Jeremiah Chapters 46 - 52 Q&A [PART 1]

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[00:01:50] Husband. Wife. How's your unit? I'm sorry, what? The look you just gave me.

[00:02:00] So you know how we're in a unit right now of oracles? I don't know. I was having trouble

[00:02:07] remembering because it's been so many days. Yeah, sorry about that. There's a lot to cover

[00:02:13] and so toward that end I think we're going to make this a two-parter. Okay. A two-parter Q and A,

[00:02:21] not a Saturday. Right. And to that end, I'm not sure when this is all going to pan out because

[00:02:29] this is taking extremely has been taking extremely longer than we ever anticipated to do the

[00:02:35] research for this. So I know. I'm sorry. You kept coming in and going how much longer?

[00:02:40] And I'm like, another hour at least. No, but that was for like three days. Yes. Yes. For three days

[00:02:47] I was going in and asking. Yes. Just one more hour at least. Wife doesn't have the best sense of time.

[00:02:55] No, I have zero sense of time. Right, right. That's what I meant by not the best. Yeah.

[00:02:59] So what we are going to cover today is the Q and A for chapters 46, 47, 48 and 49. Okay. Which is all of

[00:03:11] those oracles about all the other nations that Jeremiah is addressing. Right. And then

[00:03:20] they're basically all of them except Babylon. Got it. So the part two will be the Babylon

[00:03:27] chapters, which is 50 and 51. And then the that weird epilogue chapter 52. That was shit. Yeah.

[00:03:36] And then I will hopefully be able to also introduce a little bit more information about

[00:03:44] this weird unit as a whole. Got it. In the part two. Got it. And that's kind of what's been

[00:03:50] holding me up. I'm just like inundated with how many chapters is that 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52.

[00:03:59] Seven chapters. Well, and this was a weird placement. I mean, like everything was weird

[00:04:03] about this section that we've been covering. So like it's not a normal, it's not normal.

[00:04:09] It's not a normal format. And I just, I did not anticipate how much research there was going

[00:04:16] to be and how long that would take me. Well, and if I'm to guess, I'm guessing that it's not

[00:04:21] really in the same vein as the rest of Jeremiah. So it's very much different and unique. Right.

[00:04:28] So right. Because we also will have a separate Jeremiah as a whole wrap up. Right. Which kind

[00:04:37] of almost makes it a part three in a way. Right. Right. But again, if we're wrapping

[00:04:43] up Jeremiah, there's a lot to Jeremiah that's not this section either. Right. That's what I'm saying.

[00:04:50] And since we're covering this for over two days, we could probably almost make that a side note

[00:04:54] right for what we're covering for these two days. Right. Exactly. So we may be stretching this

[00:04:58] whole thing into like Sunday. I'm not really sure where we're going with all this, but

[00:05:02] we're a wreck. We're a mess. But we're back. We're back. We're here. We didn't leave. No.

[00:05:08] We just I just am not a good.

[00:05:15] All right. So that being said, you said we're covering what today again?

[00:05:19] Jeremiah chapters 46474849. All right. You ready to do this? Sure. Yes. Yes. Yes, I am.

[00:05:27] All right. Let's do this. Okie dokie.

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[00:07:07] Okay, here we go into this Q and a covering 500 chapters.

[00:07:14] The word three four four four four. Yeah, four chapters. And some of it will sound a bit repetitive

[00:07:22] because well, because it is right and because also we did a Q and a already for 46 before we

[00:07:31] realized we were going to be doing this whole unit thing. Got it. So just putting it out there that

[00:07:39] in order to have this be a cohesive thing. I might say a few things that I've already said

[00:07:46] before, such as that the oracles against foreign nations is what this unit is. Right. And it does

[00:07:55] consist of chapters 46 through 51. Okay. But we're only covering 46 through 49 because 50 and 51

[00:08:05] are about Babylon. Right. And there was a lot of material. Yeah, we want to do those separate.

[00:08:11] So in the Septuagint, which is the Greek translation, this unit these chapters came in the

[00:08:19] middle of what we call Jeremiah chapter 25. Right. And which is chapter 32 in the Septuagint. Okay.

[00:08:26] And this suggests that the oracles circulated for a time as an independent unit. And that's why

[00:08:33] I asked in the intro, how's your unit doing? See, just for the record, we did not do a Q and A over

[00:08:41] 46. I really thought we did know the last the last set of chapters was 41 through 45. Well,

[00:08:48] my mistake had a sneaking suspicion. So I went and checked real quick. So you know what,

[00:08:52] you're right because I wasn't doing separate Q and As so I covered this in the chapter itself.

[00:08:59] Like my notes. No, we were doing separate Q and A still not for Jeremiah chapter

[00:09:06] 46. We were not doing separate Q and As. Right. I'm saying that okay, okay.

[00:09:15] All right. And anyway, some of this might sound familiar. And if you know, you know,

[00:09:20] all right. Okay. Yeah. So this series brings together a number of messages that Jeremiah

[00:09:27] announced to foreign nations over the course of time during the many years of his ministry.

[00:09:33] So we're talking about from the time he was a young in and just starting his ministry

[00:09:38] all the way through when he got killed. So is that is that why we're supposed to

[00:09:44] accept the different writing styles and the different? Sure. Sure, that's it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:51] And also because Baruch, his scribe, his assistant, his little partner in crime, his

[00:09:59] secret agent, co-conspirator, yeah. Right. Wrote some of it. Yeah. And somebody else gathered

[00:10:07] it all up or whatever. It's just that none of these chapters felt there might have been like

[00:10:11] one or two exceptions throughout the whole thing, but none of them really felt like anything Baruch

[00:10:15] or Jeremiah had written previously. Right. So it just doesn't sit well with me and there's

[00:10:20] a lot of it that I feel was even while they were in Babylonian exile, especially, I know

[00:10:26] we're not covering it today, but like chapter 51 for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely written while

[00:10:32] they were in Babylonian exile. For sure. Like, I mean, well, I don't know that for 100%

[00:10:37] fact myself, but based on what they said, there are some things and I think some of

[00:10:43] this other stuff was written in Babylonian exile as well. I agree with you, but that

[00:10:47] kind of goes along with the next thing I was going to say, which is that just as a reminder,

[00:10:52] the order in which these messages, these oracles to the other nations, the order they've been

[00:10:57] arranged in does not follow the order of the events they announced. So they're not

[00:11:03] in chronological order. The arrangement is more according to the geographic location

[00:11:08] of the target countries. Right. And they start with Egypt in the south,

[00:11:12] and then they move north and east towards Mesopotamia ending in, of course, Babylon. Sure.

