Jeremiah Chapter 45: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:16] Welcome to sacrilegious discourse. I'm husband and I'm wife. Together we're reading the Bible

[00:01:20] for the very first time. We grew up without religion and wanted to know what all the fuss was about.

[00:01:26] Well, what have we learned so far? That God is a dick and apparently some people believe in talking

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[00:01:45] the Bible. Yeah let's get to it. Husband! Wife! Do you remember what happened yesterday and where

[00:01:54] the hell we are today? Well, yesterday we read Jeremiah chapter 44. We sure is fucked in. And

[00:02:00] in that chapter God was like y'all brought this on yourselves. You were worshiping idols

[00:02:06] and and like that's why all the bad shit happened and then they were like no we were worshiping

[00:02:13] idols and that's when all the good shit happened. And they were like all up about the queen of heaven.

[00:02:21] Yeah, yeah. And then the Shira Poles just never seemed to go away. Yeah, that was interesting.

[00:02:26] Yeah. And God was like I'm going to kill all your fuckers here in Israel unless you run away

[00:02:30] back to the air. In Egypt. Oh yeah, in Egypt I'm sorry. And then unless you run away back to Israel

[00:02:36] and and then he never did. Right. At least you know according to your research anyway. Yeah. So

[00:02:42] never can as a tried but didn't succeed. Correct. And also what did happen though

[00:02:51] is the king Pharaoh whoever guy at freeze. Right. Ho for yeah of Egypt. He did get assassinated or

[00:03:02] whatever. Well, yeah, he got replaced and then he ran away and then he came back and they killed

[00:03:07] him in battle. Yeah, probably right. So by the captain of his father's guard. Right. Who then was a

[00:03:13] good king apparently or at least an effective king of the family. Yeah. Pharaoh. But yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:19] So yeah, that was Jeremiah chapter 44. And that was also the final chapter in that narrative. Yeah.

[00:03:25] Yeah. So that bears I am very interested to see how this all plays out post narrative post that

[00:03:32] narrative. Yeah. And post like does Jeremiah even speak from here forward? I don't know. We've got

[00:03:37] eight chapters left. So the book of Jeremiah. Yeah. Right. So this should be interesting. Exactly.

[00:03:42] So anyway, that was Jeremiah chapter 44. Yes it was. Which means that today we're getting into Jeremiah

[00:03:47] chapter 45. All right, let's do this. Okay, okay.

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[00:05:29] LinkedIn.com slash spoken today. Okay, we are getting into Jeremiah chapter 45. Okay. But a couple

[00:05:39] notes real quick. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Obviously we just finished a narrative. We did. So we're like oh

[00:05:47] if we finish that narrative and that was the last time that Jeremiah like. Beaks or whatever.

[00:05:53] To the people. Yeah. Then what's left? Right. Right. Yeah. So this chapter actually goes back in time.

[00:06:02] Okay. And do you remember that time period when Jeremiah was like hey Baruch I can't go into

[00:06:10] that temple area can you go over there and read the ship out loud for me. Yeah. Yeah. That's

[00:06:15] what this is. Why are we jumping back there like this makes no sense. You would have to ask Baruch.

[00:06:20] He's the one that put all of this in order. Oh, we know that for like that like that's a thing. That's

[00:06:25] a thing that okay. That's a thing and I'll tell you more when we get into this. Okay. Okay.

[00:06:33] Okay. I just want to tell you when this takes place. Yeah. Okay. So the word that Jeremiah the

[00:06:39] prophet spoke to Baruch the son of Nariah when he had written these words in a book at the instruction

[00:06:46] of Jeremiah in the fourth year of walk keem the son of Josiah. Keen of Judah saying thus says

[00:06:55] the Lord the God of Israel to you Oh Baruch and it's like oh excuse me. Like Baruch gets a zone

[00:07:02] special message right that's part of why it came later because Baruch was like as Baruch

[00:07:09] trying to is this like post Jeremiah's influence and like Baruch's like you know I'm gonna get

[00:07:14] some influence on myself here. Um maybe it maybe not though okay let me read what he says to him

[00:07:22] and then you decide for yourself okay yeah so this is Jeremiah speaking to Baruch as God okay you

