jeremiah chapter 34. Okay. The word is

[00:03:08] the word yeah. No it's not. The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord when Nebuchadnezzar king of

[00:03:17] Babylon and all his army all the kingdoms of the earth under his dominion and all the people

[00:03:23] fought against Jerusalem and all its cities. Yes a lot of people that wasn't actually truly all

[00:03:28] the people of the earth and all the king kingdoms. It's all the ones they knew maybe. It's all the

[00:03:33] people that the king of Babylon had conquered and made into his army. It was a lot of fucking people

[00:03:39] right to them. Well yeah I mean to be fair it was he had conquered a lot of nations. Yeah. Oh I

[00:03:48] got it. And so you know the same thing that the Romans did where they kind of forced people from

[00:03:53] various nations into their army. That's what Babylon was doing. Yeah. When they say all the kingdoms

[00:04:00] of the earth under his dominion. It's the under his dominion part that matters. Right. I got it. So

[00:04:07] anyway this is what the Lord fucking said. Okay. Yep. Thus says the Lord the God of Israel. The

[00:04:13] Lord said thus says the Lord. Go and speak to Zedekiah king of Judah and tell him thus says the Lord.

[00:04:24] But hold I will give this city into the hand of the king of Babylon and he shall burn it with

[00:04:29] mother fucking fire. Okay. Didn't he already tell him this? I mean isn't this already been said

[00:04:34] door? Yeah. Multiple times right multiple times. And you shall not escape from his hand but

[00:04:40] shall surely be taken and delivered into his hand your eyes shall see the eyes of the king of

[00:04:46] Babylon and he shall speak with you face to face and you shall go to fucking Babylon. Okay. Okay.

[00:04:53] Right. Yet hear the word of the Lord. Oh Zedekiah king of Judah. Thus says the Lord concerning you.

[00:05:02] You shall not die by the sword. You shall die in peace as in the ceremonies of your fathers,

[00:05:10] the former kings who were before you. So they shall burn incense for you and lament for you saying

[00:05:16] alas Lord for I have pronounced the word says the Lord. Okay but we didn't like Zedekiah in a

[00:05:25] previous chapter or two. Oh we don't but I have some notes about all this. Okay. Yeah. So first of all

[00:05:30] don't forget that in second Kings Zedekiah tried to flee to the plains of Jericho. Yeah. And

[00:05:37] instead he was captured by the forces of Nebuchadnezzar and brought to rib lot to have a quote-unquote

[00:05:44] face-to-face meeting with the Babylonian king. Okay. So all this happened in second Kings. Okay.

[00:05:51] Second Kings also records that Zedekiah's sons were killed before his eyes. Right. And then his

[00:05:56] eyes were put out and he was deported to Babylon. Yeah that is not peaceful. That is not. Well

[00:06:01] he didn't die yet. Okay. Okay. This was part of his punishment. Got it. And again I have more

[00:06:08] notes about this. Sure. Hang tight. Okay. Yeah. So soon after this prophecy the Babylonians captured

[00:06:15] Zedekiah and per second Kings they killed the sons. Bob of law put out his eyes, right? Yeah.

[00:06:21] Babylon. And there is a Jewish tradition that Nebuchadnezzar upon a festival day

[00:06:29] caused Zedekiah to be brought out of prison and abused him mercilessly before the princes just

[00:06:36] for funzees. Oh wow. Yeah. And out of shame and grief he died soon after. Wow. But then

[00:06:43] Nebuchadnezzar caused him to be honorably buried maybe like oh shit I didn't see that comment. Oops

[00:06:51] I guess we went too far. Borsing his former subjects to burn sweet incense and to bewail his death.

[00:06:57] Maybe because they didn't like him that was punishment too. I don't know. I really don't know.

[00:07:04] But according to all these different stories he was actually celebrated upon death. So he

[00:07:12] did have a peaceful death. He just didn't have a peaceful ride getting there. Got it. Okay. All right.

[00:07:18] So here we go. It's a little misleading. Just you know, it is if you're not, if you don't take into

[00:07:24] account the other aspects that we have read in the past. Yes. Which I wouldn't have picked up on

[00:07:29] that without the notes. Exactly. Me neither. Yeah. And another thing to keep in mind that I keep

[00:07:36] on forgetting is Ezra and Nehemiah they came after this stuff that we're reading now.