[00:11:19] Okay. Yep. And the climax of the series deals with the nation that dominated the affairs of most

[00:11:25] countries in the region. Spoiler alert. I already just said Egypt, Babylon. Oh, Babylon. I'm sorry.

[00:11:32] Well, Egypt was a big player too. Yeah, but that's not the climate. Right. And that's not

[00:11:36] the big bad. Yeah. No, I got you. I'm sorry. I was half listening because our cats making

[00:11:40] noise. So yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. So in this first chapter here, chapter 46,

[00:11:50] we're dealing with Egypt. Okay. Okay, so you weren't totally wrong or far off. Right. That's

[00:11:56] where we're starting. Sure. Okay. And prophecy number one covers the defeat at Karshamesh.

[00:12:03] Okay. Yeah. Verse two read it was on his way to Karshamesh located in modern Turkey near the Syrian

[00:12:10] border. Oh, I'm sorry. This isn't a verse. I'm referencing a verse. Okay. I'm referencing

[00:12:17] verse two. All right. Okay. It was on his way to Karshamesh located in modern Turkey

[00:12:22] near the Syrian border that Pharaoh Niko had slain King Josiah of Judah in 609 BCE. Right.

[00:12:31] When Josiah tried to turn him back and Pharaoh kept his army in Karshamesh for years, dominating the

[00:12:39] area and waiting for the inevitable confrontation with rising Babylon. Got it. Okay. So this is

[00:12:45] supposed to be like early on. Sure. Okay. And that makes sense. So like we talked about it

[00:12:50] throughout the chapters that there was some I mean just some political slash, you know,

[00:12:54] warfare in things going on and Israel happens to be in the middle of it all. Yes. Yes.

[00:13:00] Now when it came, the Egyptians were rooted in 605 BCE. The army of Nebuchadnezzar defeated the troops

[00:13:09] of Pharaoh Niko at Karshamesh on the northern Euphrates and pursued the troop to the border

[00:13:15] of Egypt. Okay. The Babylonian armies chased the fleeing Egyptian south and came to Jerusalem.

[00:13:22] Right. Right. So the soldiers were called to battle. They were quickly rooted. The voice

[00:13:29] we heard the voice of the victorious Babylonian army in Jeremiah's imaginations of how it would

[00:13:37] sound and how it would look. Yeah. And then we saw proud Egypt get destroyed. And then Egypt was

[00:13:46] not to be cured from their affliction. So referencing chapter, I'm sorry, referencing

[00:13:53] verse 11, the association of balm with Gilead. I don't know if you recall that verse they mentioned

[00:14:00] something about the balm of Gilead. Okay. Okay. All right. That is likely an illusion to the fact

[00:14:07] that caravans from the east bearing supplies of balm often passed through Gilead. Okay.

[00:14:14] Okay. Yeah. And the defeat of Egypt at Karshamesh was famous because it marked the beginning

[00:14:19] of Babylon as a true superpower in the region and simultaneously the decline of Egypt as the

[00:14:27] superpower. Got it. Okay. Okay. So then we move on to prophecy number two regarding the

[00:14:34] invasion of Egypt. Okay. All right. And Egypt was helpless to defend themselves against Babylon's

[00:14:40] army. So in verse 16, they called Pharaoh a noise which we talked about that meant a braggar, a bombast,

[00:14:50] a loudmouth all talk full of lip service like basically, you know, just talking shit. Yeah.

[00:14:57] Shit talking. Right. Okay. And then in verse 20, Egypt proudly thought of herself as strong,

[00:15:04] great and beautiful. And God said that they were strong and pretty like a young cow that was

[00:15:09] just ripe for sacrifice. Right. Right. Okay. Yeah, we did. I do remember we talked about a lot of this

[00:15:15] while we were reading it. So. Yep. Yep. So I was right and you were wrong. No. No. You

[00:15:20] were saying it wrong. So. Okay. But it's okay. But I was still right and you were still wrong

[00:15:24] because you're always wrong. Okay. The reference to Egypt in verse 22, gliding away like a snake.

[00:15:33] Do you remember that? They were like, Egypt's going to glide away like a snake.

[00:15:37] Yes. Okay. It's a sarcastic comment on the humbling of Thoth, one of Egypt's most revered

[00:15:44] national deities and it was one that was prominent in the royal insignia there were. Right. The snake

[00:15:50] whatever the. The kondusius. Right. Yeah. The snakes wrapped around the staff. Right.

[00:15:55] The Egyptian God Thoth was equivalent to the Greek God Hermes and the Roman God Mercury. Okay.

[00:16:02] So then we moved into the certainty of the judgment upon Egypt and then God of course says that he

[00:16:09] will preserve Israel because he always says that. Right. Right. And then that's the comfort that

[00:16:15] he offers to his chosen people. Got it. Okay. So that was chapter 46 summed up for you. Okay.

[00:16:22] Okay. Yep. Moving into chapter 47, that is the prophecy concerning the Philistines.

[00:16:29] Right. So this prophecy is odd because there is no historical evidence of any Egyptian king

[00:16:42] smiting Gaza. Right. Whereas verse one talks about how that totally is going to happen.

[00:16:49] And it was always my understanding that the Egyptians were really good at keeping records.

[00:16:54] So that is more than odd. Yes. It's probably not true. Yeah. If I had to guess. Exactly. Exactly.

[00:17:01] It was no doubt smote by some of them like little aren't edge. Sure. Skermesh's. Skermesh's. That's

[00:17:09] the word I was looking for but when or by whom does not appear in any written history. Got it.

[00:17:15] So they might have lost a little town or city on the edge or whatever now and again. Right.

[00:17:20] They always maintained their power. Right. So this attack that whatever we're talking about

[00:17:27] that we have no evidence of is likely to have occurred when Niko was marching to Heran in 609

[00:17:34] BCE. Okay. Yep. And Pharaoh Niko's campaign had a twofold purpose. One, it was to prop up a

[00:17:43] tottering Assyria against a powerful Babylon, Babylonia, Babylon thus maintaining the balance of

[00:17:50] power. Okay. And then two, to extend his own empire in a time of international chaos. Got it. Okay.

[00:17:58] Yep. So then we hear that there's going to be a judgment coming from the north and we're going

[00:18:05] to get into that in a minute because me and you for several chapters we were like what the

[00:18:09] fuck does that mean like Babylon was from the north. So is it north north? Some evil powers coming?

[00:18:16] Well in these chapters they were referring to Babylon from what I understood. Yes and no.

[00:18:21] Like I said we're going to get into that. Okay. Because when we get to Babylon they're saying

[00:18:25] somebody from the north is going to get you. Right. And we were like what are you talking

[00:18:29] about? Babylon is north. At least that's how they referred to them we thought. Yes. Yes.

