Jeremiah Chapter 42: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:16] Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. I'm husband and I'm wife. Together we're reading the

[00:01:20] Bible for the very first time. We grew up without religion and wanted to know what all the fuss was

[00:01:25] about. Well, what do we learn so far? That God is a dick and apparently some people believe in

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[00:01:45] read the Bible. Yeah, let's get to it. Husband, wife, do you remember what happened yesterday and

[00:01:53] where the hell we are today? Well, we just had done reading Jeremiah chapter 41. Sure,

[00:01:58] it's fucked up. And in that chapter Jeremiah was conspicuously missing. He was absent. He was.

[00:02:06] But Gettelaya did end up getting murdered. By assassinated by a. Ishmael. Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:13] And Ishmael then proceeded to run back to the Ammonites and. Well, I mean he went on a murder

[00:02:19] spree first. Yes, yes, sorry. He tried to. No one actually knew for a few days and then he went

[00:02:24] on a murder spree. Then he ran back to the Ammonites. And I think the guy that originally warned

[00:02:29] that the Gettelaya. He was trying to pursue them but didn't catch them in time and they ended

[00:02:35] up making it back. And then that was the end of the wonderful Israelite. What could have been

[00:02:43] should have been. Yeah, right. Right. So they all the remnants kind of took off towards Egypt. They're

[00:02:48] like fuck this. We're out. Yeah. Because shit's going to go bad. Yep. So that was pretty much what

[00:02:55] happened in Jeremiah chapter 41. Oh, one more thing. The whole aspect of Jeremiah and not be like

[00:03:01] why did he stay? He's a prophet. Why did he stay with them if shit was just going to go south?

[00:03:08] Like what purpose did that serve? Where is this like per where is this pushing the the storyline

[00:03:15] forward other than yep, they almost made it again but then they didn't again. Right. Okay.

[00:03:20] Well, this chapter has some interesting things in it I think. Okay. All right. So anyway,

[00:03:26] that was Jeremiah chapter 41. Hold your questions till the end. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Which means that

[00:03:31] today we're getting into Jeremiah chapter 42. Oh, right. Let's do this. Okie dokie.

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[00:05:18] All right we are jumping into Jeremiah chapter 42 okay and as usual with Jeremiah I have a bit

[00:05:29] of a note before we hop into the chapter okay this chapter is part of a larger narrative that consists

[00:05:36] of chapters 37 through 44 got it okay so we're almost coming up to the end of this story

[00:05:43] got it okay so here we go Jeremiah chapter 42 now all the captains of the forces

[00:05:51] Johanon the son of Kareya Jizania the son of Hoshaya and all the people from the least to the

[00:05:58] greatest came near and said to Jeremiah the prophet so he was part of the remnant okay right

[00:06:06] yeah like oh by the by Jeremiah was there too right like even though we didn't mention him yeah he

[00:06:11] was there right okay so they said to him please let our petition be acceptable to you and pray for

[00:06:17] us to the Lord your God for all this remnant since we are left but a few of many as you can see

[00:06:25] if you believed in God wouldn't you say our God yes your God that is a note I was going to

[00:06:33] put out there that note how they phrased it yeah yeah pray to your God for us won't you well I mean

[00:06:39] if he's the only way if he's claiming that he's the only one that can talk to this God I would

[00:06:44] imagine that back then they're like well it's your God you're the one that's commune you're the one

[00:06:48] telling us he exists in this fashion right and you're the one saying that he is this way and obviously

[00:06:53] you've been right about a lot of things lately so it's your God we're gonna you know it you would think

[00:06:57] that but let's continue reading okay and and I think that we'll find that nope it actually was just

[00:07:03] Jeremiah's God oh okay yeah so anyway they're like would you mind praying to your God for us

[00:07:10] that the Lord your God may show us the way in which we should walk and the thing we should do

[00:07:16] okay okay so they're like hey what do you think your God thinks about this ask him what we

[00:07:20] should do now right this still also holds true with my theory about him being a double agent

[00:07:25] oh yeah because like if they were praying to his God what they really mean in code is what are the

[00:07:32] Babylonians want us to do now right yeah exactly then Jeremiah said to them I have heard indeed I

[00:07:40] will pray to the Lord your God according to your words and it shall be that whatever the Lord

[00:07:48] answers you I will declare it to you I will keep nothing back from you so he's like it's your God

[00:07:56] to ask all right and they're like is it the right so they said to Jeremiah let the Lord be a true

[00:08:03] and faithful witness between us if we do not do according to everything which the Lord your God

[00:08:09] sends us by you but they're like no no no no still your God yeah but but we promise to obey your God

