Jeremiah Contradictions: Bible Study BY Atheists

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[00:01:16] Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse.

[00:01:17] I'm husband.

[00:01:18] And I'm wife.

[00:01:19] Together we're reading the Bible for the very first time.

[00:01:22] We grew up without religion and wanted to know what all the fuss was about.

[00:01:26] Well, what have we learned so far?

[00:01:27] That God is a dick and apparently some people believe in talking donkeys.

[00:01:32] We're not trying to pass ourselves off as experts.

[00:01:34] Nope, we're just reading the Bible for the first time and giving our first take reaction.

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[00:01:44] Alright, let's go read the Bible.

[00:01:46] Yeah, let's get to it.

[00:01:50] Husband!

[00:01:51] Wife!

[00:01:52] Guess what?

[00:01:53] Uh, well I think we are absolutely finishing up Jeremiah.

[00:01:58] For 100% sure.

[00:02:00] Which means that this episode is our contradictions episode.

[00:02:04] Um, you're always wrong.

[00:02:07] It's what it's actually called.

[00:02:09] Because you're always wrong.

[00:02:11] But okay, yeah, yeah.

[00:02:14] So it's our contradictions episode where I'm always fucking wrong.

[00:02:17] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:18] And uh...

[00:02:19] Because the Bible can never let you be right.

[00:02:21] It's not my fault.

[00:02:22] No, okay, okay.

[00:02:23] You have some good contradictions for us today?

[00:02:25] Yes, I do.

[00:02:26] And are you ready to go contradict?

[00:02:30] Sure as fuck I am.

[00:02:31] Alright, let's go do this.

[00:02:32] Okie dokie.

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[00:04:10] Okie dokie, here we go.

[00:04:13] Contradictions, you're always wrong.

[00:04:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:04:17] You ready for this?

[00:04:18] I'm ready.

[00:04:19] Okay, question one.

[00:04:20] Hey husband.

[00:04:21] Yeah.

[00:04:22] How long does God's anger last and do you want multiple choice?

[00:04:26] Uh...

[00:04:27] Yeah, give me...

[00:04:28] I mean, give me multiple choice.

[00:04:30] Okay.

[00:04:31] God's anger lasts, hold on, just a sec or super long time or four, uh, vrrr.

[00:04:40] Vrrr, vrrr, vrrr.

[00:04:41] Well, I'm gonna go with super long time because he tends to...

[00:04:47] Multi-generational anger is a thing.

[00:04:49] He's a little pissy.

[00:04:50] He does it all the fucking time.

[00:04:51] Yeah, yeah, you're right.

[00:04:53] It's a super long time as we read in numbers and the Lord's anger was kindled against

[00:04:58] Israel and he made them wander in the wilderness for 40 years.

[00:05:01] That's a super long time.

[00:05:02] That's a lot of anger.

[00:05:03] Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:04] Okay, but also you're always wrong.

[00:05:07] Of course.

[00:05:08] Because, nah, his anger didn't last that long.

[00:05:11] No.

[00:05:12] For his anger, endurance, but a moment according to Psalms.

[00:05:15] Okay.

[00:05:16] But also, but also that should last forever because you have kindled a fire in mind anger

[00:05:24] which shall burn literally forever.

[00:05:28] And that was in the book of Jeremiah.

[00:05:30] Well, I mean, you know, if you look at it from the point of view of they call it in

[00:05:36] the original sin, right?

[00:05:38] That's forever.

[00:05:39] Yeah.

[00:05:40] He's forever angry at humanity for that, I guess.

[00:05:42] He's big mad all the time.

[00:05:44] Yeah, whatever.

[00:05:45] Fuck him.

[00:05:46] Yep, it's true.

[00:05:48] So number two.

[00:05:49] Hey husband.

[00:05:50] Yeah.

[00:05:51] Is God merciful?

[00:05:53] Ooh, I'm going to go with the general overall consensus on the Old Testament and say no.

[00:06:00] He's an asshole.

[00:06:01] Yeah, I got plenty of examples of that.

[00:06:03] Yeah.

[00:06:04] Let's see, in numbers we read, and the Lord said to Moses, take all the heads of the

[00:06:08] people and hang them up before the Lord against the sun that the fierce anger of the Lord

[00:06:13] may be turned away from Israel.

[00:06:15] Jesus.

[00:06:16] Yeah, like hang those people up.

[00:06:17] Right, yeah.

[00:06:18] That's pretty.

[00:06:19] That's some anger right there.

[00:06:20] That's not mercy.

[00:06:21] No.

[00:06:22] In verse Samuel we read, now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have and

[00:06:28] spare them not but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.

[00:06:34] Okay.

[00:06:35] Yeah, so yeah, totally not merciful.

[00:06:37] Right.

[00:06:38] Then later in verse Samuel we read, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord

[00:06:42] even he smote of the people 50,000 and three score and ten men.

[00:06:48] Jesus.

[00:06:49] That's a lot of people.