[00:07:31] said whoa is me now Baruch for the Lord has added grief to my sorrow I fainted in my sighing and I

[00:07:39] find no rest so basically he's like Baruch you were whining and and getting upset and stuff yeah okay

[00:07:46] okay thus you shall say to him God is telling Jeremiah to tell Baruch yeah thus says the Lord be

[00:07:56] hold what I have built I will break down and what I have planted I will pluck up that is this whole

[00:08:04] and do you seek great things for yourself do not seek them for behold I will bring adversity on all

[00:08:11] flesh says the Lord but I will give your life to you as a prize in all places wherever you go

[00:08:18] okay oh that was the end of the chapter yes wow here yeah Jesus this is like a my will call

[00:08:25] this a psalm I know but here's the thing like this actually makes Baruch not look good like the fact

[00:08:36] that he included this he's like I was like really in my feels about what was happening like I was not

[00:08:44] thrilled everything about me was going to shit my buddy was in jail I was in danger right um our

[00:08:51] reputations were ruined and you know I was moaning and groaning and God heard that yeah and told

[00:08:58] fucking Jeremiah to deliver me not Israel not the Jews not all of Judah not kings and stuff but me

[00:09:08] personally yeah a message from God to stop all that to stop fussing I don't even I don't know

[00:09:15] but if you're Jeremiah right I feel like it's hard to stop that um like if you're constantly

[00:09:21] talking for God and that's your whole way of communicating your ideas is like to say what God

[00:09:27] told you to say right then you're gonna if you want Baruch to stop whining God says stop whining

[00:09:33] but the fact that Baruch didn't put it in order yeah left it out and when it hit it included it

[00:09:42] and then included it later after Jeremiah's story was basically done yeah that actually

[00:09:50] doesn't do any favors for Baruch except to make him look more upstanding and like wow good on you

[00:09:59] sir I would not have included that right I guess I don't know I mean but I still wonder how this

[00:10:07] is gonna play out as if he's gonna try to game a little bit more notoriety well here's the thing

[00:10:11] let me read you some of my notes okay yeah my notes are basically as long as the chapter which

[00:10:16] isn't much right right so this happened during the fourth year of Joachim which was 605 BCE

[00:10:23] okay I mean we were way back like 30 years ago or whatever and this part should have followed

[00:10:27] chapter 36 okay okay the previous chapters in this section that narrative that we just read

[00:10:34] those dealt with the time after the fall of Jerusalem and Judah whereas this chapter deals with a time

[00:10:40] many years before that catastrophe right yeah Jeremiah gave this word of encouragement to his assistant

[00:10:47] Baruch on the occasion when Baruch had to read the scroll of God's judgments to the people so

[00:10:53] remember I told you that Jeremiah was like dude can go read this ship for me okay so Baruch is

[00:11:00] lamenting because this is right after the king had given an order to take both Baruch and Jeremiah

[00:11:07] in order that they might be put to death at the instance of his nobles right so they had just been

[00:11:14] sentenced to death right and I can see from Baruch's point of view like this is what the fuck have I

[00:11:20] got myself into here yes yes now let me read a few more notes and then we'll discuss again yeah

[00:11:26] okay so Baruch was an educated man qualified as a secretary whose brother was an officer of high

[00:11:34] rank under Zadakaya okay he probably had entertained hopes of some distinction in the nation

[00:11:42] perhaps of attaining a high office or even of receiving the gift of prophecy himself like being

[00:11:48] named a prophet or something he came from an affluent and very educated family and you know

[00:11:55] sure he probably grew up being told you're gonna do great things because that's just the way it is

[00:12:01] right yeah but whatever great things he sought for himself were forfeited by his loyal support of

[00:12:06] Jeremiah sure so Baruch was thinking how his unpopular announcements might affect his own security

[00:12:13] or advancement but Jeremiah comes along and tells him dude when divide judgment falls on Judah you're

[00:12:22] gonna be thankful enough just to come out of it alive right like that's what we were supposed to

[00:12:26] take from that see I took at I took it differently when I was reading it I thought that God was telling

[00:12:33] Jeremiah to tell Baruch you know hey don't worry about it whatever happens you're still gonna live

[00:12:38] it's gonna be okay you're gonna survive right but what every single note taker took out of it was