[00:18:35] So there are some northern things north of Babylon. Okay. That is like I said we're going to get into

[00:18:42] that. Right. Right. Okay. So then we talk about the sword of the Lord against the cities of the

[00:18:48] Philistines. Do you remember that fucking sword? The sword of the Lord. Okay and then they talk

[00:18:55] about the afflicted cities and in verse four they talk about to cut off from Tear inside on

[00:19:02] or Sidon. Okay. And that was likely meant that any available Phoenician help would be prevented

[00:19:09] from reaching Philistia. Tear and Sidon were Phoenician cities not Philistine but they were

[00:19:17] probably in a desperate alliance with the Philistines against the force of Babylon.

[00:19:22] So basically like all these various little nations were suddenly finding themselves

[00:19:29] um teaming up with their worst enemies just to try to fight off Babylon. Right. Well if I

[00:19:35] recall correctly I think we've talked about Tear before as like a major trading hub in that area

[00:19:40] so like that would have been an important um people to right have on your side or or have to cut

[00:19:47] off from somebody I mean it would make a big it would be a big deal. Right and like these

[00:19:52] little nations they would have the word that you used earlier was perfect they would have

[00:19:57] skirmishes and they would raid each other. Sure. But that was not this whole overpowering um empire

[00:20:06] rolling over them. Right. So like Babylon made its own bed here because they were like we are

[00:20:13] going to take all of you down and they kind of did but then they you know in the end are

[00:20:18] supposed to get theirs. Yeah. So the new international version explains a little bit more clearly with

[00:20:26] regard to um they talked about baldness like this nation will be bald. Right. And then the way that

[00:20:35] they phrase that in the new international version is that Gaza will shave her head in the in

[00:20:41] morning. Yeah. So you know as as they did. Right. Okay um the Septuagint the Greek translation describes

[00:20:49] the valley that is referenced in these verses as the remainder of the Anakim in place of the

[00:20:57] remnant of their valley. The Anakim recall where the race of giants. Right. Said to have lived

[00:21:04] in the southern part of the land of Canaan so that's fun. And then there's still they were

[00:21:09] still there. They're still there. Yeah. Which is funny. Yeah. Because we read about them all the

[00:21:14] way back in Exodus. Mm-hmm. Because I remember they didn't even go into Israel. They were at

[00:21:20] Israel like within the first like chapter or two. Canaan. Or Canaan, yeah. Yeah. And they

[00:21:25] didn't go in because you know there was hypothetical giants that they were going to

[00:21:28] fight. Yeah. It was a beautiful land full of milk and honey that they were scared to enter

[00:21:33] because of the giants. Right. Right. So use of the term Anakim seems to link the people of Gaza

[00:21:40] and Ashklon with the race of giants that inhabited Canaan just as you said before the arrival of

[00:21:46] the Israelites. Got it. So yeah. There you have it. They're still they were still alive to that

[00:21:51] very day. Right. Right. Yeah. And then um we hear about Jeremiah speaking to and hearing

[00:21:57] from that sword and this dialogue between the sword of the Lord and the prophet is a form of

[00:22:03] personification about which there are several legends. Okay. And we talked about like one of them

[00:22:09] being Excalibur but there are several others where the sword is prominent. Right. As as a character

[00:22:18] in the story. Right. But you said at the time that they're not necessarily related directly to

[00:22:23] this sword. No they're not related it's just interesting that so many different nations

[00:22:30] throughout history you know repeat. Right. Similar themes. Well I mean and I think we

[00:22:36] commented on this at the time too but war is a big deal for these people in those times because

[00:22:42] survival. Yeah well and and yeah. Land grab. Right. Resources. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

[00:22:49] So there's no consensus as to when this prophecy was delivered and that's going to make it super

[00:22:55] exciting when I do like the unit as a whole um deep dive. Yeah. Yeah. It may have occurred during

[00:23:03] the fourth year of Zedekiah but others assign it to some time in the reign of Josiah.

[00:23:08] Okay. So Zedekiah Josiah who fucking knows. Right. Okay. So that was 47. Now we're moving

[00:23:15] into Jeremiah 48 the prophecy concerning Moab. Okay. Yeah which I thought they were gone too.

[00:23:22] Yeah they were supposed to be they were supposed to be so we start with the judgment to come against

[00:23:28] the cities of Moab and um the ancestor of Moab came from the incestuous pairing of Lot

[00:23:38] and his daughter and that was described way back in Genesis chapter 19. Yeah. Okay. Moab

[00:23:44] was something of a cousin to Israel like they were related but like. But they were ancestral so you

[00:23:51] know. Yeah. Like these are gross. They feared Israel as they came from Egypt towards Canaan

[00:23:58] and that was described in Numbers chapter 22. Uh huh. Recall Balak king of Moab hired Balaam

[00:24:06] to curse Israel. One of my favorite chapters. I know the fucking talking donkey. Definitely.

[00:24:11] Like that's that's the one where I'm like oh you believe everything in the Bible is literal so

[00:24:16] you believe in a talking donkey. I mean it's literally in our fucking intro like this we

[00:24:19] reference that in our intro. I know that's why I'm like okay. Yeah. All right I can't with you

[00:24:23] we have nothing to discuss here. So when Israel came into Canaan sometimes Moab attacked and

[00:24:30] rolled over them like they had those back and forth moments and that was described in

[00:24:35] Judges. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Later Ruth the Moabite was the great grandmother of King David

[00:24:42] and Davidson as parents to Moab for their protection when Saul was hunting them. Right.

[00:24:47] Remember all that. I do. David had to hide in a cave and a lot of caves actually. Yeah. And

[00:24:53] like it was more than one time he was close enough to pee on Saul or something. Well he

[00:24:58] was no Saul was peeing. Oh yeah. He was close enough to like grab his balls basically. Yeah.

[00:25:02] Yeah. Yeah. That was in 1 Samuel. Right. So yeah. When he was king David fought against and defeated

[00:25:10] Moab and that's in 2 Samuel and they became a vassal kingdom to Israel sometimes rebelling. Got it.

[00:25:18] So they never really disappeared. They just kept being there. Okay. And sometimes they would like

[00:25:25] gain a little bit of power and then Israel was back and back down. Right. It's just it

[00:25:30] pisses me off a little bit because God always back when they were talking about getting rid of all

[00:25:35] these people in Canaan he was like kill them all get rid of them all 100 percent across the board

[00:25:41] comment on it for like multiple you know maybe even multiple books. I'm not really sure but

[00:25:46] like they just kept popping up and we're like wait a minute. I thought they were gone. They

[00:25:50] kind of disappeared for a while in our readings. Yeah. And now here they are again. Right. And

[00:25:55] I'm like oh well so literally never never got taken care of apparently. Not at all. Not even

[00:26:02] didn't like kill them except for like one or two that got away. Right. Literally these are flourishing

[00:26:09] little tribes. Right. Like these are entire cities of people. Yeah. You know. Yeah. So

[00:26:15] this message was delivered sometime after the destruction of Jerusalem. The Moabites were in

[00:26:21] the neighborhood of the Ammonites and whatever evils fell on one would naturally involve the other.