[00:06:50] Yeah, that's.

[00:06:51] He looked in the ark.

[00:06:52] Right, what an asshole.

[00:06:54] He's a dick.

[00:06:55] He's a fucking dick.

[00:06:56] Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:57] And then okay, last example of how he's not merciful.

[00:06:59] Yeah.

[00:07:00] In Jeremiah we read, I will not pity nor spare nor have mercy but destroy.

[00:07:06] Just to be clear though, there are a lot more examples of him not being merciful.

[00:07:11] Oh yeah, no, those are just the good ends that I like grabbed up.

[00:07:14] Sure.

[00:07:15] You know, and I wanted to make sure to have one from Jeremiah because that's

[00:07:18] the point of this.

[00:07:19] Right, and I just didn't want to left unsaid that.

[00:07:21] Right.

[00:07:22] But there is a time especially in Jeremiah when he was merciful.

[00:07:28] Wait so he wasn't merciful and he is merciful in the same book?

[00:07:31] Yeah, because you know why?

[00:07:32] You're always wrong.

[00:07:35] So in the same book, yeah, in Jeremiah he was merciful.

[00:07:38] He said, I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you for I am merciful sayeth

[00:07:44] the Lord and I will not keep anger forever.

[00:07:48] Couldn't it possibly be that the Bible is always wrong?

[00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:52] I mean, I'm just saying.

[00:07:53] But I can't talk to the Bible whereas I am asking these questions of you.

[00:07:57] Right, I just wanted to toss that out there.

[00:08:00] This is all a game, don't argue with me.

[00:08:02] Okay.

[00:08:03] Okay, number three.

[00:08:04] Ready?

[00:08:05] Oh yeah.

[00:08:06] Husband, does God ever get furious?

[00:08:09] Yes.

[00:08:10] Yeah, I have two examples from the book of Jeremiah.

[00:08:16] The first one is, and I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and with

[00:08:21] a strong arm even in anger and in fury and in great wrath.

[00:08:27] He's big mad again.

[00:08:28] Yeah, he is.

[00:08:29] Then later on he says, behold the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury.

[00:08:35] So yeah, he totally gets furious.

[00:08:36] Right.

[00:08:37] But guess what?

[00:08:38] He doesn't sometimes.

[00:08:39] Right because you're always wrong.

[00:08:42] Okay.

[00:08:43] Isaiah, it says fury's not in me, bro.

[00:08:46] Oh, yeah.

[00:08:47] I take issue with that.

[00:08:49] Fury's not in me.

[00:08:50] Okay.

[00:08:51] He said so.

[00:08:52] Yeah, boy right.

[00:08:53] Yeah, even as he said, I'm furious and my anger will last forever.

[00:08:56] I don't have anger what?

[00:08:58] Yeah, he's totally, what's that?

[00:09:00] He's gaslighting people.

[00:09:02] And yeah, he's bipolar, he's a narcissist.

[00:09:04] Right.

[00:09:05] He's all kinds of fucked up.

[00:09:07] He's a dick.

[00:09:08] Yeah.

[00:09:09] Number four, husband.

[00:09:10] Yeah.

[00:09:11] He commanded the Israelites to make him burnt offerings and animal sacrifices.

[00:09:16] Yes.

[00:09:17] Yeah, he did, right?

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:19] I mean like that's like the whole, we had a whole book where it was all nothing but learning

[00:09:24] how to do goddamn sacrifices and burnt offerings.

[00:09:27] And what sides of the tent to do it on and which way to face.

[00:09:30] Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:31] Blood.

[00:09:32] Yeah, so that was Exodus.

[00:09:34] And so I have two examples.

[00:09:37] One reads, we will go three days journey into the wilderness and sacrifice to the Lord our

[00:09:42] God as he shall command us.

[00:09:44] Okay.

[00:09:45] So literally he commanded them.

[00:09:46] Yeah, right, right.

[00:09:47] And then later on in Exodus it reads, an altar of earth shall thou make unto me and

[00:09:53] shall sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings and thy peace offerings, thy sheep and thy

[00:10:00] noxen.

[00:10:01] In all places where I record my name I will come unto thee and I will bless thee

[00:10:05] there.

[00:10:06] So I mean those are big yeses but guess what?

[00:10:09] I'm probably wrong.

[00:10:11] You're always wrong.

[00:10:12] I'm always wrong, yeah.

[00:10:13] Because remember we even said this in Jeremiah like excuse you?

[00:10:17] Right.

[00:10:18] Okay, in Jeremiah chapter seven it reads, thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel,

[00:10:24] put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices and eat flesh.

[00:10:29] For I speak not unto your fathers nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out

[00:10:34] of the land of Egypt concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.

[00:10:38] That was really said, I don't even remember that.

[00:10:40] I remember it was said and I remember man you go what bro you're...

[00:10:44] Yeah, that's fucked up.

[00:10:45] Yeah, you're wrong.