[00:07:42] Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Like I keep getting confused and I keep forgetting where we are in the whole

[00:07:49] Babylon came saw and kicked its ass. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's very confusing to you. It is. Then

[00:07:57] Jeremiah the prophet spoke all these words to Zedekiah, King of Judah in Jerusalem. When the

[00:08:02] King of Babylon's army fought against Jerusalem and all the cities of Judah that were left against

[00:08:08] Lashish and Azekah, Azakah. Mm hmm. For only these fortified cities remained of the cities of Judah.

[00:08:16] Okay. I have some notes about that as well. Okay. Okay. So the city of Lashish was 20 to 30 miles south

[00:08:23] west of Jerusalem. Okay. Okay. The city of Azakah was 11 miles ish north, north west of Lashish

[00:08:32] and 18 miles ish south west of Jerusalem. Okay. Okay. Now the book of Joshua noted that Lashish was

[00:08:40] one of the strongest towns of the Amorites in the time of Joshua. Oh. So that's why it was like

[00:08:46] one of the last ones to fall. Right. It's just a well fortified city and probably sits well somewhere

[00:08:52] that's a very... And Rahoboam in my notes, it says I don't even remember what part of the Bible

[00:09:00] this was, but I remember his name being mentioned in one of those kings or chronicles. Yeah.

[00:09:05] Probably kings because that's the guys we're talking about is I guess. Rahoboam had really fortified

[00:09:14] Lashish. Okay. Like he had built it up so there's two separate mentions of it besides just now in

[00:09:21] Jeremiah being a really strong well fortified city that lasted and there's a reason for that.

[00:09:30] Lashish and Azakah were both close to the Egyptian border. No. Yeah. So because of the Egyptian threat,

[00:09:38] Nebuchadnezzar had to secure the strategic points to the south before he was able to complete the

[00:09:44] conquest of Jerusalem. Got it. So those were the last two cities to fall because they were the most

[00:09:50] fortified. They were the most fortified because of their location and because people prior to Zedakaya

[00:09:57] had seen the strategic use of the cities and building them up to protect them against Egypt.

[00:10:04] Right. Okay. So I thought that was of note. Sure. Okay. So now we're getting into a different

[00:10:11] part, a different section. Okay. So that was that section where we're like, oh that's sucked

[00:10:17] and he's coming to get John and Zedakaya you're going to die but not kind of in whatever.

[00:10:22] Right. Okay. Okay. Now we're in a totally different section. Okay. This is the word that came to

[00:10:28] Jeremiah from the Lord after King Zedakaya had made a covenant with all the people who were at

[00:10:33] Jerusalem to proclaim liberty to them that every man should set free his male and female slave,

[00:10:42] a Hebrew man or woman that no one should keep a Jewish brother in bondage. Now in all the princes

[00:10:49] and all the people who had entered into the covenant heard that everyone should set free his

[00:10:53] male and female slaves that no one should keep them in bondage anymore. They obeyed him and they

[00:10:58] let him go. Right. But afterward they changed their minds and made the male and female slaves return

[00:11:04] when they whom they had set free and brought them into subjection as male and female slaves.

[00:11:10] Okay. Therefore the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah from the Lord saying that's fucked up. Well,

[00:11:16] you know, I'll tell you what he said in a minute. But I have some notes about the back and forth

[00:11:20] here of hey, let him go. Okay. Wait. No. Never mind. I don't want to listen to you Zedakaya.

[00:11:26] Right. Right. Get over your slaves. Yeah. I'm assuming they had it good and they're like,

[00:11:30] fuck this. I'm going to get them back pretty much. Yes. Yes. That is pretty much what happened.

[00:11:35] It is likely the owners did this because while under siege they didn't want to be responsible

[00:11:41] for feeding their slaves. There was no work in the fields for them to do anyways. Got it.

[00:11:45] And they probably would be better soldiers against the Babylonians if they were free.

[00:11:51] You know, right? Yeah. Like, hey, let's let these guys fight for us kind of thing. Right? But

[00:11:56] around this time like right after the owners set them free. Yeah.

[00:12:01] Word came that an Egyptian army was marching to relieve Jerusalem because remember Jerusalem

[00:12:07] and Babylon were fighting each other over these people. Right. The Jews. So the Jewish people were

[00:12:14] like, well, fuck it. Egypt's got our back. I want to take my slave back. God damn it. Well,

[00:12:19] this news caused the Babylonians to lift their siege and temporarily go attack the Egyptians.