[00:26:27] So just to give you some perspective on the situation Moab was one nation that tried to form

[00:26:34] an alliance with Judah against Babylon. And that makes sense. And even the the prophecy

[00:26:40] against Moab or about Moab was very very much like the prophecy for Judah. Yeah. I hate

[00:26:49] you die and then right at the other end but you will be have run in save you. It almost sounded

[00:26:57] dead on the same prophecy for Judah because they are cousins. Right. That's why. Yeah. So

[00:27:03] he's like I didn't choose you but I did not choose you. Right. So I guess you can kind of

[00:27:10] stay but mind your bees and queues Mr. They're like the Canada to the United States.

[00:27:16] Are they or are they the United States to the Canada. Well yeah. Yeah. I mean I don't know.

[00:27:25] I think we'll take you know you can come with us. Yeah. So the terror of judgment coming upon Moab

[00:27:32] is what the next few verses are about. Yeah. And Moab was super wealthy because important trade

[00:27:39] routes came through their land. Their treasures made them proud and self reliant. Got it. Yeah.

[00:27:45] Geographically Moab was more isolated than Israel and Judah both of which were located on the main

[00:27:51] trade routes in which we're also surrounded by several other kingdoms. Got it. OK. Moab's isolation

[00:27:58] enabled the city to escape many of the international upheavals which weakened its neighbors.

[00:28:04] And so that's why we didn't hear about them for a while because they were just flourishing over

[00:28:07] there. Yeah. And just making money. Right. They were like we got bank. Sure. We're good.

[00:28:13] We don't need we don't need to raid you for a bit. A few centuries you'll be fine. Right.

[00:28:18] Moreover other people don't need to raid them because they can just go there and buy their

[00:28:21] shit and go back and do whatever they need to do. Exactly. The Moabites were often able to

[00:28:26] strengthen themselves at their neighbor's expense though. Got it. So I guess they did send

[00:28:31] out a few raiding parties. Sure. And be like oh my god this yard sale like I can totally

[00:28:36] buy this candy dish here for like ten cents and then sell it for like five thousand dollars

[00:28:42] on eBay at Moab. Right. Yeah. That's how that went. Right. So Chimosh was somebody that was

[00:28:51] referenced in these early verses of this chapter and he was the national god of the

[00:28:58] Moabites and was sometimes used as a representation of the people themselves.

[00:29:02] So sometimes instead of saying Moab did this they would say Chimosh did this. Got it. So

[00:29:09] kind of like the way you would talk about the Christians like their god is Christ or what the

[00:29:16] fuck yeah. Right. So you would just talk about this tribe by the name of their god. Sure. And

[00:29:24] in their conquest the Babylonians would take the literal idols of Chimosh and the people

[00:29:29] of Chimosh into captivity. And the reason that we don't like Chimosh in particular

[00:29:38] is because the sacrificing of children was an important part of the Chimosh worshiping cult.

[00:29:44] Got it. So God was like you're gross. Right. Stop. Well more like other people were like

[00:29:49] you guys are gross. Yeah. But yeah. Yes. Point taken. Yes. Right. And recall that Solomon

[00:29:56] married Moabite women. Right. He married lots of women. Yeah. Some of which were Moabites.

[00:30:03] And didn't Moses also possibly marry a Moabite? Yeah. Oh we already covered that.

[00:30:07] Okay. Sorry. But Solomon built an altar to their god because remember he married women

[00:30:12] from all over. Yeah. He was just like trying to make business deals and fuck. Yeah. And like

[00:30:18] he just combined the two. Yeah. He was the networking king. You know what I mean.

[00:30:23] Yeah. And I bet that's what he called it too. Networking. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. So he built

[00:30:29] an altar to the Moabite god Chimosh and he erected a high place for Chimosh in Jerusalem.

[00:30:37] Oh wow. That was in first kings. Yeah. And so we did talk about that. Sure. And these were

[00:30:42] all demolished under Josiah's rule and that was in second kings. Got it. So you know he

[00:30:50] had all these different kinds of altars and ways to practice your religion for all the women that he

[00:30:58] married. Yeah. He brought that home and then when Josiah took over he demolished all of that.

[00:31:06] Well it was really funny to me when we were reading those chapters about him, Solomon that is.

[00:31:10] And like he was good most of the way through all of the books of Solomon but then right at

[00:31:15] the end they just tossed in the... But he did all these bad things and here they are in

[00:31:18] blah blah blah and he slept with all these women and he sucks. And the anyway. Yeah right.

[00:31:22] In the end. Yeah. I'm like oh shit. Right. And what I find really funny too is that like

[00:31:29] in reading the Bible we're supposed to hate him and think that he was doing terrible.

[00:31:34] And I think even at the time we were kind of led to that way of thinking. But since then

[00:31:39] I've been kind of thinking about it and I'm like actually he was a kind of good leader if

[00:31:45] he was trying to bring all of these different religions and allow people to practice whatever

[00:31:52] religions that they wanted. I don't think we were supposed to hate him. They actually referred

[00:31:56] to him quite well until that last chapter. But we were supposed to hate that part of him.

[00:32:02] Sure. That's what I mean. Yeah yeah. And I just like don't you know. Right right. So I'm like

[00:32:08] hmm I'm not. I'm kind of anti-religion but also freedom of religion like freedom from religion

[00:32:17] but also freedom of religion for sure. So I think it's kind of cool that he wasn't like this is the

[00:32:24] only religion we can practice here. He's like no man I got 500 wives and each one has a religion.

[00:32:30] Right. So I don't know there's something kind of cool about that. Yeah. So whatever. Anyway

[00:32:36] in verse eight they refer to a valley and that's the Jordan Valley which touched Moab on the west.

[00:32:44] And then we learn in the next few verses about a complacent Moab and how it must be emptied.

[00:32:53] So in verse 11 it says Moab has been at ease from his youth. He has settled on his dregs

[00:33:01] and has not been emptied from vessel to vessel nor has he gone into captivity. Therefore his taste

[00:33:07] remained in him and his scent has not changed. Basically they haven't been challenged. Yeah.

[00:33:13] And the reason I included that was because it like in context with everything else we were like

[00:33:19] there was a cup and there was drinking and there was this like there was too much

[00:33:23] and this verse by itself makes sense. Right. Like if you're not reading all the other

[00:33:28] things around it. Yeah. But we got really lost in all of the wine and drink and cup. Right.