[00:10:46] Yeah.

[00:10:47] You're wrong Bible.

[00:10:48] Yeah.

[00:10:49] Go home your drunk Bible.

[00:10:50] All right, number five husband.

[00:10:52] Yeah.

[00:10:53] How should strangers be treated?

[00:10:55] Do you want multiple choice?

[00:10:57] No, but strangers should be treated with kindness and you know equity and like they should

[00:11:03] be treated well.

[00:11:04] Okay, okay.

[00:11:05] Because you know that why wouldn't you?

[00:11:07] Yeah, so they should be treated with love according to Leviticus the stranger that dwelleth

[00:11:12] with you shall be unto you as one born among you and thou shalt love him as thyself.

[00:11:17] And they should be treated with justice as you said in Deuteronomy thou shalt not

[00:11:21] pervert the judgment of the stranger.

[00:11:24] They should be treated with equity as you said in Jeremiah it says oppress not

[00:11:29] the stranger.

[00:11:30] Right.

[00:11:31] And then they should be treated peacefully because in Jeremiah also it says do no violence to

[00:11:37] the stranger but guess what?

[00:11:42] I'm wrong, I guess.

[00:11:43] You're always wrong because in several places in the book of numbers it says the stranger

[00:11:49] that cometh nigh shall be put to death.

[00:11:53] Jesus.

[00:11:54] Yeah.

[00:11:55] So you know whichever way you go is fine.

[00:12:00] Sure, yeah.

[00:12:01] Okay, number six husband.

[00:12:03] Yeah.

[00:12:04] Do evildoers prosper?

[00:12:06] I mean yes.

[00:12:08] Yes they do.

[00:12:10] The tabernacles of robbers prosper and they that provoke God are secure into whose hands

[00:12:16] God bringeth abundantly.

[00:12:18] That's from the book of Job and we complained about that with him.

[00:12:21] Yeah.

[00:12:22] And in Jeremiah it says wherefore doth the way of the wicked prosper, wherefore are all

[00:12:28] they happy that deal very treacherously.

[00:12:31] Remember that's when Jeremiah was getting pissy with God and was like this sucks and we were

[00:12:36] like you sound like Job bro.

[00:12:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:39] But guess what?

[00:12:40] I'm wrong.

[00:12:41] We're always wrong.

[00:12:42] Yeah.

[00:12:43] In this one we're always wrong.

[00:12:44] Sure.

[00:12:45] Because do evildoers prosper?

[00:12:46] No.

[00:12:47] No.

[00:12:48] They are wicked and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate and that's from Psalms.

[00:12:53] I see.

[00:12:54] Okay.

[00:12:55] So number seven husband do humans have free will?

[00:13:00] Oh, this is one of those questions that's debatable actually even scientifically.

[00:13:06] Yes.

[00:13:07] But I'm going to go with yes.

[00:13:12] That sounds like a fine answer.

[00:13:14] Sure.

[00:13:15] Yeah.

[00:13:16] In Deuteronomy it reads I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing therefore

[00:13:21] choose life.

[00:13:22] Sure.

[00:13:23] You know or kill yourself whichever.

[00:13:25] I mean don't.

[00:13:26] Don't.

[00:13:27] Don't guys.

[00:13:28] Right.

[00:13:29] Don't.

[00:13:30] I was just putting that out there as like a free will thing.

[00:13:34] But everybody be happy and live and do good things.

[00:13:38] Right.

[00:13:39] Yes.

[00:13:40] Okay.

[00:13:41] But guess what?

[00:13:42] I'm always wrong.

[00:13:43] But so am I obviously.

[00:13:45] Yeah.

[00:13:46] Um, yeah in Jeremiah it reads Oh Lord I know that the way of man is not in himself.

[00:13:53] It is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

[00:13:58] It's all God.

[00:13:59] God's doing the whole thing.

[00:14:00] He's pulling all the strings.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:02] Yep.

[00:14:03] So there's that.

[00:14:04] That's the case that makes him even worse than.

[00:14:07] Oh yeah.

[00:14:08] You know what I'm saying?

[00:14:09] Like if he if he's the one making all the things happen and we've discussed

[00:14:12] this at points throughout the Bible.

[00:14:13] Yeah.

[00:14:14] Like that makes him even worse.

[00:14:15] No totally agree because it's like wait so you're literally watching us and you're like

[00:14:21] making our strings go up and down and like we kill rape pillage.

[00:14:26] Yay.

[00:14:27] Like that's gross.

[00:14:28] Yeah.

[00:14:29] Yeah.

[00:14:30] All right.

[00:14:31] So number eight husband we've asked this one before how many gods are there?

[00:14:36] Uh, well zero.

[00:14:38] Right.

[00:14:39] But that's not one of your choices unfortunately for the purposes of this game.

[00:14:44] For the purposes of the Bible I'm going to go with multiple and they're even mentioned

[00:14:51] in Jeremiah because I remember them mentioning Belle and different things like that which

[00:14:54] isn't necessarily a God but it's a reference to a God.