[00:12:27] You know, they needed to regroup and take care of that larger threat. Yeah. Right. So Babylonian

[00:12:33] withdrawal withdrawals, right? Yeah. So with the Babylonian threat supposedly gone, there was no

[00:12:39] more need to radically repent or go without their servants or whatever reason that they let them go.

[00:12:47] Yeah. Right. So they forced the newly freed slaves back into servitude. Got it. Yeah. Like, what

[00:12:53] the fuck? That is some fucked up shit, right? You know, they hold, they talk a lot about like law

[00:12:59] and the way things are justly this way because of the laws they've created in their world.

[00:13:07] This feels like if you let me go, if you set me free, fuck you. I'm not coming back. The law

[00:13:14] says that I was free. So I'm free. Right? Like, I mean, obviously they don't have the power to

[00:13:18] actually hold that but it feels very not cool. Here's the argument against that and I'm not saying

[00:13:26] that this is true or how much credence I have. I'm putting in that. Okay. One of the arguments

[00:13:33] is that the translations don't always indicate the word slavery as in slave. Sometimes the word

[00:13:43] according to some scholars most likely apologizes my guess. Right. Say that the word is actually

[00:13:52] a person who sells themself into slavery. And indentured servant is what we're talking about here.

[00:14:01] In many cases, not in all cases. I would assume anybody who had migrated into their group was not just

[00:14:09] like a friendly, hey, I will help you with you will help me. Right? Right. Also early on,

[00:14:16] it was supposed to be this whole seven year. Yeah. And then let them go, right? And they weren't doing

[00:14:21] that. Right. So that's what God's pissed about. He's like, I fucking told you to fucking let them go.

[00:14:29] And you did, but only because of this coming war. Right. And then as soon as the war stopped for like

[00:14:35] two seconds, you fuckers went and got these people back into your care. What the hell? Yeah.

[00:14:42] So God's a little up and he pissed. Okay. I mean, I mean, he's allowed for slavery in the past. So

[00:14:48] I don't really. But again, was it slavery or was it indentured servitude? I mean, I think I recall

[00:14:55] bits of slavery. I do as well. So I mean, I don't want to like say that without question because

[00:15:04] I can't recall an exact example at this moment, but I do recall them talking about taking

[00:15:10] foreign captors and basically putting them in the slavery. Yeah. Yeah. And now even if we don't say

[00:15:17] like them being slaves is what actually happened, there's definitely times where they took women from

[00:15:25] other tribes and forced them to be married to Israelites or what have you. And I would consider

[00:15:31] that slavery as well. I would too. So I don't know. I feel like this is an unfair, if God has pissed

[00:15:41] off about slavery, I feel like that's unfair to what he has allowed in the past and even commanded

[00:15:46] to be done. I have a few more bits and pieces I can add to this conversation. First of all

[00:15:53] is the use of the word Hebrew, which we're about to get into. God's going to use that word.

[00:16:01] And it's one of the few times that it's actually used in the Bible and what it is taken to mean is

[00:16:12] not just Jewish people, but Jewish people being held as captives against their will in slavery or

[00:16:20] servitude. So that could kind of lend to, oh, I'm not talking about people from other tribes. I'm

[00:16:30] talking about just you tribesmen holding each other. Right. And that seems to be largely the focus

[00:16:42] of this portion. Yes. And what God is saying he's pissed about. He doesn't mind slavery. He

[00:16:48] mind slavery of his people enslaving themselves to each other. Got it. If you're outside of his people,

[00:16:57] you're subhuman and don't count. Therefore we don't even call it slavery. We just call it having pets

[00:17:04] or whatever because people only count if they are part of the tribe. Right. Right. Yeah. So

[00:17:12] and again, I'm not saying that I agree with this at all. I'm just trying to bring a little bit of

[00:17:19] this is the way they saw it. Got to the conversation. Okay. So therefore the word

[00:17:25] of the Lord came to Jeremiah from the Lord saying the word of the Lord came from the Lord just so

[00:17:31] that we're clear. Okay. And then the Lord says thus says the Lord the God of Israel. He says he says he

[00:17:37] says. Yeah. I made a covenant with your fathers in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,

[00:17:44] out of the house of bondage. I know right? Like, brunch or petty or like remember that one time

[00:17:52] when I stayed how often he brings up is like this favor I did you way back when you can hardly even

[00:17:58] remember that that was even the thing that I did. Like fucking strings attached to like Jesus. I

[00:18:03] thought you would just do it because you were nice. It turns out like everything you do is strings

[00:18:09] attached more over like I mean there's a lot of historians that have tried to have looked into

[00:18:16] the whole Exodus thing right? And it's very much thought that it wasn't really a thing that happened

[00:18:23] definitely not in the way that it was pitched in the Bible. Right. And and and moreover like even

[00:18:29] like hereditary traits we covered this a while back. Don't lend to the idea that they came from Egypt.

