Jeremiah Chapters 26 - 30 Q&A: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:04:25] Okay so I'm gonna talk to you today about some tablets tablets huh yeah like iPads and Samsung tablets

[00:04:32] totally totally what I'm gonna talk about no no okay so do you remember in chapter 29 when that

[00:04:41] was about Jeremiah Wright and some letters right yeah yeah he wrote letters to them over there in

[00:04:47] Babylon that had been taken away yeah and then he wrote some letters to the people at home being like

[00:04:54] I know about what you said yeah yeah so I wondered at the time like he so he just wrote a letter

[00:05:02] huh he just wrote letters right right and we kind of like glossed over it like okay I guess he wrote

[00:05:07] letters yeah but here's the thing diplomatic correspondence between overlords and vassals that was

[00:05:14] totally common back then in the second one MBC okay they just sent letters to each other okay whatever

[00:05:22] another example would be letters written from Palestine to the Pharaoh like we found some of those

[00:05:28] apparently and just what that's just what they did okay yeah so they did that okay they wrote letters

[00:05:34] they wrote letters got it yeah yeah and moreover the letters that he wrote remember at the time we were

[00:05:42] like oh I wonder if there were naysayers over in Babylon too like if there were false prophets there

[00:05:47] amongst the people that had been kidnapped and let away right there were okay they're totally

[00:05:53] got it so not everybody in Babylon was good right like not all the best and brightest also some of

[00:05:59] the scumiest and most lyre faced right okay yeah so that was a lie in the Bible just so you know okay

[00:06:06] yeah there were false prophets there so that's what he was being like I know there's some folks

[00:06:10] over there telling you that y'all about to come home tomorrow or whatever but they're lying and

[00:06:15] y'all there for a lifetime sorry got it yeah so here's the thing there was a lot of like unrest and

[00:06:23] stuff going on around that time yeah and we had talked about how the various little nations how they

[00:06:29] felt kind of like maybe now's the time to attack Babylon right right we see cracks in the facade

[00:06:34] right sure and there was the whole they had a discussion that's what when Isaiah stopped

[00:06:39] outside of the palace or whatever Jeremiah yeah Jesus when he stopped outside that that's what

[00:06:45] they had come to talk to the king about yeah whatever they were trying to figure out a way to maybe

[00:06:50] stop Babylon to plot against Babylon yeah yeah yeah so there was definitely unrest okay in

[00:06:57] in the area at the time yeah okay and both Jewish prophets and Jerusalem and Babylon as I said

[00:07:04] they were predicting the end of the exile soon maybe like it's bound to happen every any day now

[00:07:10] yeah because they all knew that shit was on shaky ground right okay yeah so there is a hint of the chaos

[00:07:17] that was happening in what's called the Babylonian chronicles and my ears perked up and I was like

[00:07:23] I'm sorry excuse me what Babylonian Chronicles sounds like a fucking comic book series I need to read

[00:07:30] that right so what are the Babylonian Chronicles I was my question they chronicle they chronicle the

[00:07:38] battle yeah yeah yeah there are a collection of around 45 clay tablets so not oh they didn't

[00:07:45] use like papyrus or anything like that they were clay tap tablets written in cuneiform okay okay

[00:07:52] yeah and I was like I must know about these I want to know everything about them what are they

[00:07:58] where are they yeah what what is going on with them guys sure okay the chronicles provide a large

[00:08:04] portion of what we know today of current Babylonian history okay yeah and they are considered the

[00:08:11] most reliable of ancient official records which I just find astounding yeah and these texts are largely

[00:08:19] about the neo Babylonian empire which are great interest of course to biblical scholars right for

[00:08:26] its historical involvement with the kingdom of Judah got it so it's this outside source that kind

[00:08:33] of validates some of the history that was happening sure the the politics obviously not the

[00:08:39] religiously prophet shit right right you know just the normal stuff yeah okay um they were composed by

[00:08:47] Babylonian astronomers known as chaldeans oh yeah I was like oh I didn't know that

[00:08:56] that's what the chaldeans were right yeah yeah they were they were a tribe outside of Babylon

[00:09:04] that got sucked into Babylon but they were um astrologers I see

[00:09:09] so are astronomers sorry right and so um they were very wise people okay that Babylon just kind of

[00:09:18] sucked into their group yeah they were like you're with us now got it they were like okay

[00:09:23] because there weren't a lot of them and you know yeah and as we saw the people that Babylon kind of

[00:09:29] sucked into their hold mm-hmm they were granted a fair amount of freedom I mean let's talk about how

[00:09:36] Jeremiah is telling the Babylonian exiled people go ahead and take land farm lands they

[00:09:43] marry have children yeah sounds like I mean kind of even based on the Bible it sounded like they were

[00:09:48] collecting like the best and brightest right exactly and so not only were they collecting the best

[00:09:54] and brightest for their own communities right they were also granting those people a large

[00:10:01] amount of freedom within their capture right so they were like well the bad news is you have to

[00:10:07] stay here forever the good news is we don't suck completely and all all of your peers are here