[00:33:34] But yes this verse in particular is exactly what you said. This refers to the ancient process of

[00:33:41] refining wine. After fermentation the wine would sit in a jar or bottle and all the impurities the

[00:33:47] dregs would settle to the bottom kind of like coffee grounds in a cup of joe. Sure. Okay. And

[00:33:53] the liquid the liquid would then be carefully poured into another vessel leaving the dregs in

[00:33:59] the first vessel. Got it. And doing this a few times made for a wine with fewer impurities to

[00:34:04] spoil the taste. Okay. So one secret of the corruption of Moab had been that of its comparative ease

[00:34:14] so it hadn't been poured from one vessel to another. Right. Challenged like you said

[00:34:19] to get rid of those dregs. Got it. And as the city lay outside the normal route of the invaders

[00:34:27] of the Middle East it was thus rarely disturbed and Moab's self-renewing riches in its bountiful

[00:34:35] vineyards and flocks of sheep along with its lack of conflict with neighboring communities

[00:34:41] bred more complacency than character. It's funny that this you know Israel had

[00:34:46] so much trouble over the years and yet Moab who's not under God's purview seems to have flourished

[00:34:52] just fine for quite a long time. Yeah. And they were even the ones that were sacrificing children

[00:34:57] and shit. Yeah. I think as much as they talked about people who sacrificed children and things

[00:35:02] like that and idols and what have you, I think it must have really pissed off the Israelites

[00:35:07] because they seemed to harp on it a lot. Yeah. They're like those people over there are doing

[00:35:12] fine. What's why isn't our God treating us as well? Yeah. And to me that's a fair question. Right.

[00:35:18] Like assuming you believe in God. Right. Yeah. Like they were maybe I have to wonder like

[00:35:25] were they really sacrificing children as much as like the Bible says they were?

[00:35:29] Who knows. Yeah. I mean I don't know. I don't know. It just seems like no, no really.

[00:35:36] I don't know about that. I mean I can't speak to that because I don't know the answer to that.

[00:35:40] But obviously they were doing it sometimes. Right. And it was enough to make it into the

[00:35:45] Bible and bother them. Right. To be fair if there was any child sacrifice going on

[00:35:51] with any religious cult today I'd be very, you wouldn't take but one. Yeah. For me to be

[00:35:57] disturbed by it. Right. So you know. That is true. Yeah. Fair. Fair point. So having said all

[00:36:03] of that then we move into the calamity that is to come upon Moab. This is where you know

[00:36:10] Jeremiah starts like doing his speech of fine about how y'all gonna get it. Yeah. Y'all gonna get it.

[00:36:16] Right. And so then after he like repeats himself 10 times about how you guys are gonna get it

[00:36:23] then we learn the complete nature of the conquest of Moab. Okay. And Jeremiah listed at least

[00:36:31] 14 specific cities or landmarks in Moab urging them to humble themselves and prepare

[00:36:37] for the judgment to come. 14 specific cities or landmarks. Wow. That's a lot for like one

[00:36:46] chapter one city. Like I'm just kind of blown away because he mentions like a few here and

[00:36:54] there in the other chapters. Right. So it's interesting that we're talking about Moab

[00:36:59] which again was supposed to have been wiped out early on. Yeah. And yet here they are and

[00:37:09] you know, Jeremiah like knows them well enough and is comfortable with them and knowledgeable

[00:37:16] about them enough that he's naming all these different things about them. Right. Right.

[00:37:23] You look like you had something you wanted to add. No, no, no. I was I've got something

[00:37:26] I want to interject later that I wanted to look up real quick. So I did that. Oh, yeah. Not right

[00:37:31] at the moment. Okay. Okay. So we move on and then proud Moab thought itself better than Israel.

[00:37:39] And I mean kind of they were sorry but you know except for child sacrifice they were. Yes. So

[00:37:46] right fair enough. But proud Moab is going to be brought low and then there's going to

[00:37:53] be mourning for Moab because boohoo. You know, right. Right. And then we get unrelenting judgment

[00:38:02] except for it's not unrelenting because then there's a glimmer of hope. So I don't know why

[00:38:08] it's phrased as unrelenting when the glimmer of hope but it relents. Right. So fuck off with that.

[00:38:15] And when God sort of likes somebody or let's just be honest when the prophet who is talking

[00:38:21] or the people who are talking in the said book like somebody there's always that glimmer of hope

[00:38:25] at the end. Yeah. He's like I'm going to 100% kill you but 75% only. Right. And we we we talked about

[00:38:33] it during the chapters that we read recently and that's that the ones that they didn't really care

[00:38:38] about they didn't have those glimmers of hope. No, not at all. It was only the ones that

[00:38:41] they did like. Like Babylon. Right. They're the end hate you forever die. Right. Even though

[00:38:47] we'll get into them but right. Yeah, they don't actually get there. So verse 43 reads

[00:38:55] fear and the pit and the snare shall be upon you. Oh, inhabitant of Moab says the Lord

[00:39:02] he who flees from the fear shall fall into the pit and he who gets out of the pit shall

[00:39:07] be caught in the snare for upon Moab upon it I will bring the year of their punishment says

[00:39:13] the Lord and I remember when we read that that I was like that sounds so goddamn familiar. Like

[00:39:19] we have read this exact line somewhere. Right. Lo and behold these verses are freely borrowed from

[00:39:25] the book of Numbers. Oh, and they reflect Balem's earlier Oracle against Moab.

[00:39:32] Interesting. Yeah. Huh. I just I remember that there was like a snare and a trap and a climb

[00:39:37] out and even if you climb out of the trap you're still stuck in the snare. Well, that

[00:39:42] that goes to my thinking that these weren't written by Jeremiah or Baruch and they were

[00:39:46] written later in like during the Babylonian exile and it felt like they were written by

[00:39:51] somebody who was pulling information from these earlier. Yeah, these earlier books.

[00:39:56] Yes, because they were written in the style of the earlier books. Right. Right. Yeah. No,

[00:40:01] I totally agree with you there. Yeah. So verse 47 reads yet I will bring back

[00:40:07] the captives of Moab in the latter days says the Lord and the Moabites were partially restored

[00:40:14] but never again to their former glory and they were eventually swallowed up by Christianity. Oh,

[00:40:21] okay. So then they went away into history the end. Bye bye. Got it. Okay. Yeah. So now we are at

[00:40:29] Jeremiah chapter 49. Okay. Okay. Yep. And this is the prophecies concerning. Are you ready for

[00:40:36] it? I'm ready. The Ammonites, Edom, Damascus, Qadar and Hazor and Elam. That's right. It was a

[00:40:42] bunch of short little snippets inside that last chapter. Yes. Inside this chapter. It was. Yeah.