[00:12:44] you're gonna be grateful just to be alive hmm not just don't worry you'll be okay you'll survive

[00:12:50] but and you'll just be glad to have done so right and I well I mean I question well some

[00:12:57] of he must have lived like if someone says so if they say that he put the book together

[00:13:02] right like there was this whole thing that happened when they're heading into Egypt

[00:13:07] they he must have lived one of them must have lived yeah at the very least and you know since we

[00:13:12] don't hear from Jeremiah I'm assuming Baruch lived right and I so at least he lived I guess

[00:13:20] like his he was and he was told he would definitely not in a good position there because they didn't

[00:13:26] they they thought he was part of that whole double agent shit too yeah so like they they

[00:13:31] thought he was part of this problem right and I I would imagine that if he did make it out of

[00:13:37] that situation that he was lucky to get out of that situation right so which kind of goes along

[00:13:42] with what he said right yeah yeah yeah yeah so I don't I don't know what to think I

[00:13:50] I don't think that he was trying to paint himself in a good light because he didn't right and I

[00:13:56] don't think that he was trying to attain anything with this because he didn't right but it would

[00:14:04] make sense to me also like and I don't know where this is going to go from here towards the end of

[00:14:08] the book of Jeremiah I don't either this I have not read ahead I don't have notes ahead right but I

[00:14:13] would imagine that if Baruch did live through that ordeal and heading into Egypt that you know with

[00:14:20] his ideas and his aspirations of becoming more he probably wanted to sell his you know what Jeremiah

[00:14:27] did for good right and that's maybe why this book is so prominent and why it made it into things

[00:14:33] because maybe Baruch did a good sales job after the fact okay maybe he ran to Babylon and then went

[00:14:40] you know like the people over in Egypt obviously didn't like him right right so the Jewish people

[00:14:45] right right yeah I mean I don't know how the Egyptians fell yeah so maybe he he spent another 10 days

[00:14:50] running back to Babylon and then went with the remnant that actually it was captured in

[00:14:55] and the Babylon by the Babylonians and maybe he stayed with them and said and like he's like

[00:15:01] forget this Egypt Egypt Adam who just pitched the story over here because you know maybe they'll

[00:15:05] listen and see how right Jeremiah was right you know that that could actually be right that actually

[00:15:12] tracks and from their point of view they would still see Babylon heading to attack Egypt and they

[00:15:18] think well yeah it's still coming true he's still predicting that stuff yeah like this is all

[00:15:22] this is all correct so they could he has a good sales pitch you know that's true that's true and

[00:15:27] painting himself as humble and not looking for anything more does paint him in the light of

[00:15:35] believability for the people that he's trying to be a salesman too right and he got I mean his name

[00:15:43] we're still talking about it two thousand years later that's true you know so I mean he did

[00:15:47] something right to have his name remembered two thousand years later that is true all right you know

[00:15:53] it's just saying yeah I think it's interesting that this was such a short chapter yeah

[00:15:59] and I mean it was like maybe ten sentences but well I think we were clamoring to talk about Baruch

[00:16:05] too so like you know but I didn't know until I was reading my notes that that's what this was about

[00:16:11] right and yeah definitely very very interesting to be so short and to find out like

[00:16:20] there are still questions about Baruch yeah we we kind of know what happened to Jeremiah but

[00:16:27] what happened to Baruch right right so I'm not sure what our Q&A is going to be about but I am

[00:16:33] going to be looking to see if there is any mention or legend of Baruch and I am going to look into

[00:16:40] some legends about Jeremiah and then we need to look into any more of the history of the wars

[00:16:45] going on back then or did you cover most of that I covered most of that okay in yesterday's

[00:16:49] episode I think gotcha so it kind of took care of itself sure that was going to be a question

[00:16:56] that we looked into right yeah no need to now all right well that was Jeremiah chapter 45 sure

[00:17:03] as fuck was which means that we will be back tomorrow on Saturday with Q&A Saturday not sure what

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[00:17:24] all right and then I will get the weekly wrap up out and then we'll be back on Monday with Jeremiah

[00:17:30] chapter 46 and who even knows what's that that's right yeah yeah I'm I'm very curious I am too

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