[00:10:13] and you know it's kind of cool right so it would be kind of like if Google went around and like

[00:10:19] kidnapped scientists and and um like IT people and just like all the smarty smarts yeah

[00:10:28] and locked them into the building but paid him really well and like yeah lots of food that they

[00:10:33] wanted which I kind of hear is how Google is right right so imagine that Babylon is kind of Google

[00:10:41] okay like the bad news is you work 24 seven now and you're always on call but the good news is

[00:10:47] got lots of benefits and lots and lots of perks and you're surrounded by bright people sure

[00:10:54] you know I mean that that means it didn't all suck right you know it's kind of important I think

[00:11:01] yeah because when you think about being kidnapped you and we were led to believe kind of that

[00:11:06] they were led away into slavery and that's right right like those are heavy words right and they just

[00:11:12] kind of weren't got it so that's kind of important to it is still a cage but is definitely a gilded

[00:11:19] cage I'm sure they probably reserve the right to enslave certain people I'm sure they did

[00:11:23] and I'm sure especially lower class and something like that but I'm sure that happened yeah or if

[00:11:27] you didn't contribute something to their society or whatever yeah exactly it's just this kind of

[00:11:32] paints the Babylonians in a little bit of a different light yeah and I'm not saying that going

[00:11:36] around kidnapping people is good I'm absolutely not saying that at all yeah but it is interesting how

[00:11:42] they went about strengthening their own kingdom while simultaneously cutting off surrounding

[00:11:50] kingdoms at the knees right that's interesting to me yeah okay so the tablets were composed by

[00:11:57] Babylonian astronomers known as Chaldeans and these tablets recorded major historical events

[00:12:04] likely drawing from even more detailed astronomical diaries I'm sorry what we'll get into that in a

[00:12:12] minute all right okay so hold that note because I was like there are diaries about astronomy I'm

[00:12:19] sorry hello what right and there were some okay all right so the tablets were uncovered the

[00:12:25] the ones that we're talking about the Babylonian ones yeah they were uncovered during 19th century

[00:12:29] excavations in Babylon so the 1800s okay they were left undecided in the archives for literal decades

[00:12:39] they found them and then just put them in a museum and were like someday I guess whatever I mean

[00:12:43] that happens to a lot of archaeological finds they don't know what to do with them so they they

[00:12:48] catalog until somebody does come along and actually it seems really cool what is it I have no idea

[00:12:54] right well means you gotta think somebody's gotta go through all these things that people find

[00:12:57] and so who does that and it's gotta be an expert right so how many experts are there in the world

[00:13:01] about you know I don't know how to read those tablets Babylon and find out that apparently that's

[00:13:06] where they all are right so the first chronicle to be published ever was in 1887 okay so

[00:13:13] finally the same decade that they found them somebody came along and was like sure hey I got this

[00:13:18] and then came the next one which was about the fall of ninn it's called the fall of ninn of a

[00:13:25] chronicle okay so and that one came out in 1923 got it so no wonder the 1900s right but these are

[00:13:33] finally yeah I think all but three the source that I was reading said have been what's called

[00:13:42] problem given provenance meaning we've been able to verify the date and history and all of

[00:13:49] that stuff so all but three of the 45 have been provenance which again that's so cool yeah yeah

[00:13:58] so these tablets cover Babylonian history within the year 747 to 668 BC okay yeah that would have

[00:14:07] been right around the time frame that we're talking about sure um they start with king nebunessa

[00:14:15] not nebukinessa right right nebunessa who ruled Babylon from 747 to 734 BC okay and they go all

[00:14:25] the way through to a period called the parthian period or the parthian empire okay and that was

[00:14:31] a major Iranian political and cultural power in ancient Iran from 247 BC to 224 AD okay so

[00:14:45] this these tablets cover all the way into an ad period got it that's amazing I thought you said

[00:14:52] that they only covered to this okay I misunderstood what you said at first because you said something

[00:14:57] about the 700s to 600s they cover okay hold on how did that work he's how does cover Babylonian history

[00:15:05] from king um okay so there's some history within the time period 747 to 668 BC yeah that's when it

[00:15:14] starts okay so cover some history in that period and then from there all the way through yeah

[00:15:20] sorry I misunderstood really confusing how you said that yeah it was confusing yeah yes it was

[00:15:26] confusing and I clarified it got it so anyway who's this king guy right that all of a sudden like he

[00:15:33] came on board and started recording history sure okay king nebusar I pronounced it three different

[00:15:41] ways yeah sorry his reign saw the beginning of a new era characterized by the systematic maintenance

[00:15:49] of chronologically precise historical records he's the first guy that started being like let's

[00:15:55] record some history guys right say yeah his reign also marks the reform of the Babylonian calendar

[00:16:03] uh okay yeah right which again you know we've got um astronomers yeah right right and now we've

[00:16:11] got calendar reforms happening sure because astronomy helps us understand the passage of time

[00:16:18] right yeah it's kind of how we mark the passage of time on a large scale right right so um he