[00:40:48] Correct. Yeah. This is I think the last one because then 50 and 51 are about Babylon.

[00:40:55] So this will be the last chapter that we're Q and A'ing today. Okay. Yeah. So let's start

[00:41:01] with the judgment against Ammon. Okay. Yeah. The Ammonites lived north of the Moabites on the east

[00:41:08] side of the Jordan River in what is today Jordan whose capital today is Ammon. Got it. I did not

[00:41:16] know that. That's interesting. Right. The punishment of the Ammonites is mainly due to land grabbing

[00:41:22] or wrongful land acquisition. Okay. Okay. You know, like all of them. Right. But that was

[00:41:28] specifically their fucking crime. Yeah. Okay. So in the first verse, there's this question about

[00:41:36] Ammonite about the Ammonites having taken Israel's inheritance. Oh, okay. Like I don't know if you

[00:41:42] recall. So I'm just going to read part of it. Why then does Milcom inherit Gad and his people

[00:41:49] dwell in its cities? Yeah, I do. What the fuck is all that? Right. So the Ammonites occupied

[00:41:55] land that had been supposedly reserved for the tribes of Gad, Ruben and Maniasa.

[00:42:01] And I think we talked about that. Like I think we did mention that because I think it did strike

[00:42:06] me that that was one of the tribes that had that land. They were actually on the other side of

[00:42:09] the Jordan. And so yeah, but that because they really wasn't one of the state early on.

[00:42:15] Remember? Yep. And then we stopped again, there was a lot of tribes we stopped hearing

[00:42:19] about what they were one of the first ones we stopped hearing about. Yes. So yeah.

[00:42:23] Probably got swallowed up by this. Yeah. Yes. These people followed Milcom who was an Ammonite

[00:42:30] God equivalent to Moloch. Okay, all right. Marduk was another name that he went by in that area.

[00:42:38] One more interjection here because it strikes me that a lot of these

[00:42:43] these things that happened where the when their when their tribes started disappearing

[00:42:48] for reasons, right? We didn't hear about them. We didn't hear about these things happening.

[00:42:54] All we started hearing about was this general consensus that they were doing wrong in the

[00:42:59] eyes of God and we just stopped hearing about them entirely. Right. And so it was

[00:43:05] an easy way to forget about that big deal they made about all these 12 tribes. Yeah.

[00:43:11] Right. And then all of a sudden it's just all Judah. Yeah. And Benjamin makes it a little

[00:43:17] further into it than some of the other tribes, but like it was mostly just Judah. Yeah. Right.

[00:43:22] And I just think it's funny that we then later cover these tribes that got swallowed up by other

[00:43:30] groups that they never got rid of in the first place that they were supposed to. Yeah. And

[00:43:35] and it's not they're not making any big deal of it. It just happened. Yeah. You know,

[00:43:39] like we're mad at these people because they did this thing to our tribes, but like

[00:43:43] you were mad at those tribes because they weren't worshiping God correctly. So which is it? Yeah. And

[00:43:49] what are you, what, why didn't we cover this already? Why weren't we talking about this when

[00:43:53] it happened? Why didn't you write something down about this? I bet you did, but I bet it

[00:43:56] didn't make it into the Bible. And gee, I wonder why. So, um, Marjuk, Moloch, Milcom,

[00:44:04] whatever you want to call it. Yeah. He had been worshipped here with rights of child

[00:44:08] sacrifice since before the days of Moses. Oh, okay. All right. Like, damn. So this was Canaan.

[00:44:16] I mean, this was, yeah. So, okay. So that tracks, right? Which essentially we've talked about this

[00:44:21] too, but Canaan is probably where the Israelites came from anyway. Right. Exactly. They all

[00:44:27] kind of spawned from the same thing. This was essentially Israelites were just a different

[00:44:32] sect of Canaanites. That's all there was to it. Exactly. Exactly. So we talk about the coming days

[00:44:39] of judgment for the Ammonites and God through Jeremiah promised a day when Israel would possess

[00:44:47] these lands on the eastern side of the Jordan River. It can be argued, of course, that this

[00:44:52] prophecy is yet to be fulfilled given that historically this has not taken place. Right.

[00:44:58] I was like, yeah, it's good of you to mention that. Now, apologists come in and they're like,

[00:45:04] but revelations though, which I'm like, okay, spoiler alerts because we're not there yet,

[00:45:10] but I guess it's yet to come or whatever. According to the Christian Bible and according

[00:45:16] to the craziest book in the Christian Bible from what I understand. Right. Exactly. So,

[00:45:20] I mean, whatever. Yeah. Do with that, what you will, I guess. Yeah. Totally. So then we

[00:45:25] talk about the coming captivity and a promise of mercy. Yeah, right. Right. Sound familiar?

[00:45:32] The standard. Yeah. The standard. All right. So that was the Ammonites. Okay. Yeah. Now we're doing

[00:45:37] the Edomites. Okay. They were also a cousin nation to Israel. Sure. Their founder was Esau,

[00:45:44] the son of Isaac and twin brother to Jacob. Wasn't Esau the one that wrestled God in the

[00:45:49] desert? I believe so. Yeah. Yes. They also lived in the lands east of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea

[00:45:57] toward the South Mountains and Deserts. Okay. Okay. Sure. Then we talk about the time of Edom's

[00:46:04] punishment and while Judah was being pressed upon by Nebuchadnezzar in 589 to 587 BCE,

[00:46:13] Edom not only gave assistance but seems to have collaborated with the Babylonians.

[00:46:20] Oh. Right? Okay. And so I'm like, oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay. So like this is the part that I

[00:46:30] love. I love the politics. The political intrigue is your jam. Right. Yeah. And it makes it

[00:46:38] that much more likely that Jeremiah and Baruch were probably in cahoots with this whole thing.

[00:46:44] Yeah. Because other nations were too. Not only other nations but other nations that are closely

[00:46:49] related to Israel slash Judah, whatever. Like they're, it doesn't, it's not a far cry to say that

[00:46:56] somebody important was several, several somebody's several important somebody's because

[00:47:04] Jeremiah had some friends in high places. Yeah. But it doesn't make, it totally makes sense that

[00:47:11] they would be pushing this mantra, this idea. Yeah. So. Yeah. So I mean, this did nothing but

[00:47:18] confirm that further. Right. You know? Yeah. So then we call about a call to trust despite

[00:47:24] losing everything. Okay. Like, you know, you still got to just trust God. He's going to

[00:47:28] take care of you. Yeah, whatever. Okay. The cup of judgment for proud Edom and then the

[00:47:34] astonishing judgment to come upon Edom. Okay. Yeah. So whatever. The end of that. Okay. So I

[00:47:41] don't know what happens to the Edomites but. This is another reason I don't believe Jeremiah wrote

[00:47:46] this shit is because Jeremiah was all about giving up to the fucking Babylonians. Yeah.