[00:14:57] Yes.

[00:14:58] That is true.

[00:14:59] Yeah.

[00:15:00] So yeah there are several gods and starting in Genesis it said and God said let us

[00:15:06] make man in our image.

[00:15:08] So he's like referring to himself and not just the third person but the plural third person.

[00:15:13] Yeah.

[00:15:14] Okay.

[00:15:15] And then in Deuteronomy it says for the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords.

[00:15:20] Right.

[00:15:21] Meaning there's others but I am the biggest.

[00:15:23] Yeah.

[00:15:24] And then in Joshua it says your father's dwelt on the other side of the flood

[00:15:29] in old time even Tara the father of Abraham and the father of Nacor and they served

[00:15:36] other gods.

[00:15:37] Hmm.

[00:15:38] Hmm.

[00:15:39] Yeah they did.

[00:15:40] Right.

[00:15:41] Okay and then in Psalms it says among the gods there is none like unto thee O Lord so

[00:15:46] there's a bunch, there's a bunch.

[00:15:48] But none like you.

[00:15:49] Right.

[00:15:50] And then in second Chronicles it says great is our God above all gods and then in

[00:15:56] Jeremiah here we go.

[00:15:58] Okay.

[00:15:59] It says the gods that have not made the heavens and the earth even they shall

[00:16:04] perish from the earth and from under these heavens.

[00:16:08] Okay.

[00:16:09] So he gon get them.

[00:16:10] Right.

[00:16:11] Like he's been saying that for ages right?

[00:16:12] Yeah.

[00:16:13] Yeah.

[00:16:14] Okay and then again in Jeremiah it says I'm about to bring punishment on a

[00:16:17] man, God of thieves, on Pharaoh, on Egypt and her gods and her kings and on those who

[00:16:23] rely on Pharaoh.

[00:16:25] I'm a getcha.

[00:16:27] I think that, well I think even with regard to the God of the Bible right, Yahweh and

[00:16:36] the other gods of other cultures like we even read this in Jeremiah or learned about it

[00:16:40] in Jeremiah anyway is that a lot of cultures were referenced by the name of their God.

[00:16:46] Right?

[00:16:47] Yeah.

[00:16:48] And I think that even applies to Yahweh.

[00:16:50] Yes.

[00:16:51] You know this is just how these people identified themselves as this God was their

[00:16:57] God right?

[00:16:59] So there's all these gods and they want this one to be the best real bad but you know it's

[00:17:04] really not a God but it's more just their identification as a culture and a people.

[00:17:09] You know similarly high schoolers identify themselves by their school mascot like I was

[00:17:14] a centurion.

[00:17:15] Sure.

[00:17:16] What were you?

[00:17:17] I was a Spartan.

[00:17:18] See?

[00:17:19] Yeah.

[00:17:20] And that's what we were right?

[00:17:21] Were we those things though?

[00:17:22] No.

[00:17:23] But that's how we identify culturally.

[00:17:26] Sure.

[00:17:27] As teenagers.

[00:17:28] Yeah.

[00:17:29] Yeah.

[00:17:30] But again you're always wrong of course there's only one God according to Deuteronomy unto

[00:17:37] thee it was showed that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God there is none else

[00:17:43] beside him.

[00:17:44] You know?

[00:17:45] There's only the one.

[00:17:46] Right.

[00:17:47] Okay?

[00:17:48] You got it?

[00:17:49] I'm sure.

[00:17:50] Yeah.

[00:17:51] Do you got that math?

[00:17:52] I've got it yeah.

[00:17:53] All right.

[00:17:54] I can count to one.

[00:17:55] Can you?

[00:17:56] Husband.

[00:17:57] Yes.

[00:17:58] Does God repent?

[00:17:59] I do recall that happening at some point so I'm going to go with yes.

[00:18:06] So he does in Genesis he says and it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth

[00:18:12] and it grieved him at his heart so he fucking hated that he made us and then in 1 Samuel

[00:18:18] it says it repented me God that I have set Saul up to be king for he has turned

[00:18:24] back from following me and has not performed my commandments you know committing complete

[00:18:29] genocide on the Amalekites.

[00:18:31] Yeah.

[00:18:32] What is pissed about right and the Lord repented that he had ever made Saul king over Israel

[00:18:37] so he really was he's mad he made us he's mad he put Saul on the throne right okay

[00:18:43] and then in Jeremiah it says if that nation against whom I have pronounced turn away

[00:18:48] from their evil I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

[00:18:53] Yeah.

[00:18:54] Do you remember that?

[00:18:55] I do.

[00:18:56] I do.

[00:18:57] And he was like I will change my mind if they do good now.

[00:19:00] Right.

[00:19:01] They did.

[00:19:02] But the funny thing is the way that they phrase that is that he's going to repent

[00:19:05] of the evil that he's going to do upon them.