[00:16:25] his reign did history and the calendar and they introduced regular calculated months and they have

[00:16:33] some kind of 18 year cycle that they they started which I would love to learn like what did

[00:16:39] that do right right like it was just a larger period of time like how to discuss right certain

[00:16:46] time period yeah yeah and they even came up with the earliest forms of the zodiac

[00:16:52] hmm so were these astronomers or astrologists they were a mix of both okay right for the time

[00:17:00] they were astronomers because they were studying the night sky okay and they were understanding

[00:17:05] that the stars move in certain patterns and that the you know certain things affect the planet

[00:17:13] in such a way right and that is ultimately zodiac is to the recognition that there are different

[00:17:18] celestial beings things in the sky at any given moment sure now yes they were also astrologers

[00:17:26] and that they assigned other meanings to those yeah so that's why I say a bit of both sure but

[00:17:33] but I mean still it's very impressive that they had that understanding back then right right

[00:17:38] so yeah um so this gets us into the astronomical diaries okay because remember I was like wait what

[00:17:44] the fuck is that right so you can see how like this is related to what we're reading but like way off

[00:17:50] yes it's definitely a rabbit hole right but I couldn't not it was so cool yeah okay you look less

[00:17:57] than impressed no i it's interesting i just you know you're just like but it doesn't have anything

[00:18:02] to do it it's about the history of the time right so there's a lot happening in Babylon at the time

[00:18:12] and I just find that very interesting as relates to what we're reading sure and that's the tie-in

[00:18:19] I see okay you know all right do we do we tie it in or is it we just going over this stuff

[00:18:25] I'm just curious you know not really I mean no the the tie-in is that so this stuff really was

[00:18:31] happening over there okay and here's some other things that were happening in case somebody was

[00:18:35] waiting for the tie-in I just make sure there isn't one you can stop now okay you could

[00:18:39] stop listening right now okay I mean don't because it's still interesting stuff yeah right no

[00:18:44] it doesn't get back to like this is just always an interesting that's it you went down a rabbit hole

[00:18:48] I went down a rabbit lost in the rabbit hole I didn't get lost I know exactly where I am okay

[00:18:54] so the astronomical diaries yes okay they are also on clay tablets okay and they but they weren't

[00:19:00] just about stargazing okay so astronomy astrology whatever they weren't just about looking at the stars

[00:19:07] got it they tracked political happenings they made predictions based on those observations

[00:19:14] and they recorded everyday details like weather and green prices oh wow yeah so I mean it was like

[00:19:21] a newspaper right right like that's so cool yeah and today all of these records are housed in

[00:19:27] the British Museum huh okay so we could literally go see these tablets right you know what I mean

[00:19:34] yeah that's so cool to me yeah so going back to that king guy uh-huh whose name I've pronounced

[00:19:41] three different ways now and is not Nebuchadnezzar right the original king let's start with all this

[00:19:45] yes tracking stuff yes he gathered the records of his predecessors all of them and he destroyed them

[00:19:53] oh thus ensuring that the history of the Chaldean kings began with him

[00:20:00] how cool is that right yeah um I mean yeah right history is written by the by the winners yeah um just

[00:20:08] to kind of put in a time place of where he was one of his contemporaries uh was the Assyrian king

[00:20:17] Tigloth Pilsar which we talked about earlier okay he's one of those Sargon guys okay okay um

[00:20:24] he actually became a vassal under Tigloth Pilsar got it yeah okay at one point all right anyway

[00:20:33] now you know that there are clay tablets that talk about the Babylonian problems that we were

[00:20:41] seeing hinted at yeah the Bible there's a tie in but what problems were they um they were political

[00:20:49] they were stretched to thin they were got it um there was unrest they they had probably

[00:20:57] picked up a little more than they could handle and right um you know that's why all of those

[00:21:02] little nations were gathered together to be late now is our time let's strike by the fire's hot

[00:21:07] got it you know there's a crack in the structure let's get them got it got it and Jeremiah was like

[00:21:13] you're not though right right they're good like you're don't be foolish right you think you know

[00:21:20] a thing and you don't yeah so that was my little rabbit hole okay and why don't know that we

[00:21:27] can actually call that a Q and A for 26 through 30 but it is our Q and A through 26 to 30 so um

[00:21:35] hopefully you guys enjoyed the rabbit hole there and um well we did answer one question did we

[00:21:41] yeah were there um false prophets amongst those who are exiled to Babylon there you go the answer is

[00:21:48] yes okay were they really writing letters yes yes they were we answered two questions we

[00:21:53] answered two questions all right okay fair enough all right well that was our Q and A for today

[00:21:59] sure as fuck was and we will be back tomorrow on Sunday with

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[00:22:08] like you said you said it once a couple weeks did I was I impressed myself no you didn't even notice

[00:22:13] I think it's because you didn't overthink it but I noticed it because I love you got it so yeah

[00:22:18] we'll get the weekly wrap up out and then we'll be back on Monday with Isaiah chapter 3 no

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