[00:47:50] And if they were helping the Babylonians, then he didn't give a fuck about the

[00:47:53] Edomites. Yeah. So whatever. Yeah. So we move on to Damascus now. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We talk about

[00:48:00] weak Damascus ready for judgment. Yeah, they didn't. There was no coming back for Damascus from what I

[00:48:05] recall. Let's talk about them. Okay. I have a few more notes on Damascus than the other

[00:48:12] sure areas. Okay. Okay. Damascus is the famous city of Syria and it is one of Israel's neighbors

[00:48:19] to the north. Sure. Damascus is one of the oldest continually occupied cities of the world. Okay. So

[00:48:26] yeah. Cool. Cool. Cool. Very. It was taken by David in Second Samuel, then was retaken in the

[00:48:33] reign of Solomon in First Kings and regained its independence for a time. And the city has been

[00:48:39] conquered by Assyria in 732 BCE in Second Kings. Okay. So it keeps it takes a licking and

[00:48:48] keeps on ticking. Right. Yeah. It's kings were often at war with the 10 tribes and once it joined

[00:48:55] with them for the destruction of Judah. Huh. Interesting. Yeah. To I kind of vaguely remember

[00:49:02] something like that happening actually there was I don't remember what book it was in or what

[00:49:07] chapter or anything but I remember that there was people that came from those tribes to talk to

[00:49:13] the hell. I'm losing I can't I can't catch the threat but I know exactly what I'm thinking of.

[00:49:19] There's too many kings and too many cities right. Yeah. Too many skirmishes but it was like

[00:49:26] there was a reference to this it just wasn't spelled out. Right. And I I if I can come up

[00:49:31] with it I'll try to come up with it and get back to everybody. Yeah. I just I I'm having

[00:49:37] a hard time as I always say putting what we're reading today with what we've already read. Right.

[00:49:43] Because I didn't grasp it fully the first time around. Sure. I can see why people read through

[00:49:49] the Bible more than once because you read it through once just to get the story and then

[00:49:54] you read it again to put all those pieces together. Right. It's like watching the movie

[00:49:59] Memento. Right. Like you watch it once just to have watched it and then you watch it again going

[00:50:07] or like the sixth sense. Right. Yeah. So not to compare this trash literature with those fine films.

[00:50:16] Right. Because those are good movies and this is not. Yeah. Good at all. Okay. So defend

[00:50:22] to defend himself against these powerful enemies. A has made a league with the king of Assyria

[00:50:30] who besieged Damascus and demolished it. From that time we hear nothing of Damascus

[00:50:37] until we meet with it in this prophecy. So it was another one that we like here about and then

[00:50:43] never again until now today. Right. We're like oh there you are. Yeah. Okay. It appears to have

[00:50:48] been rebuilt and restored to some consequence. It made an obstinate resistance to Nebuchadnezzar

[00:50:55] but was at last taken and sacked by him. At present it is both a large and populous city

[00:51:03] with considerable commerce. Yeah. And the reference to the sea must be figurative because Syria

[00:51:11] had no coast had no sea coast in ancient times. So suggestions as to the meaning are maybe

[00:51:18] restlessness or trouble like you know troubled waters kind of thing like a sea storm,

[00:51:25] roiling waters, unstable that kind of thing. Yeah. Okay. So then we read about Damascus gets defeated

[00:51:33] but not depopulated. Okay. And scholars have a lot of difficulty fitting this prophecy into

[00:51:40] any recorded event related to Damascus. It seems to be an ongoing issue with some of these prophecies

[00:51:46] in this section here. Interesting, right? Yeah. This prophecy must have been given early in

[00:51:52] Jeremiah's career for his ministry began in 627 BCE and Babylon's conquest of Assyria occurred

[00:52:01] only 15 years later in 612 BCE. Okay. This is bullshit. They're trying so hard to make

[00:52:10] this a prophecy. It's not a fucking prophecy. It was written in the Babylonian exile. Yeah.

[00:52:15] Totally. We talked about this all the way through these sections and they can apologize

[00:52:21] all they want to for this shit but this was not Jeremiah and Baruch writing these things.

[00:52:25] No, not at all. And it sounds every bit of it sounds like it was written

[00:52:30] post exile or during exile. And in the style of the Deuteronomy books, the Deuteronomy.

[00:52:39] You will not convince me that these things were written by Baruch or Jeremiah. There's no way.

[00:52:44] They may have been influenced by or there may have been a couple of sections that were actually

[00:52:50] written by them but for the most part, these things were not written there. Totally agree. 100%.

[00:52:58] So that was that chapter. Yeah. Okay. So now we're going to move on to the judgment against

[00:53:04] Qadar and Hazor. Okay. So Qadar describes a tribe of Arabic peoples descended from Ishmael according

[00:53:15] to the book of Genesis. Sure. Okay. Is Isaiah prophesied against Qadar, a powerful tribe who

[00:53:23] used to traffic with the Tyrians in cattle? Wait, did you say Isaiah? Yes. What about it? Say

[00:53:29] that one more time? Isaiah prophesied against Qadar, a powerful tribe who used to traffic with

[00:53:36] the Tyrians in cattle. Why are we talking about Isaiah? I have no idea. Okay. Okay. The Qadar

[00:53:42] peoples were nomadic and you know what? I wonder if I did that. I wonder if I accidentally

[00:53:47] brought Isaiah instead of Jeremiah. That could totally have been what happened. So

[00:53:53] let's just pretend that that says Jeremiah. Okay. All right. I'm not sure how much. Are you sure you

[00:54:00] didn't look up the wrong thing or? No, no, no. Okay. I'm fairly certain actually that I can kind

[00:54:08] of recall that it said he blah, blah, blah, blah, and that I typed the name so that I would

[00:54:15] remember the note. Yeah. And so I'm pretty sure that I typed Isaiah instead of Jeremiah

[00:54:22] because we've done that a few times because Isaiah kept being there. All right. Yeah. So,

[00:54:29] okay, Jeremiah prophesied against Qadar, a powerful tribe who used to traffic with the Tyrians in

[00:54:35] cattle. Okay. The Qadar peoples were nomadic and they lived in tents. They kept flocks of sheep

[00:54:43] and they were shrewd traitors. Okay. So then we get into a word against Qadar and Hazor.