[00:19:08] He's going to do evil to them.

[00:19:10] Yeah.

[00:19:11] You know okay.

[00:19:12] Yeah.

[00:19:13] Let's just parse that out for a second.

[00:19:15] God is going to do evil.

[00:19:16] Right.

[00:19:17] He's going to do evil to them.

[00:19:18] Right.

[00:19:19] And then in Jeremiah it says I am weary of repenting so I mean not only does he repent

[00:19:25] but he like repents so many times.

[00:19:27] Right.

[00:19:28] He's so tired of forgiving everybody.

[00:19:31] Ugh and I'm like that's your job as a God bro.

[00:19:35] But guess what?

[00:19:36] I'm wrong.

[00:19:37] You're always wrong.

[00:19:38] Yeah.

[00:19:39] It's been awhile since I sang it.

[00:19:41] Sure, sure.

[00:19:42] Yeah.

[00:19:43] Of course God doesn't repent because he could never change his mind or have regrets or everything

[00:19:49] he does is perfect.

[00:19:50] He's infallible.

[00:19:51] Yeah.

[00:19:52] Yeah.

[00:19:53] According to Numbers, God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of a man

[00:19:58] that he should repent.

[00:19:59] I mean duh.

[00:20:00] Okay.

[00:20:01] You got it?

[00:20:02] I'm sure.

[00:20:03] Okay.

[00:20:04] So number 10 husband are we punished for the sins of others?

[00:20:09] Yes.

[00:20:10] Yes.

[00:20:11] Yes we are.

[00:20:12] So according to Exodus and Numbers and Deuteronomy this thing I'm about to read is mentioned like

[00:20:18] in multiple places in the Torah.

[00:20:21] Yeah.

[00:20:22] I, the Lord thy God am a jealous God visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children

[00:20:28] unto the third and fourth generation.

[00:20:32] Fuck those kids that haven't even been born yet.

[00:20:34] I'm gonna punish them too.

[00:20:36] And then in second Samuel it says there was a famine in the days of David three

[00:20:41] years, year after year and David inquired of the Lord and the Lord answered sorry it's

[00:20:48] for Saul and for his bloody house because he slew the Gideonites.

[00:20:52] Remember?

[00:20:53] Yeah.

[00:20:54] So fuck this entire population.

[00:20:55] Sorry.

[00:20:56] Yeah.

[00:20:57] Not sorry.

[00:20:58] Right.

[00:20:59] Right.

[00:21:00] And then in Jeremiah it says wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil

[00:21:04] against us or what is our iniquity or what is our sin that we have committed against

[00:21:09] the Lord our God thou shalt then say to them says the Lord because your fathers have forsaken

[00:21:17] me and have walked after other gods and have served them and have worshiped them and have

[00:21:22] forsaken me and have not kept my law.

[00:21:26] Your daddies they did bad so fuck all of you today.

[00:21:29] Right.

[00:21:30] Yeah.

[00:21:31] And then further in Jeremiah it says therefore thus saith the Lord behold I will punish

[00:21:36] Shamiah the Neala might and his seed because he hath taught rebellion against the Lord so

[00:21:44] fuck whatever kids he has.

[00:21:46] Right.

[00:21:47] Okay.

[00:21:48] So yeah, he does punish others or he does punish us for the sins of others but guess

[00:21:54] what?

[00:21:55] We're wrong.

[00:21:56] We are always wrong.

[00:21:58] Yeah.

[00:21:59] Yeah.

[00:22:00] Because nope according to Deuteronomy the father shall not be put to death for

[00:22:03] the children neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers every man shall

[00:22:08] be put to death for his own sin.

[00:22:10] Okay.

[00:22:11] Okay.

[00:22:12] And then again in Jeremiah.

[00:22:14] Yeah.

[00:22:15] So you know contrasting its own self.

[00:22:17] Right.

[00:22:18] It says in those days they shall say no more the fathers have eaten a sour grape and

[00:22:23] the children's teeth are set on edge but no every one shall die for his own

[00:22:29] iniquity.

[00:22:30] So yeah.

[00:22:31] Okay.

[00:22:32] So you're not going to kill your kids for you fucking up.

[00:22:36] It seems to me like they just have a they're like what's a good reason why things are going

[00:22:41] bad this will work.

[00:22:43] Yeah.

[00:22:44] And it's either you specifically or your ancestors if they can't come up with anything

[00:22:49] bad that you did.

[00:22:50] Yeah.

[00:22:51] There's always a reason though.

[00:22:52] Because that was science to them back then.

[00:22:56] So number 11.

[00:22:58] How long was the Babylonian captivity?

[00:23:02] 70 years.

[00:23:04] You would think.

[00:23:05] Okay.

[00:23:06] And this whole land shall be a desolation and an astonishment and these nations shall

[00:23:11] serve the king of Babylon 70 years.

[00:23:14] And that's from Jeremiah.

[00:23:15] Right.