[00:18:36] Right. Like there's just so many indicators that say no this never fucking happened.

[00:18:40] Right. And yet it's harped on by God all the time as a thing that he's like don't forget I did

[00:18:47] this thing because this this makes you like Ome right? That's why it's important to the story.

[00:18:54] Not this great thing that I did it's this great favor that I granted you that you now have to

[00:19:01] repay me for you know eternity. Right and I just feel like Egypt was just this powerful

[00:19:09] neighbor they had that they always had to worry about and probably fought with a lot. And so it

[00:19:15] made for a good story to say we escaped from them and we've held our own and you know like it

[00:19:20] just made for a good story. And it's so cute because it's like but did you though because

[00:19:26] Egypt and Babylon are like these huge forces battling each other all the time for these little small

[00:19:33] lands and tribes and and so like depending on which part of the Bible we're in you guys are

[00:19:40] really small compared to these like huge kingdoms that are fighting over the big parts. Right

[00:19:46] but it feels but also Israel was obviously focused on Israel or on Egypt because

[00:19:52] it sounds to me like a lot of their most fortified areas were closed right up on order yeah. So

[00:19:59] it sounds to me like they were very consumed with dealing with Egypt. Yeah. Right? Like that was

[00:20:05] a very big part of their life even though Babylon came in and took them over right? I feel like

[00:20:11] I feel like Egypt was their frenemies. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like when it was

[00:20:16] convenient they got along when there was a drought they were like oh Egypt could we have a

[00:20:21] little bit of water over here man right and Egypt just like fine but yeah for the most part

[00:20:31] I feel like Egypt was like whatever you little fucked her right and probably Egypt did not care

[00:20:37] two shits for them until somebody else came and was like oh we're just gonna take this since you

[00:20:43] don't want it and then Egypt does like hang on a sec I didn't say I didn't want it it's my trash can

[00:20:48] okay like just because I threw it in my trash can doesn't mean that you could just come into my yard

[00:20:55] and dig through my goddamn dumpster right like that's that's the impression I have. Sure. Okay at the end

[00:21:01] this is God talking. At the end of seven years let every man set free his Hebrew brother okay.

[00:21:09] It's interesting how everyone's in a while they bring something back yeah you know from the early

[00:21:15] from Deuteronomy and Exodus yeah yeah who has been sold to him and when he has served you six years

[00:21:21] you shall let him go free from you but your fathers did not obey me nor incline their ear then

[00:21:28] you recently turned and did what was right in my sight yay every man proclaiming liberty to his

[00:21:33] neighbor right and you made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name did they I'm

[00:21:39] like I thought their king just told him to do it right and they're like okay fine yeah I thought that

[00:21:45] Zedekiah was like hey guys um Babylonia's about to attack so set your slaves free so that we have more

[00:21:53] people to fight but maybe they maybe he announced it in the temple or something God says right yeah

[00:21:58] God says remember that time I was supposed to remind you what makes sense in a political sense it

[00:22:05] would make sense to invoke God yeah or or or a religion or a God in order to get what you want them

[00:22:11] to do done right yeah so I mean that that kind of makes sense that maybe that would have been the way

[00:22:17] they did it sure then you turned around and profane my name and everyone you brought back his

[00:22:24] male and female slaves whom he had set at liberty at their pleasure and brought them back into

[00:22:30] subjection to be your male and female slaves therefore thus says the Lord you have not obeyed me in

[00:22:38] proclaiming liberty everyone to his brother and everyone to his neighbor behold I proclaim liberty to

[00:22:45] you says the Lord to the sword to pestilence and to famine that's the liberty I'm bringing you

[00:22:55] and I will deliver you to trouble among all the kingdoms of the earth right here in River City

[00:23:01] I knew I was coming true news coming you cannot tell me the word trouble yeah without the music man