[00:08:16] right Lord oh whether it is pleasing or displeasing we will obey the voice of the Lord our God

[00:08:24] against to whom we send you that it may be well with us when we obey the voice of the Lord our God

[00:08:32] so they're like they're taking some ownership here sure sure sure they are and it happened after

[00:08:37] 10 days that the word so he took 10 days to pray okay yeah that the Lord the word of the Lord

[00:08:44] came to Jeremiah okay so he went away to pray and then 10 days later came back because it took

[00:08:50] that long for God like God wasn't just that Jeremiah's beck and call sounds to me like God really

[00:08:55] through Jeremiah for a loop here he's like I thought we were just gonna stay in Israel and like

[00:09:00] everything was gonna be cool and then shit went south and now I don't know what to do so I can

[00:09:04] need to think on this I need to think on this is my opinions and and maybe it took him 10 days to

[00:09:09] get in touch with his people they have a lonely they're running he's got a few out of a

[00:09:14] lot sir what I'm so the zoo now guys right so anyway but so he's like yeah I'm done praying so then

[00:09:21] he called Johan and the son of Kareya all the captains of the forces which were with him

[00:09:26] and all the people from the least even to the greatest and he said to them thus says the Lord

[00:09:32] the God of Israel to whom you sent me to present your petition before him if you will still remain

[00:09:40] in this land then I will build you and not pull you down and I will plant you and not pluck you up

[00:09:48] for I relent concerning the disasters that I have brought upon you wait wait wait wait and in some

[00:09:54] translations it says I repent in the Septuagint as a matter of fact huh and some of the other earliest

[00:10:01] translation it says for I repent God returning the disaster that I have brought upon you and okay but

[00:10:10] they're gonna stay in Israel still I don't know let's see what they decide to do I'm a little confused

[00:10:16] now because I thought that was like we talked about at the last time if that was the true end of

[00:10:21] the occupation in Israel so let's hear what okay all right Jeremiah is not done talking yeah

[00:10:26] the God is speaking do not be afraid of the king of Babylon of whom you are afraid do not be afraid

[00:10:33] of him says the Lord for I am with you to save you and deliver you from his hand and I will show you

[00:10:39] mercy that he may have mercy on you and cause you to return to your own land okay but if you say we

[00:10:49] will not dwell in this land disobeying the voice of the Lord your God saying no but we'll go to the

[00:10:57] land of Egypt where we shall see no war nor hear the sound of the trumpet nor be hungry for bread

[00:11:02] and there we will dwell then here now the word of the Lord O'remment of Judah thus says the Lord

[00:11:13] of hosts the God of Israel if you holy set your faces to enter Egypt and go to dwell there then it

[00:11:19] shall be that the sword which you feared shall overtake you there in the land of Egypt the famine

[00:11:26] of which you were afraid shall follow close after you there in Egypt and there you shall die so shall

[00:11:34] be with all the men who set their faces to go to Egypt to dwell there they shall die by the sword

[00:11:40] by famine and by pestilence so I'm guessing I'm guessing that they're going to choose Egypt even though

[00:11:44] Jeremiah is telling them don't right because even though they said they would do whatever I think

[00:11:50] that they probably assumed like a lot of the apologists that were talking about this their notes all

[00:11:56] were like they were asking and lying and they were you know hypocrites and blah blah blah and I'm

[00:12:04] like no you know what I think that they saw two situations Egypt looks great um Judah just got

[00:12:11] torn a sunder I think they were like yeah totally we'll do whatever God tells us because obviously

[00:12:17] he's going to tell us to go to Egypt duh right yeah I think that they were looking for like you

[00:12:22] know prayer and things like that that they would do to appease this God to make him happy right like

[00:12:28] going back into the fucking pray yeah yeah I don't think that they were hypocrites or liars I don't think

[00:12:35] that they went into this intent like they went into this with their heart already set I don't think

[00:12:41] that that is necessary I think that they went in with the understanding that the course of action

[00:12:49] that makes the best sense is obviously what God is gonna choose they had no idea that Egypt was probably

[00:12:56] on its way to get torn down as well I'm gonna throw one more thing out here too because Jeremiah had

[00:13:01] told them that if they gave themselves over to the Babylonians initially right that they would be good

[00:13:07] and everything would be fine right but then some this is real light from some other land

[00:13:12] besides he wants vengeance on you know get a liar and so he fucks everything up right so it wasn't

[00:13:19] even like he was he was in cahoots this other guy um ish male wasn't cahoots with the amonites he wasn't

[00:13:25] even part of this group he was just trying to take advantage of the situation yeah and whatever right

[00:13:31] yeah but these Israelites that decided to stay they were like um okay yeah we're gonna make a go