[00:23:16] Now I did take an answer from the book of Baruch which is not in the Bible that

[00:23:23] we're reading but we know the dude.

[00:23:25] Yeah.

[00:23:26] And it didn't feel too bad about stealing this one.

[00:23:29] Okay.

[00:23:30] Because you know he's friends with Jeremiah right?

[00:23:32] Yeah.

[00:23:33] And he said seven generations when you are coming to Babylon you shall be there many

[00:23:39] years and for a long time even to seven generations.

[00:23:43] Got it.

[00:23:44] Okay.

[00:23:45] So either 70 years or seven generations which you know could be a mountain.

[00:23:49] Yeah sure.

[00:23:50] Whatever.

[00:23:51] Yeah not really.

[00:23:52] That'd be really short generations but yeah.

[00:23:54] But guess what?

[00:23:56] I'm wrong.

[00:23:57] We're both wrong and they're both wrong.

[00:23:59] Okay.

[00:24:00] It's neither because we have history books actually.

[00:24:03] And the Babylonian captivity ended in 539 BCE when King Cyrus of Persia defeated Babylon

[00:24:11] so that's when it ended right?

[00:24:12] Yeah.

[00:24:13] Now when it began is somewhat less clear and we have three different choices.

[00:24:17] Yeah.

[00:24:18] And none of them add up right.

[00:24:19] Right.

[00:24:20] And if you take 39 and I think it was like 76 or 77 when the official conquering was that's

[00:24:28] like 36 37 years.

[00:24:30] You are right on the money sir.

[00:24:32] Let me read these dates to you.

[00:24:34] Okay.

[00:24:35] Yeah.

[00:24:36] Was it 605 BCE after the battle of Karsimis when Nebuchadnezzar attacked Jerusalem that

[00:24:41] could have been when it started.

[00:24:42] Okay.

[00:24:43] Right.

[00:24:44] And then it started in 598 or 97 when Joaquin was killed and his successor Jecuniah and

[00:24:50] many others were taken to Babylon.

[00:24:52] I don't know.

[00:24:53] It could be maybe.

[00:24:54] I don't know.

[00:24:55] Okay.

[00:24:56] Was it in 587 or 80 I'm sorry 587 or 76 when the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed

[00:25:03] and many of its people were exiled.

[00:25:06] Could be.

[00:25:07] Could be.

[00:25:08] Sure.

[00:25:09] So depending on which of these dates you choose as the start of the Babylonian

[00:25:11] captivity.

[00:25:12] Yeah.

[00:25:13] The Babylonian would be 66 59 or 48 years respectively.

[00:25:18] Oh okay.

[00:25:19] So yeah.

[00:25:20] Yeah none of the above right you know right so neither 70 years nor seven generations

[00:25:26] right so yeah but goff and you can't even stretch it out like there's like even if

[00:25:31] you take it at the furthest point the closest one is 66 right which you could say that

[00:25:38] might but they might have rounded up to the nearest five.

[00:25:41] Sure.

[00:25:42] I would allow it if that's what they were trying to say.

[00:25:45] Sure.

[00:25:46] You know what I mean if they spelled that out.

[00:25:48] But that was never ever spelled out.

[00:25:51] No no it wasn't.

[00:25:53] Not also if you're trying to say that Jeremiah did a 40 year stint right you can't have

[00:25:57] it both ways.

[00:25:58] Yeah.

[00:25:59] You know what I mean.

[00:26:00] Yeah.

[00:26:01] So I don't buy it.

[00:26:02] No.

[00:26:03] Okay so number 12 husband how should the Ammonites be treated.

[00:26:10] I don't even recall.

[00:26:13] I would assume that we want to destroy them.

[00:26:18] We do we do we want to kill them and take their land.

[00:26:20] Okay.

[00:26:21] I will cause an alarm of war to be heard in Raba of the Ammonites and it shall be a

[00:26:26] desolate heap and her daughter shall be burned with fire and that's from Jeremiah chapter

[00:26:31] 49 so that would be right in his address to the nations.

[00:26:36] Right right yeah.

[00:26:38] Or I'm sorry oracle of the nation.

[00:26:40] Yeah that was the bit that was written like during exile or post exile.

[00:26:45] Yeah yeah but back in Deuteronomy to prove that we're always wrong you're supposed to

[00:26:50] avoid them because it says and when thou comest nigh over against the children of Ammon

[00:26:57] distress them not nor meddle with them for I will not give thee of the land of

[00:27:03] the children of Ammon any possession because I have given it unto the children of Lot

[00:27:09] for possession.

[00:27:10] Huh.

[00:27:11] Yeah.

[00:27:12] Okay.

[00:27:13] So early on he's like no this is Lot's.

[00:27:16] This is theirs.

[00:27:17] Right yeah.

[00:27:18] And then later on he's like kill those motherfuckers take that land get them.

[00:27:22] That's crazy.

[00:27:23] Fuck Lot's descendants.