[00:23:08] right yeah and I will give the men who have transgressed my covenant who have not performed the words

[00:23:15] of the covenant which they made before me when they cut the calf into and pass between the parts of it

[00:23:22] the princes of Judah the princes of Jerusalem the unix the priests and all the people of the land

[00:23:28] who passed between the parts of the calf why are they passing was this a thing it was not I will

[00:23:34] get there in a second okay okay I will give them into the hand of their enemies and into the hand

[00:23:39] of those who seek their life their dead body shall be for meat for the birds of the heaven

[00:23:45] and the beasts of the earth okay so here's the thing okay first of all um the uh sorry I lost my

[00:23:55] place here the the whole cut the calf and half and walked between it thing yeah um that was

[00:24:02] apparently a thing that some of the tribes did when a covenant was broken that you had to walk

[00:24:09] through the blood of um animals that were torn asunder okay specifically for this purpose and it

[00:24:16] was like this imagery riddled way of showing that you were a piece of shit that broke a promise

[00:24:24] okay but it's never been mentioned until now right and in all of my notes that I could find

[00:24:31] it was all apologists saying yeah they did this thing what and I was like no I'm not going to pretend

[00:24:38] that we have read that before we have not serves right and here's another thing like all of

[00:24:44] some were bringing up the fucking golden calf and I'm wondering remember how there were tribes

[00:24:49] that did use the golden calf as um their symbol for y'all maybe they're symbol for y'all wait yeah

[00:24:57] I'm wondering if this is like some of that mess over you know what I mean sure like they were so

[00:25:03] tangled up in all of their different practices with each other right right that I kind of wonder

[00:25:09] if it's that but who could fucking know because it just comes out of nowhere and apologists are just

[00:25:15] like yeah they did that right there was common standard practice yeah and I'm like maybe it was

[00:25:21] and maybe it wasn't where'd you get that info right because this the first time reading about it

[00:25:26] maybe maybe we'll read it like in another book of the bible but we haven't got there yet sure

[00:25:32] and they aren't they weren't quoting it right as you know per this book and that book and these books

[00:25:38] in those books yeah they're just like this is a thing so yeah I'm a little annoyed over it

[00:25:44] personally got it um okay so yeah I'm gonna do this that in the other and force them to walk

[00:25:50] through and do the thing and I will give Zedekaya king of Judah and his princes into the hand of their

[00:25:59] enemies into the hand of those who seek their life and into the hand of the king of Babylon's army

[00:26:05] which has gone back from you behold I will command says the Lord and cause them to return to the city

[00:26:13] hmm you know he's gonna make him do it yeah so what happened was um Babylon beat Egypt and then

[00:26:21] came back and was like we're done we're done beating them now we're coming back for you like we were

[00:26:27] in the first place right they they were basically like I'm coming to kick your at oh hang on a sack

[00:26:33] and then they turn around and you know shot the Egyptians and then we're like okay anyway as I

[00:26:38] was saying I'm coming to kick your ass right yeah and they did yep they will fight against it

[00:26:45] and burn it and take it with oh wait I said that wrong they will fight against it and take it

[00:26:50] and burn it with fire and I will make the cities of Judah a desolation without inhabitant

[00:26:57] because I'm a petty prick he really is he really is how do you just like decide that you're in charge

[00:27:02] and you're just gonna like burn down a whole city I mean that seems to be the mo of God it's like

[00:27:10] I'm just going to destroy whatever I feel like destroy in this week God is gross because I disagree

[00:27:17] I think that you should worship me more I think that you suck God is gross God is bad he's a piece

[00:27:25] of shit and he's not my dad that did rhyme that did rhyme you know because everybody's like

[00:27:32] dear father yeah I got it he's not my father right no okay well now we got a rhyme in for the day

[00:27:39] yeah he did um and I apologize I feel like I was a little bit low energy today because

[00:27:45] you were you were and I do apologize for that because it's been a long day well we're recording

[00:27:52] this as it currently says it's almost 2 a.m. it is and I got to get up at six and you got to get

[00:27:59] up at eight yeah so that's dedication you're welcome you yes you are fans you are welcome

[00:28:07] because I'm not even done yet I got more to do I know so all right well that was Jeremiah

[00:28:13] chapter 34 sure as fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with Jeremiah chapter 35

[00:28:20] all right we'll see you then bye

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