[00:13:36] of it yeah yeah yeah they were good with that and so they they were listening to Jeremiah right

[00:13:41] they turned themselves over to Babylon and they were like okay we're gonna make a go of this

[00:13:46] and it didn't work out right his Jeremiah's prophecy did not work out right and then they're

[00:13:52] like running away from the situation because it's bad right things things are going south

[00:13:57] like dudes we just got murdered I'm not going back to murder land we didn't even catch the guy

[00:14:01] that murdered us all like he's still over there like what makes you think if we go back things

[00:14:06] are gonna be better because you told us things were gonna be better the first time yeah so like no

[00:14:10] we're going to Egypt but like how can we make your God happy with that in mind or you know hey we're

[00:14:17] going to Egypt right God and then God's like no and they're like wait what what's his hang up on

[00:14:23] Egypt anyway it's not like they're any worse than Babylon is it because that's not their land

[00:14:27] and because that's where God delivered them from it's a slapping God's little pride dick uh yeah

[00:14:33] you know I guess that could be the case yeah his little hurt feelings right you know because he's got

[00:14:38] a little pp right I'm just I'm just I want to point out though that Jeremiah was basically not right

[00:14:45] kind of yeah in my opinion in my opinion and I know I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about

[00:14:50] and there's lots of scholars that have better apologies than I do so yeah whatever

[00:14:55] I'm I'm just saying they were looking on this run then with frowny faces I'm looking on them

[00:15:01] with my guys they've been through war this is this is the people that were actually just um

[00:15:08] they were the poorest of the poor yeah we're running the land you know right and they're just trying

[00:15:13] to live I don't think that they were evil or not evil I think they were just trying to survive

[00:15:18] right and making the best choices that were given to them at the time and now you're telling me

[00:15:23] that God's gonna take this the poorest of them the worst of them the most beat down of them

[00:15:27] mm-hmm and fuck them over again right exactly nice guy so God says and none of them shall remain

[00:15:34] or escape from the disaster that I will bring upon them but thus says the Lord of hosts the God

[00:15:39] of Israel as my anger and my fury have been poured out on the inhabitants of Jerusalem so will

[00:15:46] my fury be poured out on you when you enter Egypt you shall be an oath an astonishment occurs

[00:15:53] and a reproach it sounds like to me though that what really needed to happen was Babylon needed some

[00:15:58] slaves to run the land of Israel mm-hmm and and Jeremiah was like I'm tight hold on my gittems from

[00:16:04] slaves yeah and so he's trying to scare him into that but they're like now we're still one to

[00:16:08] Egypt yeah like we don't want to be slaves right we're gonna be slaves we're gonna go be slaves for

[00:16:13] each we're gonna choose yeah we're gonna make the choice to go over here like from what I heard it

[00:16:17] wasn't really that bad over in Egypt and yeah we were slaves but you know we we had not too bad

[00:16:24] yeah it wasn't too shabby over there right and you know they aren't like war torn and you're

[00:16:31] not gonna go without water and food yeah Babylon's not gonna go conquer them right so like no

[00:16:36] thanks right and you shall see this place no more says God I mean I think they probably already have

[00:16:43] an inkling of that though right like yeah no shit you think the Lord has said concerning you

[00:16:50] O Revenant of Judah do not go to Egypt no certainly that I have admonished you this day for you were

[00:16:57] hypocrites in your hearts when you sent me to the Lord your God saying pain for us to the Lord our

[00:17:03] God and according to all that the Lord your God said so declared to us and we will do it

[00:17:08] and I have this day declared it to you but you have not obeyed the voice of the Lord your God

[00:17:14] or anything which he has sent you by me now I'm sorry you took 10 days to figure this shit out

[00:17:20] Jeremiah yeah where were you that whole time yeah I'm sorry I don't believe you yeah I think you were

[00:17:26] I might think that you don't exactly know what you're talking about if it took you 10 days to get

[00:17:30] word back from God well it's not here's the thing if you are a Bible-y God believer uh-huh

[00:17:36] then it wasn't that it took Jeremiah 10 days it was that it took God 10 days because he had to prove

[00:17:43] that he's not a Jeremiah's back in call so he took his dear sweet card God's got like five people

[00:17:48] left at this point so I mean yeah with what the fucks he doing well I'm just I'm telling you

[00:17:54] what they would say and you know it depends like are we in canon or aren't we in canon it took

[00:18:00] God 10 days not Jeremiah yeah okay now outside of canon me and you reading this as it is on the page

[00:18:08] yeah he Jeremiah took 10 days right sounds like he took a hike back to the fucking you know