[00:27:25] Yeah right.

[00:27:27] Okay that would yeah that would mean that God changed his mind.

[00:27:31] It's almost like that isn't it?

[00:27:33] Yeah.

[00:27:34] Well it happens again because number 13 how should the Moabites be

[00:27:38] treated?

[00:27:39] Well they were friendly to them sort of ish back in like Exodus or somewhere back there

[00:27:45] anyway.

[00:27:46] Deuteronomy.

[00:27:47] Deuteronomy okay.

[00:27:48] Yeah and the Lord said unto me Moses distress not the Moabites neither contend with them

[00:27:53] in battle for I will not give thee of their land for a possession because I have given

[00:27:57] R unto the children of Lot for possession.

[00:28:01] Okay.

[00:28:02] Okay these are Lot's.

[00:28:03] Yeah right.

[00:28:04] Don't fuck with them.

[00:28:05] Right.

[00:28:06] And then Moses was like cool cool cool but can I marry one?

[00:28:08] JK JK JK.

[00:28:09] So yeah that was in Deuteronomy but then later in Jeremiah an oracle against the nations.

[00:28:15] Yeah.

[00:28:16] He's like kill them and take their land again.

[00:28:17] Right.

[00:28:18] He says there shall be no more praise of Moab come and let us cut it off from being

[00:28:23] a nation.

[00:28:24] Get them.

[00:28:25] Yeah.

[00:28:26] Yeah so it just depends on.

[00:28:27] Which portion of the Bible you're reading.

[00:28:29] And also what is politically strategic for the people who are actually writing the

[00:28:36] Bible?

[00:28:37] Yeah.

[00:28:38] Because they're like.

[00:28:39] Because they were all written during different time periods and different yeah.

[00:28:41] Yeah.

[00:28:42] It has nothing to do with God.

[00:28:43] Because I'm sorry if that was Lot's people.

[00:28:45] Yeah.

[00:28:46] There's still Lot's people just like the Israelites are still Moses' people.

[00:28:51] Right.

[00:28:52] You know you don't get to just sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

[00:28:56] Right.

[00:28:57] So what you have decided is fuck Lot's descendants.

[00:28:59] Sure.

[00:29:00] Which would be fine I wish you would just say we decided we don't like Lot's

[00:29:04] descendants anymore.

[00:29:05] To be extra fair just to throw this out there.

[00:29:09] God was in Jeremiah was in the process of destroying the Israelites as well.

[00:29:13] So to say that he's going to destroy Moabites and the Ammonites you know maybe isn't too

[00:29:20] far of a stretch at that point.

[00:29:22] But yes.

[00:29:23] That's true.

[00:29:24] Yeah I'm just throwing it out there.

[00:29:25] That is true.

[00:29:26] All right I will allow it then.

[00:29:27] Right.

[00:29:28] Okay that is very fair.

[00:29:29] Right.

[00:29:30] All right last question.

[00:29:31] Okay.

[00:29:32] Number 14.

[00:29:33] Husband this is such a good one for the book that we just read.

[00:29:37] Yeah.

[00:29:38] Did Zedekiah's eyes behold the king of Babylon?

[00:29:43] Yes.

[00:29:44] Depends.

[00:29:45] Depends huh?

[00:29:46] Depends.

[00:29:47] Well I mean isn't he the one that took his eyes?

[00:29:51] Yeah he had his sons killed in front of him and then his eyes were put out.

[00:29:55] Which would mean to me I would think that he you know saw the king taking his fucking

[00:29:59] eyes at the very least.

[00:30:01] Oh okay so yes.

[00:30:04] Thine eyes shall behold the eyes of the king of Babylon and that was in Jeremiah.

[00:30:10] Yeah.

[00:30:11] And okay but guess what?

[00:30:13] I'm wrong.

[00:30:14] There's like a thousand contradictions and things that I did not include in this.

[00:30:20] Okay.

[00:30:21] Between Jeremiah and the first and second or the second book of Kings.

[00:30:26] Oh okay.

[00:30:27] Second Kings.

[00:30:28] A lot of the details this is the only one that I actually grabbed for our questionnaire here

[00:30:35] that we're doing.

[00:30:36] Sure.

[00:30:37] But a lot of the differences are in like how many of these and how many of those

[00:30:44] and you know how many miles and sure which guy was where.

[00:30:49] Right.

[00:30:50] And the stories don't match up.

[00:30:51] Yeah they don't they don't match up like how many guys were in the army and I'm

[00:30:54] like whatever.

[00:30:55] Right.

[00:30:56] You know.

[00:30:57] Fuck cares.

[00:30:58] We always kind of shied away from the counting errors because.

[00:31:01] I do because me and you could count the same things five times and come up with different

[00:31:06] answers and we have the Googles.

[00:31:08] Right.

[00:31:09] And calculators.

[00:31:10] Yeah.

[00:31:11] So I don't hold those kind of errors against people who lived over 2000 years ago.