[00:54:50] Okay. Okay. So they reference a third group. I don't know if you recall that and we were like a

[00:54:58] third group, third people. What are you talking about? Right. Okay. There is no consensus on

[00:55:04] whether the third group is actually just referencing them or if it's an actual separate

[00:55:12] third group of people. But some think that they were the people of the East and they are known

[00:55:20] in other parts of the Old Testament and these people are associated with Midianites and Amalekites

[00:55:27] and they are nomadic groups who raided Israelite territory in the days of judges. Got it. Okay.

[00:55:33] So we're, I think it's probably they're talking about these other tribes that lived in the East.

[00:55:42] Okay. They talk about conquest and plunder and that's why they're going to get it and there's no

[00:55:47] reprieve for them. Got it. We ate them or whatever. Yeah. Okay. So then we move on to Elam. Okay.

[00:55:53] Okay. Elamites. Yeah. Okay. So Elam is the ancient names for some of the peoples of Persia

[00:56:01] in modern day Iran. Okay. The Persians were at first allies to the Babylonians

[00:56:08] and later they conquered the Babylonian Empire. Oh, so is this that other group that maybe they

[00:56:15] talked about? Is the Persians the other Northern whatever possibly? Yes. Kind of. Yes. All right.

[00:56:22] This prophecy is about their eventual conquest and fall which we're going to get to. Got it.

[00:56:27] Yeah. So Elam is going to be conquered and scattered. Got it. Yeah. And they were a

[00:56:33] powerful kingdom more than 200 miles east of Babylon. Okay. And that was the most

[00:56:40] distant nation referred to by Jeremiah. Got it. Okay. That was kind of a big deal. Sure.

[00:56:45] Sousa, the ancient capital of Elam now known as Shush is close to a thousand miles east of

[00:56:54] Jerusalem on modern roads. Wow. For an idea of just how far reaching and problematic

[00:57:01] Babylon's imperialism was. Yeah. Yeah. Like that was far reaching. Right. So this news started coming

[00:57:07] in and they're like, Jesus. Yeah. They're like, what the fuck? Right. What's a Babylon? Right. Yeah.

[00:57:13] So I say, see, I did it again. Isaiah supposed to be. And I looked up you are correct. This is

[00:57:18] Jeremiah. Yeah. But you didn't write it down correctly. I didn't. And I apologize. So I don't

[00:57:25] it just happens. Yeah. I do a thing. Right. So Jeremiah makes a reference to the role of Elam's

[00:57:33] powerful skilled archers in the conquest of Jerusalem where they served as allies to the

[00:57:39] Babylonians. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And the message concerning the ancient kingdom of Elam came

[00:57:45] at the beginning of Zedekiah's reign. And at that time, Zedekiah was trying to form an

[00:57:51] alliance with other nations west of Babylon with the aid of resisting the spread or with the aim

[00:57:59] of resisting the spread of Babylon's power. Got it. Okay. Yeah. So they were like, stop those

[00:58:05] fuckers. Right. And that didn't happen. Right. So Elam is supposed to be going under disaster

[00:58:14] and under mercy in the latter days. So we like them. They get to have a remnant. All right.

[00:58:19] One more vote, all that. That's nice for them. So this is one of those things where the Babylonians

[00:58:26] never conquered Elam. Right. Yeah. And when compared with other prophecies of Jeremiah

[00:58:32] against foreign nations, this one against Elam does not mention Nebuchadnezzar but refers

[00:58:39] only to enemies in general. So got it. That's how they're able to say no, it's still yet

[00:58:45] to come. Got it. Yeah. History records that Elam later became part of Persia, which in turn

[00:58:52] conquered Babylon. Okay. So not only didn't Elam. Right. They were part of the

[00:58:59] the conquered. Yeah. Yeah. Opposite opposite. Right. So okay. There you go. Okay. Yeah. So

[00:59:05] that wraps up part one of the unit about the oracles to the other nations. Just so

[00:59:12] you were aware part one lasted about an hour. Oh my God. Yeah. So that was a lot of information.

[00:59:18] I'm so glad that we broke this up. Yeah. With the amount of time you were taking research and all

[00:59:23] this stuff, and I was like, is this going to be like a three hour fucking episode? It would have

[00:59:28] been. Yeah. I mean, I just, I was like, we have to do something and we can't just not do our

[00:59:34] podcast because you can't stop finding information. So well, okay, but you can see how this

[00:59:40] keeps going and going and going. Yeah. Yeah. I do have a question though. Yes. So

[00:59:46] you know how when we came across that magic spell that's coming up in the next Q&A that

[00:59:52] we're gonna do this part two basically. Yes. In chapter 51. Yeah. And magic spell slash curse,

[00:59:58] whatever, right? So there's a person that we want to interview at some point and we

[01:00:04] probably will in the near future. And he's a former pastor of ours who actually married us

[01:00:11] and is now an atheist, which is interesting enough. Yeah. So that fantastic. And this

[01:00:18] individual, which I for now we'll leave unnamed, they studied quite a bit of biblical history

[01:00:27] and they know a lot of things. So anyway, long story short,

[01:00:31] They're very versed in Judaism and Christianity. Right. Yes. Very. And so I reached out to them

[01:00:38] about this and my idea about what had happened and got some positive feedback on it, which

[01:00:44] made me very happy because we could not find information directly anywhere about what

[01:00:50] was that a magic spell? Right. Yeah. But there were some things mentioned about

[01:00:56] Zoastrianism and different things like that. And I'm hoping that maybe you're covering some of

[01:01:01] that aspect of it when we get to that. We will see. Okay. All right. I mean, okay. Because

[01:01:09] that's the part that I'm like, what? I know you're chomping at the bit. Yeah. So that concludes

[01:01:17] our part one Q&A for these weird chapters in this unit. Yeah. The next

[01:01:27] part two will cover chapters 50, 51 and 52. Sure. And that will be all about Babylon

[01:01:36] and that weird post script. And then we will talk about the unit as a whole. And magic spells.

[01:01:45] And hopefully magic spells. I mean, I'm just saying. I know. I hear you. All right. I hear

[01:01:52] you. So that was our Q&A for today. Yes it was. And not on Saturday. Not on Saturday. I'm not

[01:01:58] even going to try to attempt to see to even say what's going to be happening in the near

[01:02:02] future. I know because I fucked this all up. Hypothetically. We'll be back tomorrow-ish

[01:02:08] with part two. With part two. Although I'm releasing this late

[01:02:13] on the night that we're putting it out because we have been so far behind. So

[01:02:18] yeah, we've got another episode coming and at some point very soon. Yes. And that's the

[01:02:24] best I can say right now because there's so much fucking information. There is.

[01:02:29] So- Which makes it interesting and fun. This is what we do. Yeah. Definitely. But that being

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