[00:18:14] front lines of the other people to meet his handler yeah so um now therefore no certainly this

[00:18:21] is Jeremiah speaking yeah that you shall die by the sword by famine and by pestilence in the place

[00:18:26] where you desire to go to dwell he ends wow I'm not I'm not excited about this I mean I my feeling

[00:18:36] and and and I might be wrong about this but my feeling is that we only have uh let's see this

[00:18:41] is chapter 42 so we only have two more chapters left of this little bit yeah right my feeling is

[00:18:47] that we're not going to see God take his actual vengeance on these people because there's not

[00:18:52] enough time maybe but there's still more chapters of Jeremiah after this narrative end true true

[00:19:00] true but I'm just I don't know I that that is it's still to me sounds like Jeremiah's a fucking spy

[00:19:10] yeah like it still sounds like he's trying to coerce these people into being slaves for Babylon

[00:19:16] like it there's there's nothing here that makes me feel like this is a prophecy of any type it

[00:19:21] just feels like he is on Babylon side and trying to coerce these people to you know easily join Babylon

[00:19:27] to become slaves or whatever and that would answer our question last time which was why did Jeremiah

[00:19:34] turn down going back to Babylon where he would be treated well rather than what he chose was to stay

[00:19:43] in this war torn land I think he was thinking he was going to be a big fish and a little ponds

[00:19:48] sure and that that would serve him better than going yes he would be well treated but he'd be

[00:19:54] a small fish in a big pond right and I think that he stayed behind because he was like I can get

[00:20:02] something out of this he felt you have influence and he'd have you know things he could leadership

[00:20:07] position yeah yeah right like I will be the prophet of Jerusalem you know right and honestly

[00:20:14] I feel like he was kind of left out of the last chapter chapter 41 because shit went wrong right yeah

[00:20:19] this is where this is where his prophecy didn't hold true or they did the thing that they asked

[00:20:24] that God asked right they they gave themselves over to the Babylonians and yet stuff still went south

[00:20:31] and so they were like let's just not put him in the chapter so everybody kind of forgets that

[00:20:36] that happened yeah so I I am forever going to believe that Jeremiah is just a double agent spy

[00:20:42] type person for that whole double agent that is where I'm at with this whole thing yep not necessarily

[00:20:47] a bad guy but sure no no good guy yeah and I've said this before like you know he there's there's

[00:20:53] political and military things that happened all the time back in ancient times that were dangerous

[00:21:00] to people and like they could just as easily have killed them all right but it's he if he's working

[00:21:08] to get his people to give themselves up he may be doing so because he thinks that the best thing

[00:21:13] for them is to not get killed right and like he's like if you if you don't do this you're all going

[00:21:19] to fucking die right so he could be doing this out of mercy for his own people but at the same time

[00:21:27] he's still doing it right and he's trying to pretend like he's not he's trying to pretend like this

[00:21:32] is God mm-hmm and I don't feel like that's the case I feel like that's the way he's writing it so

[00:21:36] that it has some some merit to it to the people that he's talking to but I don't think that's what's

[00:21:42] actually going on what I find interesting too is that all of this is supposed to have been written by

[00:21:47] Baruch yeah we've not had word one mention of him well in the last several chapters what we read

[00:21:54] what you told us early on was that it was written by either Jeremiah or Baruch so there was but then he

[00:22:00] told Baruch write this shit down that was during a certain section yeah but it's possible that

[00:22:06] Baruch maybe went on to Babylon or something else like I mean no I'm pretty sure he's still there

[00:22:11] okay all right I'm pretty sure like I haven't read ahead or anything but from what I understand

[00:22:16] they were like real tight the whole time okay so I just find it interesting that he's supposed

[00:22:23] to be at least editing these words if not writing them himself sure and we're not hearing about him

[00:22:30] so I wonder if he is maybe Jeremiah's foot man you know like yeah I'm gonna hide out in this tent

[00:22:37] for 10 days you go run the fuck over to or handler and find out what they want because they these

[00:22:46] folks are about to go to Egypt and I need to try to sway them not to right if that's what Babylon

[00:22:51] wants I don't know run yeah no and that's the way I view most of these religious prophets back

[00:22:59] then as they were political actors and that's the way it comes across even like if you read it

[00:23:04] if you read it from that point of view you can definitely take that from this sure and I enjoy that

[00:23:10] idea way more than the idea that there's a god speaking to these fuckers yeah so because that makes

[00:23:16] that actually makes sense right you know so that's that's why I enjoy it I think yeah but

[00:23:22] anyway that was Jeremiah chapter 42 sure spark was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with

[00:23:28] Jeremiah chapter 43 all right we'll see you then bye

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