[00:31:17] Sure.

[00:31:18] So there are a lot of differences like the stories are the same from second kings

[00:31:23] to Jeremiah.

[00:31:24] Yeah.

[00:31:25] They are exactly the same but some of the like nitty gritty details don't match and I just

[00:31:31] don't give a shit.

[00:31:32] But this one I thought was pretty good because in Jeremiah.

[00:31:37] Yeah he totally got to see the king and then you know his kids were killed in front

[00:31:44] of him and then his eyes were put out.

[00:31:46] Yeah.

[00:31:47] But in second kings.

[00:31:48] Okay.

[00:31:51] They put out the eyes of Zedekiah bound him in fetters of brass and then carried him to

[00:31:57] Babylon.

[00:31:58] Hmm.

[00:31:59] Yeah.

[00:32:00] Well I feel like that's still the same thing that happened actually because they met remember

[00:32:06] they met they met up with them at that place that was just outside of Egypt.

[00:32:10] But the king wasn't there.

[00:32:12] Nebuchadnezzar was not there.

[00:32:14] In kings you're saying.

[00:32:16] In either story.

[00:32:18] Oh.

[00:32:19] Okay.

[00:32:20] The king the king was not there in either story.

[00:32:24] Well where does it say that they that he did see the king.

[00:32:28] Um in Jeremiah it says your eyes shall behold the eyes of the king of Babylon.

[00:32:34] Okay so that's what I was saying in Jeremiah they had him at that place that was just

[00:32:40] outside of it.

[00:32:41] Who's him?

[00:32:42] They had who?

[00:32:43] Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians.

[00:32:44] Okay.

[00:32:45] Had him just outside of that place that was just outside of Egypt where he almost

[00:32:48] got away and that's where he killed his kids and took his eyes out.

[00:32:53] Except that except that even in the book of Jeremiah that was his soldiers that went after

[00:32:59] him like Nebuchadnezzar was not there.

[00:33:03] Okay okay I didn't get I mean like they said that I don't understand because like they

[00:33:08] said that he saw him in the same books like is it saying are you saying that it contradicts

[00:33:13] itself in Jeremiah?

[00:33:15] I'm not really sure because um what they're saying the difference is did they put out his

[00:33:22] eyes before or after he they took Zedekiah to Babylon that's the question.

[00:33:30] Okay.

[00:33:31] Because the king was still back in Babylon he he was not there part of the fight.

[00:33:37] He his soldier guys were and Nebuchadnezzar whatever that guy's name you know who

[00:33:44] I'm talking about.

[00:33:45] Nebuchadnezzar and Ann or something like that.

[00:33:46] Yeah that guy yeah he was there.

[00:33:48] Okay.

[00:33:49] So the question is did they put out his eyes like right there when they caught him or did

[00:33:56] he get back to Babylon?

[00:33:58] Got it.

[00:33:59] And then they put his eyes out.

[00:34:00] Okay okay so you're saying that okay I got it.

[00:34:03] In Jeremiah they captured and brought him to Babylon then those things with where

[00:34:07] they killed his sons know that happened in Babylon.

[00:34:10] Okay.

[00:34:11] Right but in 2 Kings that happened right when they caught him.

[00:34:14] Got it.

[00:34:15] Okay.

[00:34:16] Now I tend to think that probably Jeremiah had the right of it on this one I think that

[00:34:21] they probably captured him brought him back to Babylon and then the king Nebuchadnezzar

[00:34:28] made the choice and was like dude here's your sons watch we're gonna kill them go

[00:34:34] ahead kill kill his sons and now we're gonna put your fucking eyes out and now

[00:34:39] you can live here.

[00:34:40] Right.

[00:34:41] And that's what I think so I think Jeremiah had the right of it.

[00:34:44] 2 Kings though was like no they put his eyes out whatever.

[00:34:47] Sure.

[00:34:48] And it's like does it matter no but because we just literally finished reading that I

[00:34:55] just thought okay that's a good one to end on.

[00:34:57] Sure sure.

[00:34:58] Got it?

[00:34:59] Yeah I got it so that was our contradictions episode for Jeremiah.

[00:35:03] It sure as fuck was.

[00:35:04] And we are now done 100% with Jeremiah.

[00:35:09] I mean but are we though?

[00:35:10] I don't know.

[00:35:11] We're about to read Lamentations.

[00:35:13] Which apparently is written by him maybe sort of kind of.

[00:35:17] And then there's some other shit that he's supposed to have written.

[00:35:20] Yeah.

[00:35:21] And.

[00:35:22] But we're done with the fucking book.

[00:35:23] We're done with the book of Jeremiah.

[00:35:24] So we are done with that fucking book.

[00:35:27] We are.

[00:35:28] And we're moving along.

[00:35:29] Yes congratulations to everybody who has followed us on this journey you have just completed

[00:35:35] totally another book and we are moving on through the Bible to the next book.

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